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Muslim really laugh at folks in the Western World

ezrider said:
Some Muslims believe they can earn their godly righteousness by killing infidels. Some Christians believe that can earn their godly righteousness by the works of the law. The truth is, both Muslims and Christians miss-use their respective Books seeking their own form of godly righteousness.




Who's putting God on trial for the old covenant commands? What would be unwise, would be to discard the FACT that those WORDS are in the BOOK. Why is that so hard for some of you to accept?
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I don't see anyone having difficulty accepting what the Bible says. There are passages in the Law where the Israelites were to kill their own people when they transgressed certain commands. The Law was for a certain people, for a certain time, for a certain purpose. There are passages where they are to do violence towards other peoples, as a part of God's judgement of those peoples. But God also warns the Israelites that they will have things done to them by other nations as God's judgement against them.

It seems to me that you are the one having a hard time accepting that the Quran commands Muslims everywhere to kill anyone who is an infidel, anyone who will not believe in Allah or that Muhammad is his messenger. As I pointed out to you before, and you failed to address, these verses in the Quran abrogate those earlier ones that speak of peace. This is not at all the same as the passages in the Bible; it is the reverse--the Bible begins with OT violence but that is superceded by the peace that comes through the cross.

So you have it all wrong. Those whom the news and liberals like to term "extremist" Muslims, such as ISIL, are actually the ones that take the Quran literally and do what Muhamad told them to do. It is the moderates that neglect their duty to Muhammad's commands. I suspect that they have significant difficulties with such commands and so try to rationalize them away. And they should.
 
ezrider said:
Wow, so many likes, where do I start? Yes, who are we to judge? A very good place to start from, if you were to follow the commands of Jesus.
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Matthew 7:1, adequately misapplied! Read the rest of the chapt and you'll find you just, to be non-offensive to Deb, corkscrewed that verse to the end sof Hell and back. Jesus was teaching you had better not be stupid but you had better judge people as you want God to judge you.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Matthew 7:1, adequately misapplied! Read the rest of the chapt and you'll find you just, to be non-offensive to Deb, corkscrewed that verse to the end sof Hell and back. Jesus was teaching you had better not be stupid but you had better judge people as you want God to judge you.
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Perhaps the meaning of "Starting point" is absolutely lost on you. Yeah. Jesus taught me not to be stupid. He said I should judge other as I would want God to Judge me. So before I go off half cocked judging things that do no pertain to me, I often look for mercy first. I look for understanding and compassion first. That is the starting point.

They are people. They are subject to the same impulses of human nature. They are an oppressed people. I can not deny that the US government, along with the Brits, and the French have all meddled in the business of the Middle East. Our countries are not innocent. We have propped up dictators over them. We have been complicit in their oppression. To see them try and retaliate against those countries is really of no surprise. They too are lost and misguided.

You only see them as your enemy, But have you tried to see them first as your neighbor? Yeah, back to that starting point again; Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?

Let's see, what were some more of those beautiful words of Jesus that we should aspire to? Oh, yeah: Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with GOOD.
 
ezrider said:
Perhaps the meaning of "Starting point" is absolutely lost on you. Yeah. Jesus taught me not to be stupid. He said I should judge other as I would want God to Judge me. So before I go off half cocked judging things that do no pertain to me, I often look for mercy first. I look for understanding and compassion first. That is the starting point.

They are people. They are subject to the same impulses of human nature. They are an oppressed people. I can not deny that the US government, along with the Brits, and the French have all meddled in the business of the Middle East. Our countries are not innocent. We have propped up dictators over them. We have been complicit in their oppression. To see them try and retaliate against those countries is really of no surprise. They too are lost and misguided.

You only see them as your enemy, But have you tried to see them first as your neighbor? Yeah, back to that starting point again; Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?

Let's see, what were some more of those beautiful words of Jesus that we should aspire to? Oh, yeah: Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with GOOD.
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And all of your silly, pointlesss rhetoric has what to do with the Muslims that brought down the Twin Towers, destroying four multi-million dollar jets and murdered thousands of Americans and other members of the Western World, or with the San Bernadido murders or the Ortlando murders and dozens of other slaughter style murders by the pigs that call themselves Muslim of whom I hav yet to hear a single Imam come out against. Never mind the slaughters all over Europe, you act as though all of this is normal and we should just accept it if a Muslim rapes our daughter or cuts our brother's throat, you are wrong and you seek to redirect, can I say hijack this string believing I'm sure that you are doing God's work... surprise, you are not, Now, can you say something that is in context with the gitle o this string?
 
th1b.taylor said:
Now, can you say something that is in context with the gitle o this string?
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Ok, you want something that is in context with the title of the thread?

Muslims laughing at folks in the western world. :rofl2:rofl2:rofl2:rofl2

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
And the Lord shall have them in derision.

God's laughing with them.

:hysterical

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th1b.taylor, you did not answer the question I asked of you.

ezrider said:
You only see them as your enemy, But have you tried to see them first as your neighbor? Yeah, back to that starting point again; Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?
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Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?
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th1b.taylor said:
And all of your silly, pointlesss rhetoric has what to do with the Muslims that brought down the Twin Towers, destroying four multi-million dollar jets and murdered thousands of Americans and other members of the Western World, or with the San Bernadido murders or the Ortlando murders and dozens of other slaughter style murders by the pigs that call themselves Muslim of whom I hav yet to hear a single Imam come out against. Never mind the slaughters all over Europe, you act as though all of this is normal and we should just accept it if a Muslim rapes our daughter or cuts our brother's throat, you are wrong and you seek to redirect, can I say hijack this string believing I'm sure that you are doing God's work... surprise, you are not,
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So what your saying then is you are doing God's work here? And if all of my rhetoric is silly and pointless, then I guess you must think all of Jesus' rhetoric was pretty silly too. Let's see. Who was more concerned with the invading Roman armies at the time. Was it Jesus? No. He said Love your enemy.

But your rhetoric, is that of Barabbas.
 
ezrider said:
Wow, so many likes, where do I start? Yes, who are we to judge? A very good place to start from, if you were to follow the commands of Jesus.




The first point you wish to make is irrelevant to the conversation. You are attempting to delegitimize the one book in order to elevate the other. But to try and argue from the standpoint that one book is truth and the other is false just doesn't deal with the reality of the power and influence the words of both books have over people. You can not deny that. The Muslims hold the Qur'an to be the truth every bit as much as a Christian holds the Bible to be the truth. You can't simply deny what they believe by saying it is false.

The Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the truth. Christians believe the Bible to be truth. Some Muslims believe they can earn their godly righteousness by killing infidels. Some Christians believe that can earn their godly righteousness by the works of the law. The truth is, both Muslims and Christians miss-use their respective Books seeking their own form of godly righteousness.




Who's putting God on trial for the old covenant commands? What would be unwise, would be to discard the FACT that those WORDS are in the BOOK. Why is that so hard for some of you to accept?




YES, we should be following what Jesus said. We should love our enemies, we should do good to those who spitefully use us. Yes, it is a beautiful message indeed. So then why did you make the following comment?



Is it my rationale that we should not be poking Muslims in the eye??? Or was that the oh so beautiful message and rationale according to the words of Jesus, which you were commanded to follow????

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My comments were quite relevant. I took the simplistic argument put forth by you and others that "both the Qur'an and Bible have violence, therefore judge not."

I laid out why that was a weak argument line by line.

The similarities between the Bible and Qur'an start and end with both being bound books. That's it right there.

The Meccan Muhammad was one of compromise and tolerance. The Medina Muahmmad was a man of war and dictator. By Quranic abrogation, the Medina Muhammad comes first in authority.

For Christians, the first authority is Jesus Christ and His new covenant. The covenant of Grace and Peace.

Islam has it backwards. They are heading in the wrong direction...totally wrong direction I'm here to tell you.

That is not judgemental. It's fact.

Here's another fact. The apostles spread the Gospel by preaching, exhorting and signs and wonders.

Islam spread by the sword as far west as the Iberian peninsula.

Submit, or pay the jizyah or die. Versus, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.---Jesus Christ

Big difference. Big difference.

The comparison starts and ends with both religions have a book they call Holy. After that the lines are divergent.

Again Islam went from tolerant to violence. This is why it is a total disaster. When Muslims are using violence they are following their father Muhammad.

When Christians use violence, they are disobeying Jesus Christ.

Pretty simple...really.
 
ezrider said:
th1b.taylor, you did not answer the question I asked of you.



Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?
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Muslims are people and are our neighbor. A cursory glance at the parable of the Good Samaritan is instructive.

Islam is the enemy of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as is every false religion. To think people can be redeemed by the edicts of Muhammad is plain ignorance.

If we play happy feet with the illusion of placating Muslims by telling them if they are "good" they are saved is a false message. If we do that we have blood on our hands.
 
ezrider said:
The Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the truth. Christians believe the Bible to be truth. Some Muslims believe they can earn their godly righteousness by killing infidels. Some Christians believe that can earn their godly righteousness by the works of the law. The truth is, both Muslims and Christians miss-use their respective Books seeking their own form of godly righteousness.
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Again, which came first for Islam? The violent or peaceful writings? The peaceful. Let's call that the Mecca covenant. After this came the Medina covenant which was violent and dictatorial. If Muslims are peaceful then they break their most recent covenant, the Medina covenant. By Quranic abrogation, the Medina covenant takes precedence.

If a Christian follows Mosaic theocratic law, they are disobeying Christ.
 
ezrider said:
The Muslims hold the Qur'an to be the truth every bit as much as a Christian holds the Bible to be the truth. You can't simply deny what they believe by saying it is false.
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EZ, when I read through this post the first time, I read it differently than I did the second time. I'm glad I did read it twice, because I might have been too heavy handed. I'd like to clarify something.

Are you arguing that, as believers in the inerrant Word of God in scripture, we cannot state with confidence that the Koran is false? Or, are you saying a better way to reach Muslims is to not disparage their confidence in the writings of their prophet?

I hope it's the latter, because stating the former would be to reduce God's Word to an errant work of man. I can see how coming right out and bashing their book to them would put up walls and eliminate and opportunity for dialog, but I'd stop short of ever suggesting that they have equal weight or truth. I'll leave it here with my question to you.
 
ezrider said:
Ok, you want something that is in context with the title of the thread?

Muslims laughing at folks in the western world. :rofl2:rofl2:rofl2:rofl2

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
And the Lord shall have them in derision.

God's laughing with them.

:hysterical

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Gee, I wonder where you found that and copy and pasted that from, it does not seam original.
 
ezrider said:
th1b.taylor, you did not answer the question I asked of you.



Is that how you wish to have God judge yourself? As the enemy?
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Ez,
When I walked off stage I gave up all hard drink, all forms of dope, country music and the Blues and I sold out, completely to the service of God/my LORD. God began the Good work in me and being faithful, He is still molding me. Your foolish arrogance and your defense of the forces of Satan is not only not cute, it is not a product of God.
I understand you believe you are correct but you also argued in the past against the principals found in scripture in the past, just as you erroneously taking a stand here for the forces of darkness in this string, that is not of god but is of Satan. I, very honestly, having hung with One Percenters for entirely too long would not see you nor any man or woman fail to acquire a place in Heaven.
 
To everyone involved, this needs to be amicable and respectful in spite of differing opinions and beliefs. If things continue as they are, I'll gut this thread out, lock it, or I'll lock certain members out of it.

Thank you.
 
jaybird said:
i have met many Muslims, not only were they very kind, they didnt try to kill me where i stand. i think those only exist on tv.
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I have known a few Muslims. All of them I knew were the same, very kind and generous. There are radicals in every religion. It seems like the press will only focus on the radicals. Just like with Christianity. The only people we hear about are people that are from the Westboro Baptist Church. They are radical idiots that paint Christianity in a bad light. The press is responsible for a lot of what is going on.
 
ezrider said:
So what your saying then is you are doing God's work here? And if all of my rhetoric is silly and pointless, then I guess you must think all of Jesus' rhetoric was pretty silly too. Let's see. Who was more concerned with the invading Roman armies at the time. Was it Jesus? No. He said Love your enemy.

But your rhetoric, is that of Barabbas.
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That is quite a charge, is that your demonstration of the love of yours and the Islamist's love? I have ad still do, freely, admit God has a way to go on making me over but I do my best to not go off on wild tangents. All of that said, there is a Righteous Anger and what I feel for Islamics and their required hate for the Jew and the Christian is Righteous Anger. (Eph 4:26,27, Mark 3:1-5, Matt. 21:12,13) You appear to call your failure to assume a protective stance for the people of this nation is not of God, these people intend to kill you and it is you they are laughing at.
 
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