Mormonism

[Lyric's Dad]

Did you have anything specific in mind in regard to the words I said - that prompted your comment?

I can answer that fairly easily for you. Its the result namelessly introducing cultic doctrines into a discussion. For example, lets take a look at a few things here.

[quote:791c1]Hell is not even a real concept but a faulty translation.

Because of the distortions of men and faulty translations of the Bible.

And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.

Notice any patterns here? We have clear Mormon doctrines along with a passage from the Book of Mormon itself. So what do we have? We have a Mormon who's slipped in among us and is trying to debate in a Christian Apologetics forum despite the fact that he apparently has no confidence in God's Word to begin with.[/quote:791c1]LOL!

No, I didn't slip in. Anyone is welcome to join regardless of their belief system.

No confidence in God's word? Hardly. I love the words of the Lord. All of them. I also believe Him when He speaks and don't relegate Him to changes that fit my personal creed. I take His word for things and when He says He is the same today, yesterday and forever, I believe Him. Do you?

I believe Him when He tells me He does things only through His Prophets. I believe the Bible when it says that the Church will have Apostles and Prophets. I believe Him when He says He sent His Son to die for me. Of course you are going to have to try and deride that. I don't expect anything other then that.

But the fact is that I have not once tried to preach the LDS faith. I have not once posted a reference or taught anything that contradicts the Bible. But still you feel the need to try and attack. That is what we have come to expect. Remember, you are the one that brought up the LDS Church here, not me. I don't deny that I am LDS. So what?

My signature does not say anything about the Book of Mormon. It does not give a reference. Can you tell me what in that signature contradicts anything Christian? Or is it just that you don't like the Book of Mormon? You and Gary are the only ones who had any idea where it came from. Had you not stated it, it would have just remained a signature and one that is very Christian at that. One that reflects a sentiment that should be on all of our hearts. One that is loving and looks to the betterment of our own children through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ alone. It only became an issue once you realized where it came from. Until then, it was not a problem. After all, it has been there for quite some time now. So, if it is not promoting an ideal that is un-Christian, what is the problem? If I were to quote a book by some author that stated something you don't agree with, would that too make it against the rules?

Or is it, Scott, that you have an obvious bone to pick and are trying desperately to find something to get me with? I think we both know the answer to that one.

I find it funny that the same rhetoric is being used all these years later. I wonder what you would have done at cathage jail....... No, wait, I don't wonder.

 

[Gary]

Can the leopard change his spots?....

...But the fact is that I have not once tried to preach the LDS faith. I have not once posted a reference or taught anything that contradicts the Bible. But still you feel the need to try and attack. That is what we have come to expect. Remember, you are the one that brought up the LDS Church here, not me. I don't deny that I am LDS. So what?

My signature does not say anything about the Book of Mormon. It does not give a reference.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 906#243906

Of course you did not give a reference. You wanted to hide that the quote are the words of a Book of Mormons prophet (2 Nephi 25:26) :evil: :evil:

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
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You have previously stated: (Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:44 am)

I was a mormon for many years. I was married in the temple and performed many of the rituals for dead people. I baptized and confirmed others in the temple for the dead also. I was an elder and held offices such as ward mission leader, stake missionary, and executive secretary to the bishopbric. God was faithful to call me out and He used some of the literature that the mormons are told to never read to start me on this path.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 129#195129

Matthew 7:14-16 ...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Can the leopard change his spots?....

...But the fact is that I have not once tried to preach the LDS faith. I have not once posted a reference or taught anything that contradicts the Bible. But still you feel the need to try and attack. That is what we have come to expect. Remember, you are the one that brought up the LDS Church here, not me. I don't deny that I am LDS. So what?

My signature does not say anything about the Book of Mormon. It does not give a reference.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 906#243906

Of course you did not give a reference. You wanted to hide that the quote are the words of a Book of Mormons prophet (2 Nephi 25:26) :evil: :evil:

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than mainstream Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Debates of these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This is a Christian Forums as the name suggest. If you cannot abide with this, please do not use our site.

You have previously stated: (Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:44 am)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 129#195129[/url]

Matthew 7:14-16 ...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

[/quote:a9e40]Yep Gary, I did leave for a while. I was wrong. Now, I don't think this thread is concerning my LDS faith so why don't we get back on topic. If you would like to discuss me personally, send me a p.m. I would have no problem discussing the situation with you.

The open forum is not the place for personal discussions.

 

[Gary]

Can the leopard change his spots?....

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 906#243906[/url]

Of course you did not give a reference. You wanted to hide that the quote are the words of a Book of Mormons prophet (2 Nephi 25:26) :evil: :evil:

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than mainstream Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Debates of these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This is a Christian Forums as the name suggest. If you cannot abide with this, please do not use our site.

You have previously stated: (Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:44 am)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 129#195129[/url]

Matthew 7:14-16 ...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

[/quote:6b438]Yep Gary, I did leave for a while. I was wrong. Now, I don't think this thread is concerning my LDS faith so why don't we get back on topic. If you would like to discuss me personally, send me a p.m. I would have no problem discussing the situation with you.

The open forum is not the place for personal discussions.[/quote:6b438]

Last time you were exposed:

(1) You were a Mod and issued me with an official warning because I PMed a response to your PM. You unfairly used your Mod privileges to try and silence me. It backfired.

(2) While still a Mod and exposed for promoting Universalism, you had to retract a post and because of that, you deleted 3 or 4 of my other posts in another section.

Since that time, you have lost your Mod status.

Why would I PM you?

Again, you have been found out.

:-?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Can the leopard change his spots?....

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 906#243906[/url]

Of course you did not give a reference. You wanted to hide that the quote are the words of a Book of Mormons prophet (2 Nephi 25:26) :evil: :evil:

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than mainstream Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Debates of these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This is a Christian Forums as the name suggest. If you cannot abide with this, please do not use our site.

You have previously stated: (Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:44 am)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 129#195129[/url]

Matthew 7:14-16 ...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Yep Gary, I did leave for a while. I was wrong. Now, I don't think this thread is concerning my LDS faith so why don't we get back on topic. If you would like to discuss me personally, send me a p.m. I would have no problem discussing the situation with you.

The open forum is not the place for personal discussions.[/quote:94692]

Last time you were exposed:

(1) You were a Mod and issued me with an official warning because I PMed a response to your PM. You unfairly used your Mod privileges to try and silence me. It backfired.

(2) While still a Mod and exposed for promoting Universalism, you had to retract a post and because of that, you deleted 3 or 4 of my other posts in another section.

Since that time, you have lost your Mod status.

Why would I PM you?

Again, you have been found out.

:-?[/quote:94692]LOL! Yes, you have a distorted view of what happened entirely but that is par for the course on how you do things all day long.

And I did not lose my mod status. I hung it up. I will not be part of something when being such means you adhere to a set statement of belief.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Can the leopard change his spots?....

...But the fact is that I have not once tried to preach the LDS faith. I have not once posted a reference or taught anything that contradicts the Bible. But still you feel the need to try and attack. That is what we have come to expect. Remember, you are the one that brought up the LDS Church here, not me. I don't deny that I am LDS. So what?

My signature does not say anything about the Book of Mormon. It does not give a reference.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 906#243906

Of course you did not give a reference. You wanted to hide that the quote are the words of a Book of Mormons prophet (2 Nephi 25:26) :evil: :evil:

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than mainstream Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Debates of these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This is a Christian Forums as the name suggest. If you cannot abide with this, please do not use our site.

You have previously stated: (Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:44 am)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 129#195129[/url]

Matthew 7:14-16 ...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

[/quote:14046]Oh, and in follow up Gary, since you seem to believe that I was lying when I stated that I had left the LDS faith, as dumb as that decision was, and refuse to take this off the public board.

I will be being re-baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints this Sunday at 4:00.

Yep, I really did leave. But I am correcting that mistake.

Thanks for your concern though.

I truly appreciate it.

 

[Gary]

.. so you are back to a "creed" church... exactly what you have spoken out against so many times. Very ironic but not unexpected.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

.. so you are back to a "creed" church... exactly what you have spoken out against so many times. Very ironic but not unexpected.

Nope. No creeds here. Just truth. That is all I seek.

Thanks for your concern though. It is truly nice to know you are thinking of me.

 

[Gary]

Yeah, right... LDS have no creed! And a leopard has no spots.

:wink:

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Yeah, right... LDS have no creed! And a leopard has no spots.

:wink:

Well, why don't you start a thread on it and we can discuss it. Otherwise, it would probably be the right thing for us both to stop hijacking this thread.

 

[stovebolts]

As much as I struggle not to bite into this thead...

Both you children chew at each other in a different thread.

I am amazed at how the two of you can carry on, it's just plain selfish and stingy on both your parts. Grow up.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

As much as I struggle not to bite into this thead...

Both you children chew at each other in a different thread.

I am amazed at how the two of you can carry on, it's just plain selfish and stingy on both your parts. Grow up.

You are more then correct on that and I apologize. That is why I chose to ask this be taken to a different thread or to pm but I could also have just not bitten at all.

My apologies to anyone who had to deal with it.

 

[stovebolts]

Thank you for having the courage to apologise Lyric's Dad. It takes more to admit that you messed up, than it is to justify a mistake.

God Bless you LD

Jeff

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Thank you for having the courage to apologise Lyric's Dad. It takes more to admit that you messed up, than it is to justify a mistake.

God Bless you LD

Jeff

And you too Stove.

 

[mutzrein]

Fascinating just reading through this thread. Goodness - I learned some things today and not just the things that were spoken (typed).

LD - truth will win out in the end. No matter what my perspective or yours or anyone elses - its stands alone. We cannot change it, manipulate or erase it. And if God has placed within you, as he has placed within me, a passion for Truth, then the Truth will set you free.

Regards

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Fascinating just reading through this thread. Goodness - I learned some things today and not just the things that were spoken (typed).

LD - truth will win out in the end. No matter what my perspective or yours or anyone elses - its stands alone. We cannot change it, manipulate or erase it. And if God has placed within you, as he has placed within me, a passion for Truth, then the Truth will set you free.

Regards

I think that is one of the wisest posts I have seen in quite some time.

 

[Soma-Sight]

How are Mormons "another religion"?

Technically they are a SECT of Christianity no?

Mormon is a colloquial term used to refer to members of most of the sects of the Latter Day Saint movement, a CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS movement which began in the 1830s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon

 

[Gary]

How are Mormons "another religion"?

Technically they are a SECT of Christianity no?

Mormon is a colloquial term used to refer to members of most of the sects of the Latter Day Saint movement, a CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS movement which began in the 1830s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon

"Is Mormonism Christian?" is a very important question. The answer is equally important and simple. No. Mormonism is not Christian.

http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_christian.htm

Note: Lyric's Dad admitted that the site I have quoted is very good!!!

Here is the exchange:

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:23 pm
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 518#198518

Hi Lyric's Dad

I always enjoy your posts and you very obviously have lots you can teach us about the Mormon beliefs.

I was wondering.... from your knowledge and experience, how accurate is the CARM (Matthew J. Slick) description of Mormonism?
http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm

Matthew says "I began studying cults in 1980 starting with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses..." so I have always assumed that he knows a lot.
http://www.carm.org/index/aboutcarm.htm

What are your thoughts about his work exposing Mormonism?

Kind regards
Gary

.....and his response.....

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:06 am
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 558#198558

CARM is an excellent resource. The problems you will find with mormonism and pinning down doctrine is that it is constantly changing. What was doctrine years ago (men on the moon, mary and God having sex, Adam being God, etc. etc. etc.) today is referred to as merely a mans opinion. CARM does a great job of presenting the facts as they have been given over the years and not dealing with the progressive aspect of the church too much.

:-D

Known as "shooting yourself in the foot"....

Read on: http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm

:wink:

 

[protos]

Oh, and in follow up Gary, since you seem to believe that I was lying when I stated that I had left the LDS faith, as dumb as that decision was, and refuse to take this off the public board.

I will be being re-baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints this Sunday at 4:00.

Yep, I really did leave. But I am correcting that mistake.

You were never a christian. You were a CINO, Christian in name only. You are what Paul said, "a man blown by the wind of every doctrine." Reason is God's 3rd greatest gift. I suggest you use it.

 

[Soma-Sight]

You were never a christian. You were a CINO, Christian in name only. You are what Paul said, "a man blown by the wind of every doctrine." Reason is God's 3rd greatest gift. I suggest you use it.

Do you play Starcraft protos?

That exclusivistic thinking sounds very Zergish to me.....