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Muslim Comment Gets Jaun Williams Fired

Lewis

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I Lewis would get nervous if I saw a Muslim in full garb get on a plane too. I think his former boss who fired him, should be fired. She has stepped way out of line. You can see the video of what he said here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAfGKVK8PyE




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Ousted NPR analyst Juan Williams said Friday that he believes his former employer had been looking for a reason to fire him and used comments he made this week about Muslim airline passengers as an excuse to do so. Meanwhile, a U.S. senator said he would start the ball rolling to cut federal funding to the network.
Muslim groups were outraged by Williams' comments Monday on Fox News that he gets nervous when he sees people in Muslim dress on planes. But Williams' firing two days later prompted complaints by conservatives and even some liberals that NPR went too far.
Williams said Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America" that he believes NPR had wanted to fire him for some time because they disapproved of his appearances on shows by his other employer, Fox News. Opinions Williams expressed on Fox News over the years had strained his relationship with NPR to the point that the public radio network asked him to stop using its name when he appeared on Bill O'Reilly's show.
"I think they were looking for a reason to get rid of me," he said Friday. "They were uncomfortable with the idea that I was talking to the likes of Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity." Hannity hosts another Fox show.
Discussing the decision to fire Williams, NPR CEO Vivian Schiller said Thursday that controversial opinions should not come from NPR reporters or news analysts. Still, NPR was soundly criticized for axing Williams' contract for the interview in which he also said it is important to distinguish moderate Muslims from extremists.
In response to the firing, South Carolina Republican U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint announced Friday that he will introduce legislation to end federal funding for public radio and television.
"These programs should be able to find a way to stand on their own," he said in a statement. "With record debt and unemployment, there's simply no reason to force taxpayers to subsidize a liberal programming they disagree with."
In June, Colorado Republican U.S. Rep. Doug Lamborn introduced similar legislation in the House to cut funding after fiscal year 2012.
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting — which distributes federal funds to NPR, PBS and local stations — did not immediately respond to a call requesting comment Friday. Similar proposals to end taxpayer support for public broadcasting in the 1990s were not successful under then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
Federal grants provide less than 2 percent — or $3.3 million — of NPR's $166 million annual budget. It is funded primarily by its affiliates, corporate sponsors and major donors. Federal funding of public media has long been questioned by some in Congress.
Schiller said Thursday that Williams had veered from journalistic ethics several times before Monday's comments.
The remarks that led to Williams' firing came during an episode of "The O'Reilly Factor."
"I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country," Williams said Monday. "But when I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
Schiller said Thursday that whatever feelings Williams has about Muslims should be between him and "his psychiatrist or his publicist — take your pick." In a post later on NPR's website — where comments were heavily against Williams' firing — she apologized for making the "thoughtless" psychiatrist remark.
On ABC, Williams said Schiller made a personal attack against him because she had a weak argument to justify his firing.
"I think it's a very weak case," he said Friday, adding that he doesn't have a psychiatrist. "And so ultimately I think what she had to do then is to make it an ad hominem or personal attack."
On his Thursday broadcast, O'Reilly blasted NPR for what he called "a disgraceful decision" and called on Schiller to resign.
"Ms. Schiller is a pinhead," said O'Reilly.
Fox announced it had re-signed Williams, who has been with the network since 1997, to a multiyear deal that will give him an expanded role — and that Williams will host O'Reilly's show on Friday.
In a memo to her staff and affiliate stations, Schiller said the comments violated NPR's code of ethics, which says journalists should not participate in media "that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis."
Williams made the comments at issue while discussing whether O'Reilly was wrong to have said "Muslims killed us on 9/11" during an appearance last week on ABC's "The View." O'Reilly's comment prompted co-hosts Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar to walk off the set, but Goldberg defended Williams on Thursday.
"The point he was trying to say is, 'I get nervous,' and that's OK," Goldberg said. "Firing him for saying that, I think, is kind of ridiculous."
Republicans denounced NPR's decision. Gingrich told Fox News that Congress should investigate NPR for censorship and consider cutting off its public funding.
"Juan Williams: Going Rogue," former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said Thursday in a Twitter message. "NPR should receive NO fed tax dollars if it operates as intolerant, private radio. Mr. President, what say you?"
Before Williams was fired, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said a news organization would not tolerate such commentary from a journalist about other racial, ethnic or religious minority groups. Early this month, CNN fired anchor Rick Sanchez for comments that included questioning whether Jews should be considered a minority.
"NPR should address the fact that one of its news analysts seems to believe that all airline passengers who are perceived to be Muslim can legitimately be viewed as security threats," CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said.
Society of Professional Journalists President Hagit Limor said Thursday that although the group supports Williams' right to free speech, "Based on our code of ethics, which advises avoiding stereotyping for any reason ... we understand the rationale that may be behind NPR's decision."
Williams was a longtime reporter, columnist and editorial writer at The Washington Post. He has written extensively on the civil rights movement, including a book on the African-American religious experience and a biography of Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, the first black justice.
Williams: NPR Was Looking For Reason To Fire Me : NPR
 
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I agree that Juan williams has the constitutional right to say what he pleases, however, the constitution does not protect one from suffering the consequences of what one says - Juan williams represented NPR when hes doing news analysis - what he said was biggoted - if you dont think it was just play a simple word game

like this "I get nervous when...

-...I see black men walking towards me"
-...I see a christian outside of an abortion clinic"
-...I see a mexican reching into his pockets"

All of these things are perfectly legal to say, but one may suffer the consequences if they are spokesperson for a company.

NPR has a code of eithics it requires its news analysts to follow - Juan violated that code of ethics, which is why his contract was legally terminated. NPR doesnt wnat those kind of remarks being made by its represenitives, FOX news apearantly does want that kind of talk, because the next day he signed a 2 year 2 million dollar contract with them, because comments like the one he made are sooooo Fair and Balanced.

while i understand this, but having been near far more muslims that i didnt know in a foreign country and with the possiblity of spies. trust wasnt always totally given.

i did learn of thier ways and ma you have seen the pics and some of the stories.

i went through a period of mistrust of all muslims. why? i dont know but the war did that to me. i no longer feel that way but pc has gone amok

major hasan case in point
when he was at grad school and supposed to present cases to his professors and they would grade him. he instead used the platform for political statements, this was a red flag. he is a trainee for a physch degree and not a politician.

instead the govt looked the other(it was on a base when this happened) and many died because of this.

with the npr guy. maybe he hasnt heard enough of the softer more gentile muslims. you say its there.

newsflash npr radio and pbs dont charge for public use, that's what they should be doing , and they were created for. so that the public could get the word out.

so if i am right why doesnt the muslim community ask them to give hours and maybe an interview on some moderate muslims even if its americans or whatever. so that men can put this "fear" to rest.
 
Juan should have known better - any sentence that starts off with "Im not a biggot or anything, BUT...." cant end well, and if you replace the word "Muzlum" with any other religious or ethnic group - juan williams would receive a large public backlash.

Unless you replace it with Christian! Then the ACLU is looking the other way. Hahaha. Sorry couldn't resist that one.

Its odd how Juan williams has written so much on race in America, but falls victim to same bigotted fears my grandma has in regards to blacks, she dosent hate blacks, but she gets scared when one comes near her, and shes never been attacked by an African American or anything. And she makes derogatory comments about my cousins African American husband all the time, comments other family mebers hate, but then they make the same type of comments about me when Im not around.

This totally reminded me of the scene in the movie "Crash."

***SPOILER ALERT****
***WARNING FOUL LANGUAGE***

[video=youtube;Mr-vqKH56w8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-vqKH56w8&feature=related[/video]

To those who have seen this before. It's depth leaves me speechless...
 
theLords - thats actually a very valid observation - White guys and christians do seem to be the exception to the rule here - I think its because everyone knows a white guy and/or a christian - so theres not much irrational fear going on, or misunderstanding. Any person who says "Im no biggot, but...When I see those mormon kids on bikes riding towards me, I gotta tell ya, i get nervous. Those kids will cut ya at the blink of an eye" isnt perceived as a biggot, maybe a weirdo, but not a biggot.

another comment that might be biggoted, but is totally acceptable is "When i see white guys in suits on a plane, I gotta tell ya, I get nervous - because theyre going to buy the airline and cut services"

I think it's more based on stereotypes. If someone said such a thing about Mormons, it would be weird because it's not a stereotype. Now if someone said, "Every time I see a mormon riding around in my neighborhood, I turn off all the lights and the TV so they think no one's home..." That would just be plain funny, because many people can relate. If you've ever seen "Bowling for Columbine" the film made by that guy with the beard, Mike something? He made a very compelling argument about Americans being controlled by fear in the media. He interviewed people in Michigan and then interviewed the same people on the other side of the Great Lakes in Canada and received the answers completely opposite of the Americans. If I remember correctly, one Canadian even said that he doesn't bother to lock his doors sometimes because there's no necessity.

J.W. knew exactly what he was doing when he made that comment. Unless your Paris Hilton, you know EXACTLY what you're doing when you say stupid things. That new 2 million bucks sitting in his bank account testifies to that.
 
People should get in trouble for saying they hate any of God's creation

we can't judge him
 
what he said was biggoted - if you dont think it was just play a simple word game

like this "I get nervous when...

-...I see black men walking towards me"
-...I see a christian outside of an abortion clinic"
-...I see a mexican reching into his pockets"
If someone were to say this and it had never before been reported to have happened, then yes it would be bigoted to say it.
But if it has actually happened, then yes, you would have a reason to be mistrustful. Especially if it had happened on more than one occasion.

And once trust is lost, it usually takes a lot of time to be trustful again.


I mean, come on. If it were KKK members who hijacked several planes and crashed them ...... don't try and tell me that you wouldn't be watching out of the corner of your eye if you stepped on plane and the fellow sitting next to you was wearing a white robe with a pointy hat.
 
Man we don't even trust Cat Stevens when he comes back to America from time to time, I still listen to his songs though.
 
Ok - well Black men have been known to accost people in the streets - so if someone were to say on a national Tv program that black men on the street make them nervous because such instances have been reported - this person would most likely be labeled a bigot - and any subsequent firing of this person would be applauded
I disagree.
If my sister or myself got mugged by a black man last week, I would then be nervous of all black men for awhile.
That's not bigoted, that's human nature.
And it will take awhile for that nervousness to go away (if it ever does).

My granddaughter recently had a balloon pop in her face.
Now she is scared to death of every balloon she sees, even though it was only 1 balloon of many that popped.
Human nature.
Don't know how long it will be before she is not afraid of them anymore (or if she ever will).





Christians have been known to blow up abortion clinics - so, should the police be called every week when the christians stand out fronnt of planned parenthood and protest - I mean if their outside an abortion clinic, and , you know their, their identifying themselves first and foremost as christians, and you know, christians attack abortion clinics with bombs and shoot doctors, so, you know, I get nervous - once trust is lost right? Or does that not apply to christians?
I can guarantee you that the folks who work in the abortion clinic will certainly tense up when a group of Christians are protesting outside.
Especially if they worked at another clinic that got blown up the week before!

Again, that's not being bigoted. It's just human nature.



And no matter what the situation is, some people will be more scared than others.
And some will need a longer time to get over the fear.

We shouldn't label people "bigoted" because they experienced something that caused a fear.

Should I tell my granddaughter that she is stupid and bigoted to be afraid of every balloon just because ONE of them popped in her face?
Get real.
 
I disagree.
If my sister or myself got mugged by a black man last week, I would then be nervous of all black men for awhile.
That's not bigoted, that's human nature.
And it will take awhile for that nervousness to go away (if it ever does).

My granddaughter recently had a balloon pop in her face.
Now she is scared to death of every balloon she sees, even though it was only 1 balloon of many that popped.
Human nature.
Don't know how long it will be before she is not afraid of them anymore (or if she ever will).





I can guarantee you that the folks who work in the abortion clinic will certainly tense up when a group of Christians are protesting outside.
Especially if they worked at another clinic that got blown up the week before!

Again, that's not being bigoted. It's just human nature.



And no matter what the situation is, some people will be more scared than others.
And some will need a longer time to get over the fear.

We shouldn't label people "bigoted" because they experienced something that caused a fear.

Should I tell my granddaughter that she is stupid and bigoted to be afraid of every balloon just because ONE of them popped in her face?
Get real.

its called post traumatic stress disorder or one of the symptoms.

i went through some of this and mentioned it.

maybe that is what juan said and of course some dont want admit that the fear is nothing but that and made him out to be bad.
 
The thing is all people are the same, they kill, steal, rape, lie, cheat, they love they hate, not one color of people is over the other. We are all brothers and sisters, The Bible says that the earth was overspread by Noah's 3 kids, and it seems that Noah named his kids according to the shade of skin they were born in. Ham means hot heated or burnt, Shem means brown dusky or olive, and japheth means light, bright or fair. Now at the Tower of Babel, when God confused their language, they split up, the tribe of HAM went south and south east & west, the tribe of Japheth went north, and the tribe of Shem went east, and south east. And the thing is from where the Tower of Babel was, the tip of any place on earth was no further than 5000 miles away. It was all one land mass then until the Flood. And these people are still where they migrated to even today. So as you can see because we are brothers and sisters, nobody is over the other, and we all do the same things, and color has nothing to do with it.
People of color only make up 14% of the American population, but the news focuses on the inner cities, so it looks like people of color are doing all the crime, but that is far from the truth, and the unfair justice system has a lot to do with that also. Statistics and studies has shown that whites do more crime in America, why, because it is much more of them, but the majority of jails is populated with people of color. But the thing is all people are the same they are good and evil. A white person will rob and kill you and a person of color will rob and kill you. Ans so will the yellow and red man, nobody is over the other.
 
That is so true, Lewis. You have both good and evil everywhere.

And it's not really the color of a person that determines if one gets mugged or not.

BUT ......

Color is part of the memory of the brain.
And if something bad happened to you, and a certain color was involved, then the brain will react to that color.

For instance ...
Let's say that there are several gangs in my city, and all of them are white men.
But the different gang's members wear different color bandannas (gang #1 wears red, gang #2 wears green, gang #3 wears blue, and so on).

If I were to get mugged by a member of gang #1, then the color red is going to be associated with the horror I experienced.

And if I were to go to a party next month and walked into a room full of white men, and I saw one man with a red bandanna standing in the corner ..... a chill would run up my spine.
Not because I'm bigoted against white men who wear red bandannas, but because my brain associates that image with a horrifying experience to me.


I think folks throw around the word "bigot" too loosely at times.

People usually react certain ways for a reason.
And unless you know their story, you might jump to the wrong conclusion about their action.
Sorta falls under that old saying, "Walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me".


If my granddaughter came to your house for a birthday party, and she started screaming with terror and running out of the house ..... you might see that action as odd and unacceptable, UNLESS you know the story of the balloon popping in her face.
 
Lets give an example of something that happened in America, that everyone despises, but is similar to these times.

In 1915 there was a film called "The Birth of a Nation" - this film was a fictional look at race in the south and integration. It was written by Thomas Dixon, a KKK member. It portrayed blacks as blood thirsty savages, that would never be able to integrate into society. It showed black men running wild through white towns raping poor young white girls. It was the highest grossing film of 1915. Pres. Woodrow Wilson had a private screening of the film and said "Its sad because its so true" - America agreed with their president - blacks were dangerous, they will rape your daughters and run wild if not kept in chains. This spawned a mass fear of blacks in both the north and the south - an irrational fear. Now Im positive there were instances where a black man actually did rape a white girl - but the fear outweighed the threat.

Now most people would like to think that if they lived in the early 1900's they wouldnt subscribe to the racist views prevalent in society - prevalent in many of our grandparents - but your no different than them, you fall victim to the same irrational hate for an entire group, just like they did - how many of you think Muslims will never be able to integrate into society, how many of you feel that if Muslims become more numerous in America, your way of life will vanish, how many of you think Muslims do horrible things simply because they are Muslim. Well in the 1900's, people thought blacks would never integrate into society, thought their way of life would vanish if blacks start multiplying, thought blacks were subhuman and capable of atrocious acts simply because they are black.

people like lewis get nervous when they see Muslims on a plane, but do those people get nervous when thunder claps or they see lightning? Why? statistically, your more likely to be struck by lightning than be involved in a terrorist attack. Your more likely to win the lottery than be caught in a terrorist attack - but Im sure when people like that get a lottery ticket, they dont count on winning.

The difference is here: This movie was pure, hateful propaganda. In our modern times, there's no denying 9/11. Or the many Muslim terrorists and Islamic movements that cry "Death to America!" Who want to wipe us off the face of the map. The groups of people who protest with threats and occasional violence against anyone who is anti-Islamic or anti-Mohammad. There is a real threat which creates a real fear.

The problem comes when fear mongerers step in to create an environment of complete anarchy through fear to control the masses. They take a legitimate fear and blow hot air into it to create a monster. Suddenly, it's working and their pockets and bank accounts are getting fatter. While the common people are left to suffer in their overblown fear and hatred.

America is becoming increasing anti-Christian with each president and each generation. The Church as made many mistakes. I, as a Christian, who has never blown up anything, never killed an abortion doctor, never walked around with a sign stating "God hates F**s", suffer for their sins to this present day.

Our world is fallen, full of sin, and full of broken people. The only thing left to do is show mercy to those make comments like the one J.W. said while at the same time realizing that for some people such comments are just a way to create PR, put their names in the papers, push their agendas, and fatten their wallets.
 
It's true. Consider the Japanese-American labor camps during WWII. Right now, the people who wounded this nation were Muslim terrorists. Right now the people who provoke this nation are Muslim terrorists. In the past it has been the Japanese, the Germans, the Cubans, the Russians, the Iranians. There's not much anyone can do to change these facts. If 9/11 had never happened we'd all be fighting each other.

And as far as the Muslim Obama. I don't see it as a big deal. Obama is the 44th president and the he is the first black president. The fact that anyone other than a white man obtained that office is a big enough deal already. But I won't deny the fact that I as a Christian wouldn't vote a Muslim into office. Just like in Iraq, a Christian is not winning any election for Prime Minister anytime soon. It works both ways. There's not much we can do about it.

And as far as your son, he's not the only one. Go talk to an American born Mexican boy, ask him how America feels about him because his name is Jose Jesus Pablo Gonzalez Hernandez. Ask him if he'll be voted Arizona's next governer. I'm sure you'll find him and your son have a lot in common.

Hate has no bias. The spirit of hate- hates, anyone and everyone. Right now, because of 9/11 it's the Muslims turn to be hated in the spot light. Unfortunately, those Muslims who reciprocate with hate are only furthering the agenda.

When something worse happens it'll be someone else's turn. It's the way the world is. The only way we can change it is by starting with ourselves. Yet, we also know we are living in the end times. So in fact, it won't get better, it'll get worse! The irony....
 
Thats true - when was the last time you had a conversation about Juan Williams?

With every fear, there is a basis of truth behind it - one must realize when their fear has reached a point of irrationality.

On a collective scale, irrational fear can be dangerous - laws can be passed to limit the rights of the feared group - discrimination can occur based on the fear. I think thas the root of it - I think thats why Juan got the reaction he got, because while his comments were subtle, and maybe even honest - its those kind of thoughts that can spawn greater action.

His feeling of nervousness dosent suprise me or even offend me really, what would make me nervous is if no other Americans stepped up and confronted him on his comments.

I found it utterly disturbing during the '08 campaign when Obama was accused of being a Muslim, and rather then the Obama supporters saying "Hes not, but so what if he is, Muslims can be president too", they just said "hes not".
Imagine if Lieberman detractors said "you know, Liebermans Jewish, yet another reason he cant be senator" - imagine the uproar that would receive - Its was more like an accepted fact that Muslims cant be president.

Society is sending a message to American born Muslims - your not wanted here - your not one of us.

My son started pre-school, and the teachers tell them that any one of you can be the President of the United states, but my son is the exception to that rule, because hes Muslim - hes got an Arabic name. Its really sad.

wait a sec.

the current potus

Barrack Hussein Obama

hmm Hussein is very common in pashto and dari/farsi
 
Theres actually a US congressman from Michigan who is Muslim, hes got an American name though - I cant remeber it right now - Im pretty sure he represents the dearborn area, so that makes sense - If I made a run for president I would expect to gain some votes - especially from the dearborn area.

Thats good that you would vote for a Muslim if he expressed your same views - thats what should be done - its even more admirable that you being a vet of afghanistan would still vote for a towle head hajji. I work on amilitary base, and these guys hate Muslims - little do they know.

one cant in full integrety vote for the likes of mcain and also others that call themselve one of us and is something else all together in office.

the mormons side with us on abortion and also gay rights. that is how prop 8 passed in cali.

of course i will take some hits for this but the truth be told. the so called religous right guys often turn on us when they get to office.

as long as mr. hazees isnt for sharia law and so on i dont see a problem, but i would verify.

arent there muslims in uniform near you. i have seen them in office.

btw i cant vote for hazeez. different district
i am in 15 that is 67.
 
i will state this.

if a muslim man or woman wants my vote they musnt be funded by cair, or any of those and actually want a two state solution. its pointless to bicker over the fact that isreal should exist by now its been 60 yrs, two generations ago,

to disagree is like saying that all the white and blacks should go up to the nations of origin.
that is another topic.

i'm curious you used towel heads, odd for a muslim to say that when even i wont call the local afghanis that, i use hajii when i speak of the enemy unless i'm talking about one person i know that is a friend or afghani i helped
that prayer thing i posted was one of those a while ago. a muslim afghani friend. for the sack of semi-privacy i didnt want to post his name here.
 
ok that is something new. yes fellow soidiers call them towel heads. sand with the n word,. and a host of others. i mainly use hajii. habit and other vets use that one first if they went to afhghanstan and iraq and even desert storm.
 
I listen to NPR all day everyday (Im at work and its playing right now, and they just got done discussing this) - 99% of the interviews they do with Muslms regarding Islam are moderate Muslims, with anti-terrorist messages.

I dont know what the numbers are, but it seems that the majrity of people who "get nervous" when they see Muslims, or have irrational fears against Muslims tend to be those who LOOOOOVE fox news, and those who love fox news tend to be to the right. Now I think we could do little pole here, and find that the majority of people who identify with the right, like fox news and hate NPR - so the people who fear Muzlums, tend not to listen to NPR as they give interviews to moderate Muslims. In adddition, the non-Muslims who I see coming to the defense of Muslims, tend to mostly be of the liberal persuasion - the same group who loves NPR

What you say, here is significant to a point.

I identify myself as right-wing
I watch Fox News (not the prime-time sensationalism)
I don't listen to NPR

Why does it surprise you that conservatives wouldn't listen to liberal programming?

I also wince when I hear someone start a sentence by saying, "I'm not a biggot, but..." There is a very high probability that that the next words that come out of the person's mouth are tainted.

But then you say something odd...


I can agree with you sissy that a traumatic experience may give you an excuse to fear a group of people who look similar.

MA, obviously, you have not allowed yourself to emotionally connect with the terror Americans experience on 911 or in follow-up attempts like the shoe-bomber. Do we need to have actually been on the plane to be emotionally scarred???

This is a typical example of liberals bowing to pressure that didn't need to be there in the first place. Honestly, I've seen a number of spokespeople from the Muslim community that say Williams should get his job back. NPR, true to its liberal platform made this decision. That's fine. They can decide themselves out of federal funding if they want to. And they'll last as long as Gore's liberal response to conservative talk radio.

We had a few schools in Michigan that had Native American mascots. Eastern Michigan University changed their mascot from the Hurons (a native American tribe) to the Eagles. Why? Did this stem from complaints from the tribe? Of course not. It came from overzealous liberals. The Hurons actually fought for them to keep it; considered it respectful to be associated with an institution of higher learning. They tried the same thing with Central Michigan and its Chippewa mascot, but CMU didn't back down as EMU did.

I don't blame Williams for thinking what he said. He obviously would have been better served not to say it out loud, but he's saying what a lot of people are thinking. And if you don't understand how an American can get any sense of concern when someone in Muslim garb boards an airplane, you've really managed to separate yourself from the horror of 911.
 
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