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My Right To Die

Lewis W said:
But she is doing this herself, wow and she is only 29, and she found a state where it is legal, Oregan.
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I am not impressed.That is murder if she is doing it to herself or not.What is the different in that and suicide?
 
I believe people have the right to end their own life should they choose to do so. Especially if death is imminent.
 
That true kiwidan, but sometimes with certain illnesses you know you are on your way out of here. Don't to many people recover from brain cancer.
 
At a church I attended in the 80s, in another part of my state, there were 3 people of varying ages who faced brain cancer. The youngest was 7. All three survived, and all 3 are cancer-free to this day.

Power of prayer works!
 
If God does not step in with divine intervention you are a goner. And many time He does not step in.
 
Lewis W said:
That true kiwidan, but sometimes with certain illnesses you know you are on your way out of here. Don't to many people recover from brain cancer.
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Ya, well my son was suppose to have been dead also the night I got the call from cancer they could not stop and it had spread through his whole body. I was told over the phone that He would pass sometime that night or the next morning at Children Chicago memorial hospital right off Lakeshore Drive. My sons body was blue from all the blood cells in his skin bursting.

After spinal taps every day, and bone marrow taken from my sons hip everyday, they tried aggressively all week to slow the cancer and could not. It was a rare form of T-cell Lymphoma. Kids normally get the B-cell which had a 85 percent (Remission) rate at the time.

I was the father that got the call. Sorry, nothing we can do.

People were trying to be supportive, I had a relative offer to pay for the funeral and everything. Bla, faith does not take two sides. We are told to be double minded is like the wave of the seal tossed by the wind. Not gonna happen.

I hear what your saying Lewis, I went through it, and I got that report. My son was to die just after 8 short days in the Hospital. The cancer moved that fast.

i want everyone to know I had another report though. After that phone call, I just said, "Devil, You can't kill my son, with Long life my God whom I trust will satisfy him."

Despite the waves of fear, dread, goosebumps, tears. We still have a right to zip our mouths and speak the Word only. It's not based on feelings, but based on what you believe, and I believe that My God will perfect everything that concerns me. (Psalm 138:8) I did not budge one time, and I certainly did not plan a funeral despite everyone thinking I was being unreasonable and irresponsible.

That night I just laid down and told the devil I am not loosing sleep over this, my son is fine.

The next morning the phone rings and wakes me up. It's the ring I did not want, but then again I had spoken and was trusting God. It was the wife, and she sounded very strange. That morning my son was alive still, and they were in a scramble to find out why there was not one cancer cell to be found in his body. They double checked the charts to make sure there was no mess up and my son went through a battery of test and no cancer.

What God did for me and my family, He will do for you. Our great father is no respecter of persons, but without faith you won't please him.

Now moving to a state that allows you to kill yourself just in case is not faith, and a open season on you for Mr. Devil. Bad choice. If Satan has a place to kill you, there is no place on earth to hide, and Satan if He has the place does not have to wait for a slow death but suddenly, He takes you out and robs you of all God planed for you on Earth.
 
AirDancer said:
At a church I attended in the 80s, in another part of my state, there were 3 people of varying ages who faced brain cancer. The youngest was 7. All three survived, and all 3 are cancer-free to this day.

Power of prayer works!
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Prayer is very powerful.But when kids are dieing it is different than when adults die.They seem to deal with it more peacefully.
 
Brother Mike said:
Ya, well my son was suppose to have been dead also the night I got the call from cancer they could not stop and it had spread through his whole body. I was told over the phone that He would pass sometime that night or the next morning at Children Chicago memorial hospital right off Lakeshore Drive. My sons body was blue from all the blood cells in his skin bursting.

After spinal taps every day, and bone marrow taken from my sons hip everyday, they tried aggressively all week to slow the cancer and could not. It was a rare form of T-cell Lymphoma. Kids normally get the B-cell which had a 85 percent (Remission) rate at the time.

I was the father that got the call. Sorry, nothing we can do.

People were trying to be supportive, I had a relative offer to pay for the funeral and everything. Bla, faith does not take two sides. We are told to be double minded is like the wave of the seal tossed by the wind. Not gonna happen.

I hear what your saying Lewis, I went through it, and I got that report. My son was to die just after 8 short days in the Hospital. The cancer moved that fast.

i want everyone to know I had another report though. After that phone call, I just said, "Devil, You can't kill my son, with Long life my God whom I trust will satisfy him."

Despite the waves of fear, dread, goosebumps, tears. We still have a right to zip our mouths and speak the Word only. It's not based on feelings, but based on what you believe, and I believe that My God will perfect everything that concerns me. (Psalm 138:8) I did not budge one time, and I certainly did not plan a funeral despite everyone thinking I was being unreasonable and irresponsible.

That night I just laid down and told the devil I am not loosing sleep over this, my son is fine.

The next morning the phone rings and wakes me up. It's the ring I did not want, but then again I had spoken and was trusting God. It was the wife, and she sounded very strange. That morning my son was alive still, and they were in a scramble to find out why there was not one cancer cell to be found in his body. They double checked the charts to make sure there was no mess up and my son went through a battery of test and no cancer.

What God did for me and my family, He will do for you. Our great father is no respecter of persons, but without faith you won't please him.

Now moving to a state that allows you to kill yourself just in case is not faith, and a open season on you for Mr. Devil. Bad choice. If Satan has a place to kill you, there is no place on earth to hide, and Satan if He has the place does not have to wait for a slow death but suddenly, He takes you out and robs you of all God planed for you on Earth.
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Yes God does work like that, and He does it often, but sometimes He will not even if you pray non stop for a month.
 
Lewis W said:
Yes God does work like that, and He does it often, but sometimes He will not even if you pray non stop for a month.
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Well now, that is part of the faith issue there Lewis. He will not for me, is not going to excite God very much. No question that God can't, so it's based on what we believe our righteousness with him is. (Our Right standing with God)

So that is the big Question, will God be there for me?

That is part of the faith thing though. If I have faith you will do as you say Lewis, then your integrity is not in question. What about God though? Has Jesus our High priest ever changed any?

So, praying for a month does not seem to always work. Is it God's fault though? What examples work, what are we given to go by, and understand?

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
(Mar 11:24)

Why would we continue to pray for healing for a month? Pretty simple, we are not healed yet physically. So, we keep praying about it. That is not what Jesus said to do. He said when you pray, believe you have received it. That means you can still be sick as a dog, but as far as your concerned based on what Jesus said, it's a done deal. You are the healed, and God will keep His end of the deal.

The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
(Mat 8:8)

This centurion did not even feel worthy enough for Jesus to come over personally and Heal his servant. The Centurion recognized authority though, and Knew that all Jesus had to do was speak the Word and it was a done deal. The centurion operated the same way, and understood that speaking gets things moving. Notice Jesus went with His faith and did not come over, and did not ask the Centurion to pray a month about it?

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

What's God's will concerning healing? I can post tons of scriptures about it or send a link so you can research it on your own. Bottom line is, once we settle what His will on something is, we just ask once. Faith only asks one time and God is not deaf.

If God heard, then the petition WE desire is on the way. Not some answer that nobody can understand and ended in tragedy for God's greater purpose. That is bad thinking about the Father.

A whole church can pray for someone and they still Die Lewis. It's not faith, it's not what we were instructed to do. If we don't come up to God's level of operation, then we will get failures. We have to do it His way, we don't make up our own rules and expect victory.

it's God's will that we be healed, We are the seed of Abraham, and His blessed Children. Where you see forgiveness, you see healing in scripture also. Most of us have the forgiveness down, but other things come with that. The same things I stood on for my own son.

Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
(Psa 103:3)

And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus. And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
(Luk 5:19-20)

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

Now if you believe God forgives, then .................................. You have to believe the other part also since it's scripture.

I never asked God one time to heal my son. The day I found out about the cancer, before they shipped my son off to Chicago, I did talk with the devil. God was not the one making my son sick, no more than you arrest the bank manager and not the bank robber.

I told the devil once to let go my son in the name of Jesus and that was it. I never prayed again, or spoke to the devil again despite things getting worse for my son day by day. I can't perform the Word anyway, and the devil and God are not hard of hearing.

Now when the devil would remind me my son was dying, I just praised God for his faithfulness, that no plague come neigh my dwelling, and used the help of the Holy Spirit and the Word to bring peace back to me. They don't call it a good fight of faith for nothing, there will be a fight, you bet. Scripture promises victory, they don't promise no hard times.

That last day, everything in the natural looked like God was not going to come through, but we can't be moved by what it looks like, and we don't walk by sight.

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
(Mar 9:23)

Answer this Question Lewis, does someone who prays and prays because they don't think God heard and is moving, someone that worries and says they might die, and they plan their own funeral going to get the same results as someone that speaks the Word, believes and puts on their armor and takes a stand, resisting the devil in faith?

Does the person that kept the Words of the Lord, building the house on the rock, get the same results as the one that forget what the Lord said and built their house on the sand?

What happens if you don't believe then are all things possible?

If interested in my about this, I can give you links to free videos and even a free book to look over. Sure would beat reading 8 pages of post from me.

Blessing to you and your family. :)
 
Brother Mike said:
Ya, well my son was suppose to have been dead also the night I got the call from cancer they could not stop and it had spread through his whole body. I was told over the phone that He would pass sometime that night or the next morning at Children Chicago memorial hospital right off Lakeshore Drive. My sons body was blue from all the blood cells in his skin bursting.

After spinal taps every day, and bone marrow taken from my sons hip everyday, they tried aggressively all week to slow the cancer and could not. It was a rare form of T-cell Lymphoma. Kids normally get the B-cell which had a 85 percent (Remission) rate at the time.

I was the father that got the call. Sorry, nothing we can do.

People were trying to be supportive, I had a relative offer to pay for the funeral and everything. Bla, faith does not take two sides. We are told to be double minded is like the wave of the seal tossed by the wind. Not gonna happen.

I hear what your saying Lewis, I went through it, and I got that report. My son was to die just after 8 short days in the Hospital. The cancer moved that fast.

i want everyone to know I had another report though. After that phone call, I just said, "Devil, You can't kill my son, with Long life my God whom I trust will satisfy him."

Despite the waves of fear, dread, goosebumps, tears. We still have a right to zip our mouths and speak the Word only. It's not based on feelings, but based on what you believe, and I believe that My God will perfect everything that concerns me. (Psalm 138:8) I did not budge one time, and I certainly did not plan a funeral despite everyone thinking I was being unreasonable and irresponsible.

That night I just laid down and told the devil I am not loosing sleep over this, my son is fine.

The next morning the phone rings and wakes me up. It's the ring I did not want, but then again I had spoken and was trusting God. It was the wife, and she sounded very strange. That morning my son was alive still, and they were in a scramble to find out why there was not one cancer cell to be found in his body. They double checked the charts to make sure there was no mess up and my son went through a battery of test and no cancer.

What God did for me and my family, He will do for you. Our great father is no respecter of persons, but without faith you won't please him.

Now moving to a state that allows you to kill yourself just in case is not faith, and a open season on you for Mr. Devil. Bad choice. If Satan has a place to kill you, there is no place on earth to hide, and Satan if He has the place does not have to wait for a slow death but suddenly, He takes you out and robs you of all God planed for you on Earth.
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A wise man foresees evil and hides. That is true.

My Grandpa had esophageal cancer. His chances of surviving the surgery were under 5%, and even if he survived the surgery he was given a maximum of 6 months after that. He just died. Over 10 years later. His doctors called him a medical miracle.

On the other hand, my best friend was hit in the head by a stray bullet right before graduation. The person who shot him was a kid he saved from getting jumped just prior to the shooting. The 15 year old fired into a group of teenagers after school, and his mother was caught on camera providing him the gun and was his get away driver. They were arrested 15 minutes later in Highland Park MI. His name was Dmitri Jackson. He was kept on life support in a coma for a few days until he died. One time he tricked me into getting locked into a youth church group: after I parked the car they locked the gates. Not that I didn't believe in Jesus, I just didn't know him and felt out of place. I wasn't raised to fear God. That came after He called me out. He seemed to have a favorite piece of Scripture that he had posted on social media:

"For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

We were both very bad back then, in fact I was worse than him and I was a pretty bad influence on him (which all things considered, was a hard thing to be), but the Blood of Christ is what saves us.

Why share this?

To illustrate that those who live are not better than those who die and it is only by the Blood of Christ that we are saved. I also had a friend who committed suicide and I was later told by someone who knew him growing up that he was abused as a child. He didn't say who did it. He was asking us for shotgun shells just prior to shooting himself in the chest with a shotgun. The kind of young people we were back then, we didn't even think anything of it when he asked us. We were the types to not question why someone would want shotgun shells, and none of us were hunters or target shooters (yeah it was that bad, but all things considered there are plenty of people in corporate America and even in our churches who are even worse than we were).

I can't call it, but I do believe that everyone should have the choice. In fact, the only time they really don't is when they are suffering on a hospital bed. Some people deal with pain we can't even imagine. Both physical and emotional. This life gets too real sometimes. It shows us the reality of what sin actually is and why it can never be allowed in God's Kingdom, and all people and things that cause it must be removed. It shows us why the smoke of those who persecute the Saints will rise up forever. God is not playing around about His kids. Better for them if a millstone were tied around their necks and cast into the sea than for them to cause a child of God to stumble.

As for the souls of those who commit suicide: they are God's to judge. None of us have remained pure and we can never condemn someone. We can and should judge within the church, but we can not condemn and be justified in it.

It is ONLY by the Blood of Christ that ANY of us are saved. If He didn't die for us on that Cross, not a single one of us would live.

Mike, what you posted about your son is very encouraging. Share that as often as you can.
 
Lewis W said:
Do you believe people should be on life support machines to keep them alive ?
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This is a good question. In many cases, it has been demonstrated that pain can be felt while in a coma on life support...

This is also a question we only just began asking. Life support has not been around for very long.
 
One thing to add. Assisted suicide is murder unless the person who wants to die is unable to take their own life. If someone gets their arms and legs blown off by an IED, has back pain, TBI, and wants to die - their request should be honored. It is a disgrace if it is not. We should demand compassion and not sacrifice.

If someone wants to die and is able to take their own life, they should never be assisted. Unfortunately, suicide by cop is always an option for people like that which leaves the cop in a terrible situation.

Welcome to Satan's world. Satan is rightfully called the god of this world. Our God is not of this world.
 
There is probably no other denomination in the USA that believes in direct and active healing more than the Vineyard. We operate in that mode all the time, and see it happening everywhere... for saved, and unsaved, alike.

That's why it never ceases to amaze me to see the huge number of people who resist healing (or just relegate it to "praying that they be healed") I'm so serious about this. it seems people will actually FIGHT to get to remain sick, and/or just go ahead and die when it may often be totally unnecessary.

However, I DO agree that Lewis has the right to end his own life if he chooses to. :wave
 
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I don't like suicide. I especially dislike physician assisted suicide. The medical establishment already has too much power. I don't want them to control end of life choices.

This is the way society is going. We have technology for good pain management, resources (in the US) to put people in good hospice care, with pastoral counseling and such, but...

...there's a push towards "death with dignity." How is suicide more dignified than leaving this world comfortably, on pain killers, surrounded by loved ones?

Pope John Paul II called this one part of the "culture of death," and its not just euthanasia. Its abortion, its widespread divorce and sodomy, its violence, its heavy use prisons, its excessive military violence...

And its sad. To make a choice out of fear and pain and pass it off as a "dignified" alternative to a natural death, maybe (hopefully?) using palliative care, is ridiculous. To point to suicide as a more noble, dignified, moral exit than what I guess is an "undignified" (read: natural) death isn't progress; its absurd. Its the modern equivalent of a Roman soldier throwing himself on his sword.

I'm especially upset because this young woman is clearly affluent. I mean, no, she may not be cured. She may well die soon. Why not get in home pain management and (re)connect with family and friends and let death come more or less naturally? (sometimes, the doses of pain killers used in hospice can hasten someone's demise). Why jump through all these hoops to get a Seconal prescription and media attention when you can just stay where you are, get pain management, and leave when its time?

Its worth noting that she's young, attractive, white, and affluent. Plenty of old, ugly, non-white, and/or non-affluent people die, one way or another, everyday. CNN usually doesn't cover their stories.
 
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