Mormonism

[protos]

Do you play Starcraft protos?

I did in the past and that was why I chose the name back in the day when I was an evolutionist - it sounded cool... Now I chose it to spite it.

That exclusivistic thinking sounds very Zergish to me.....

What do you mean by that?

 

[Soma-Sight]

What do you mean by that?

Dude if you played starcraft you know the Zerg are a very good representation of a genocidal type Bible OT nation.

 

[Just a thought...]

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:06 am
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 558#198558

CARM is an excellent resource. The problems you will find with mormonism and pinning down doctrine is that it is constantly changing. What was doctrine years ago (men on the moon, mary and God having sex, Adam being God, etc. etc. etc.) today is referred to as merely a mans opinion. CARM does a great job of presenting the facts as they have been given over the years and not dealing with the progressive aspect of the church too much.

:-D

Known as "shooting yourself in the foot"....

Read on: http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm

:wink:[/quote]

Lyrics Dad, if you're still around, I'm curious about the churches stand on our "god" not being the only god, but the only god with whom we need be concerned, as well as the idea that we can all be gods equally as great and powerful as he if our lives here on earth so justify? It seems to me this falls into the same category as "the progressive aspects of the church...that are merely mans opinion" and not actual church doctrine? I ask because I wrote a short paper 6 months ago, using as my primary source a practicing LDS missionary here in South America. He shared with me several of the beliefs as doctrine, not maybes or once-saids, and yet you seem to say the official church position disagrees?

Can you clarify for me, please?

 

[Henry]

Even when mormonism is examined by their own litterature they say "how accurate is that"

The bottom line here that a mormon man thinks he will someday be a god and that god himself was once a man. If that was all the difference, that would be more then enough.

O I said god and not God becuase the little g means a false god.

 

[Just a thought...]

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the graceof Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion adn are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Galatians 1:6-9

No, it seems to me that Paul has pretty much covered the Mormon doctrine right here, down to the details of how the doctrine might come about (an angel from heaven-Moroni, his father, etc...)

After all, legend has it that after Jesus had been crucified he went to the desert and found the original "Mormon" who he then sent to the Americas. But then, this would be contradictory to Paul's words, and thus contradictory to the Bible, making the Book of Mormon not "another testament" of Christ, but a different one, and thus, exactly what Paul warned us against.

I'm sure Lyric's Dad can rationalize and clarify this for us if he rejoins, although this all seems pretty clear to me.

Let's all keep in mind, though, that when Lyric's Dad left the "church" he likely also left his family, as his wife and children would have turned their backs on him for abandoning the Mormon faith. It is not uncommon for families to fall apart because one of the parents sees through the Mormon shroud and leaves the church, and in so doing their children, who have been raised in the church, and their still-believing spouse, are so confused its as if they don't even know this family member anymore. It's brainwashing at its finest. This may have been the deciding factor in his rejoining the church...if so, Lyric's Dad needs our prayers a lot more than he needs our antagonism.

 

[jgredline]

simply put
http://www.allaboutcults.org/what-do-mo ... elieve.htm

 

[reyjamiei]

• Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
  
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The problem with this thread is that no one from the LDS Church can accurately answer the questions being asked or defend their faith against the charges being made because in doing so they would be promoting "non-mainstream Christianity," thereby breaking rule #8.

 

[christian_soldier]

Book of the Dead

Hello.

This thread seems to be a personal battle between two individuals, and there may be a better place for this observation.

The Mormon doctrines appear to be woven from whole cloth.

Now that the lost Book of Abraham, purported to have been translated by Joseph Smith from Egyptian Papyri, has been found to be funerary material from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, there seems to be even less credence for the basis of Mormons beliefs than ever before.

See: By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri



Food for thought.

Blessings.

 

[Rick W]

How are Mormons "another religion"?

Technically they are a SECT of Christianity no?

Not really. Nor are they recognised as such by mainstream christian denominations.
A while back Gordon B. Hinckley admitted that the LDS Church does not believe in the traditional Christ but a different Christ. There are many differences between Jesus of the LDS church and that of traditional Christianity. They are not one and the same as the Mormon prophet points out.

 

[waitinontheLamb]

I need to offer up an apology to everyone on this board and especially to a few, namely BB, Scott, Solo, Gary, and any others who I accosted.

I was here before under the name of Lyric's Dad. Yes, I did fall for the ploys of the mormon cult and the false teachings of UR and in doing so, I pushed everyone away. I am unsure why but what I have gathered is that sometimes we attribute feelings and thoughts to God when the reality is that we have His Word before us and He will never contradict it. The trip into UR was what made falling back into mormonism so much easier. The bottom line is that I took my eyes off of Jesus and tripped and fell.

The words of a song by Jeremy Camp are;

"The only way your falling down is when your looking everywhere."

This has become my motto.

I have removed my name from the mormon church. I have re-dedicated myself to Jesus and Jesus alone and entered the waters of baptism to proclaim that trust in Jesus to the world.

When I was here, I attacked those who really were trying to help me. I got myself in a corner and acted like a wild animal. I am so very sorry. I would like to know from the board if my being here is okay with them. I understand if there are some who would say no. I have already contacted Judy and she knows who I am and has welcomed me. I will not though post further unless the board is okay with my doing so.

Thanks for your ear and please know that I am sorry.

 

[christian_soldier]

Praise the Lord!

waitinontheLamb -

Praise God and welcome back to the Body of Christ. I'm not familiar with your past and can't speak for this forum.

I would appreciate knowing what turned you around and how we might reach other Mormons. There are souls at stake and lots of them. Please post your personal experiences at Mormons as well as here.

Others are welcome to chime in at that location as well.

Blessings all around.

 

[Rick W]

Galatians 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Galatians 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

Praise God the Almighty!

Welcome waitinontheLamb. :smt006

 

[Free]

Welcome back! :D

 

[Jon-Marc]

A question for anyone who KNOWS. I've always heard that Mormons believe that Jesus and satan are brothers. Is that true or not? If they believe that then they can't possibly be saved.

 

[Rick W]

I have the book "Mormon Doctrine" by Bruce R McConkie.

NOT anti-Mormon literature but written as a guide for Mormon instruction.
Here's a scan.

Under the heading "DEVIL"

The devil (literally meaning slander) is a spirit son of God who was born in the morning of pre-existence.

 

[waitinontheLamb]

Yes, the mormon church believes that both Jesus and Lucifer were spirit children of God and one of His wives, making them brothers. They believe that both of them put forth a plan to God to save mankind and Jesus's was accepted which resulted in Lucifer leading a rebellion.

 

[christian_soldier]

A question for anyone who KNOWS. I've always heard that Mormons believe that Jesus and satan are brothers. Is that true or not? If they believe that then they can't possibly be saved.

There are some 11 Million lost souls in the Mormon population.

The question is, how do we reach them with the Truth?

 

[Rick W]

The question is, how do we reach them with the Truth?

Debate won't do it.
But by witnessing to the genuine freedom from man's rules, regulations and ordinances through the love of Christ that we enjoy we can show them what we have that they don't. That and displaying with much confidence that through that love we know we are saved already thereby our joy in the Lord.

Mormonism is a culture no matter what one thinks of the religion itself. By shunning mormonism the average mormon stands to lose family, friends and in some cases even their job. Most of us didn't have to do go through that. Think about it. Being disowned from one's own family is not a prospect many of us have had to consider.

Most social events in a mormon's life centers around the LDS church and it's established activities. Most of the mormon churches are built with basketball courts set apart from the main sanctuary that doubles as an area for almost any social gathering or church function. These are equipped with folding tables, chairs and a fully functional kitchen prepared for any occasion. Families can also use these areas by permission and reservation for private activities if they so desire. These churches act as community centers and it's taught to remain with that church not going to others outside one's neighborhood.

Turning from mormonism can isolate you from the entire community.

 

[D46]

Turning from mormonism can isolate you from the entire community.

This may seem to be the case. However, turning from Mormonism can gain one passage into the portals of glory for an eternity which is a much better choice.

 

[Rick W]

This may seem to be the case. However, turning from Mormonism can gain one passage into the portals of glory for an eternity which is a much better choice.

Agreed. Yet, quite often those that turn from mormonism are so disgusted with the whole thing they don't even want to hear anything else pertaining to "religion".