My understanding of the End Times

[Shekinahglory]

Vs.26 after 434 years that end in the year AD29 shall Messiah be cut off. Jesus was crucified after he was baptized in AD 29 three and a half years later. Jesus was cut off (killed) by the people of the Romans under Vespasian their prince that the Pharisees, Sanhedrin and the high priest who have favor with that destroy the city and the sanctuary (meaning Christ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Gods wrath) that will put an end to abominations by desolation or in other words a ruin to evil deeds. Daniel 9:27 explains the definitions of desolation of abominations or the ruin of evil deeds. There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where a so called Antichrist (emphasis on the capitol "A") will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the son of perdition, being the false prophet/last antichrist, tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45. Gods’ word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists, 1John2:18; 11 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Revelation 11:7. The seven years that some call the seven year tribulation means three and a half years beginning with the first six seals being the beginning of sorrows (first woe). The last three and a half years starting with the (second woe) with the sounding of the first trumpet and ending with the seventh trumpet that includes everything else written in Revelations that includes the time of Christ return for His Bride in Rev 19 up to the end when Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet and ends with the new Jerusalem being ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.

“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.


“Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Here maybe your greatest proof text the 70 A.D. interpretation is not the fulfillment of the prophecy. Here are the things that did not take place and have not taken place. A prophecy not fulfilled makes for a false prophet. A prophecy partially fulfilled makes it still to come.

1) The covenant with death, antiChrist, was never offered nor accepted because Death has not come yet.
2) Israel finished transgressions
3) end of sins.
4) bring in everlasting righteousness. 5) seal up vision and prophecy
5) anoint the most holy.
6) defeat of anti-Christ and false prophet thrown into LOF.
7) Satan bound and placed in the Abyss.
8) Satan set loose deceived the Gentile nations.
9) Satan defeated and throne into LOF where anti-Christ and false prophet have been 1,000 years
10) Gentile nations have been bird feed for the birds of the air.
11) Thrones setup
12) the GWTJ.
13) New Heaven earth, Jerusalem and the Bride
14) Wedding Supper of the Lamb
15) Eternity

The Prince who is to come is the Prince of this world, Satan. He is the one Isaiah shows entering into a seven year, the Tribulation, period covenant with apostate Israel. This is the final act of harlotry by the apostate portion of Israel.


“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

Vs.27 the 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the spiritual city right to the cross where the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes back in the air to call his Bride home and for the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all who would not believe.

How long is that 70th week because its approaching 2,000 years since the cross. The only thing that stopped the sacrifice and offerings was the destruction of the temple. When this stops it will be when the temple anti-Christ sets himself up in as God is destroyed with the Return of Christ the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

 

[for_his_glory]

Shekinahglory you said: That was to take 62 weeks of years or 434 years until Messiah came and is cutoff. This leaves one Week of Years , 7 Years, until the Prince who is to come appears at that time this is Death who enters into a seven year covenant with apostate Israel and he is accepted as the Messiah. This Prince of the World is the being that begins the seven years period that's left to be fulfilled

Scripture speaks nothing of a seven year covenant in Daniel 9:26, 27.

Daniel 9:26, 27 says Messiah is cut off and in the midst of week 70th Jesus shall confirm the covenant (grace, not a seven year covenant) and that which is determined (judged) will be that of Gods judgment of those not found written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Ezra 1: 2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

The command to rebuild Jerusalem was in 457BC. Daniel 9:25 says it took 7 weeks (49 years) to rebuild. This brings us to 408BC.

Daniel says 62 weeks later (434 years) Messiah will arrive. This brings us to 27AD which is the end of week 69 and start of week 70. (408 -343 = 26. Add 1 year for year “0” and you come to 27AD)


Note: There are different opinions on who “the people of the prince” refers to in Daniel 9:26 but the majority of scholars however do agree that the destruction of the city and the sanctuary applies to the second destruction of Jerusalem and the rebuilt sanctuary by Roman armies under Prince Titus in 70 A.D.

 

[for_his_glory]

Shekinahglory

This is the time of Jacob's trouble meaning Israel and Judah.

Jeremiah 30:1 -7 starts out by God saying He will cause Judah and Israel to return back to the land of their fathers and they will possess it. Vs. 5 describes a time of great fear and trembling. Vs. 6 describes this time as men going through the pains of childbirth that indicates a time of agony, but yet hope for Judah and Israel as this is called the time of Jacob's trouble meaning Israel's time of trouble, but Israel will be saved in the end.

Jeremiah 30:1-7 is prophecy that will be fulfilled when there is war in heaven between Michael and Satan and Satan is cast out of heaven forever and cast down to the earth who torments the travailing woman that is Israel, Rev 12. For then will Satan, that red dragon, give power to the beast out of the sea who in turn gives power to the beast out of the earth, Rev 13.

During the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the son of perdition who with lying signs and wonders promising peace and safety to all who will take the mark of this beast also ushers in the time of God's great wrath during the seven trumpets sounding. No where in scripture does it say anything about a seven year tribulation or a pretrib rapture of the Church. Jesus said then immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matthew 24:29-31.

 

[ezrider]

@Shekinahglory

This is the time of Jacob's trouble meaning Israel and Judah.

Jeremiah 30:1 -7 starts out by God saying He will cause Judah and Israel to return back to the land of their fathers and they will possess it. Vs. 5 describes a time of great fear and trembling. Vs. 6 describes this time as men going through the pains of childbirth that indicates a time of agony, but yet hope for Judah and Israel as this is called the time of Jacob's trouble meaning Israel's time of trouble, but Israel will be saved in the end.

The time of Jacob's trouble has already been fulfilled, and has been recorded as such in the scriptures for your edification.

Matthew 2:18-16
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.


Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.

Matthew 2:13
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

 

[for_his_glory]

The time of Jacob's trouble has already been fulfilled, and has been recorded as such in the scriptures for your edification.

When did God cause Judah and Israel to return to the land that He gave to their fathers, and when did they possess it?

 

[ezrider]

When did God cause Judah and Israel to return to the land that He gave to their fathers, and when did they possess it?

Roughly 2500 years ago.

After the Babylonian captivity, did not the children of Israel and Judah return to the land of their fathers? Why they even managed to build up the city and a second Temple.

 

[JLB]

When did God cause Judah and Israel to return to the land that He gave to their fathers, and when did they possess it?

1948

 

[for_his_glory]

1948

ezrider and JLB

So, you are saying the times of Jacob's troubles are over as all the descendants of Judah and Israel from every nation across the world are now all gathered to Jerusalem and posses the land that God gave to their fathers. If this is so then why are they not living in peace. Jeremiah 30:1-9.

 

[JLB]

ezrider and JLB

So, you are saying the times of Jacob's troubles are over as all the descendants of Judah and Israel from every nation across the world are now all gathered to Jerusalem and posses the land that God gave to their fathers. If this is so then why are they not living in peace. Jeremiah 30:1-9.

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, “Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying: ‘Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”
Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah.
“For thus says the Lord:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
Jeremiah 30:1-8


“Jacob” in this context, is a diaspora term used of Israel when they have been unfaithful and are living among the nations.


Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?

This occurred during World War II in the gas chambers under Hitler.

‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;

Right afterwards God gathered them back to the land of promise.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

JLB Bear with me as I have to give some history first in order to make my point of how I understand Jeremiah 30.

Jeremiah was a contemporary of Zephaniah, Daniel an Ezekiel. His ministry stretched from 627BC to about 580BC. Josiah was the last good King from 640-609 BC and was killed by Pharaoh-necho of Egypt in 609BC. Jeremiah was on good terms with him. By this time Babylon had already overthrown Nineveh, the capital city of Assyria in 612BC.

Jehoahaz replaced Josiah as king of Judah, but only reigned three months before he was deposed and taken to Egypt by Necho. Jehoiakim was Judah's next king from 609-597BC, but he resigned as an Egyptian vassal until 605BC when Egypt was defeated by Babylon at Carchemish.

Nebuchadnezzar took Palestine and deported many key persons such as Daniel to Babylon. Judah's next king Jehiokim was now a Babylonian vassal, but he rejected Jeremiah's warnings in 601BC and rebelled against Babylon. Jehoiachin became Judah's next king in 597BC, but was replaced three months later when Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem and deported Jehoiachin to Babylon. Zedekiah was the last king of Judah. His attempted alliance with Egypt led to Nebuchadnezzar's occupation and overthrow of Jerusalem in 586BC.

Thus, there were three stages in Jeremiah's ministry. (1) from 627 to 605BC he prophesied while Judah was threatened by Assyria and Egypt. (2) From 605 to 586BC he proclaimed God's judgment while Judah was threatened and besieged by Babylon. (3) From 586 to about 580 BC he ministered in Jerusalem and Egypt after Judah's downfall.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. The Jewish proper diaspora began with the Babylonian exile in the 6th Century BC. In the first year of the reign of King Cyrus he gave the decree to Ezra to go and rebuild the Temple, the city and that walls. In 70AD once again Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed and Judah scattered to the north and Israel to the south and even now throughout the world. Israel became the State of Israel in 1948 but, not all of Judah and Israel have returned back to Jerusalem as we can read the numbering of every tribe in Rev 7:1-8.

By all of this I understand Jeremiah 30 as the times of Jacob's trouble until the end of days when all of all of Judah and Israel (144,000 of each tribe) will be brought back to their land and finally posses it forever when Christ returns. For now they travail in birth pains waiting to be delivered by the coming of Christ.

Comparing these three scriptures below is the time of Jacob's trouble until all who have endured until the end will be saved as they came out of much tribulation.

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[ezrider]

1) The covenant with death, antiChrist, was never offered nor accepted because Death has not come yet.

The Mosaic Covenant was called the covenant with Death.

Isaiah 28:14-15
Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men,
that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isaiah 28:16-17
Therefore thus saith the Lord God,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.


Surely you understand that Christ is that chief cornerstone?


Isaiah 28:18-19
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.
From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you:
for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night:
and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

 

[ezrider]

So, you are saying the times of Jacob's troubles are over

The time of Jacob's trouble was Rachel, his beloved wife weeping for her children in the time of Herod. The scriptures itself declares this prophecy fulfilled.

Jeremiah 30:6
Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child?
wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail,
and all faces are turned into paleness?

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


Do you know who the "he" was that was saved out of it?


Jeremiah 31:15
Thus saith the Lord;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation, and bitter weeping;
Rachel weeping for her children
refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.

Matthew 2:17-18
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

 

[ezrider]

If this is so then why are they not living in peace. Jeremiah 30:1-9.

I seems to me that you have a serious misunderstanding of the peace that was promised. It was not a peace between the nations, but peace with God through the new Covenant.

Jesus said My peace I give unto you...

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 

[ezrider]

1948

1948 was not the time of Jacob's trouble, but more likely that of...

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



Deuteronomy 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners,
I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


Why did the Lord make the remembrance of them to cease from among men?
What brings them to remembrance among men again?

 

[Shekinahglory]

1948 was not the time of Jacob's trouble, but more likely that of...

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four qu



Deuteronomy 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners,
I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


Why did the Lord make the remembrance of them to cease from among men?
What brings them to remembrance among men again?

Shekinahglory you said: That was to take 62 weeks of years or 434 years until Messiah came and is cutoff. This leaves one Week of Years , 7 Years, until the Prince who is to come appears at that time this is Death who enters into a seven year covenant with apostate Israel and he is accepted as the Messiah. This Prince of the World is the being that begins the seven years period that's left to be fulfilled

Scripture speaks nothing of a seven year covenant in Daniel 9:26, 27.

right in 9;27 it tells that the prince who is to come not the prince who was here and is here again. it would be needed by you to explain why all the things that were said to be done have not happened. She is sinning and all of what was meant to end is still alive and unwell.

Daniel 9:26, 27 says Messiah is cut off and in the midst of week 70th Jesus shall confirm the covenant (grace, not a seven year covenant) and that which is determined (judged) will be that of Gods judgment of those not found written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Ezra 1: 2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

The command to rebuild Jerusalem was in 457BC. Daniel 9:25 says it took 7 weeks (49 years) to rebuild. This brings us to 408BC.

Daniel says 62 weeks later (434 years) Messiah will arrive. This brings us to 27AD which is the end of week 69 and start of week 70. (408 -343 = 26. Add 1 year for year “0” and you come to 27AD)


Note: There are different opinions on who “the people of the prince” refers to in Daniel 9:26 but the majority of scholars however do agree that the destruction of the city and the sanctuary applies to the second destruction of Jerusalem and the rebuilt sanctuary by Roman armies under Prince Titus in 70 A.D.

the people of the prince are apostate Israel. Anti-christ is going to be born in Israel. These are the apostate portion who believes he is the Messiah has come.

in

 

[JLB]

1948 was not the time of Jacob's trouble, but more likely that of...

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



Deuteronomy 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners,
I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


Why did the Lord make the remembrance of them to cease from among men?
What brings them to remembrance among men again?

I agree.

1948 was not the time of Jacob’s Trouble.

1948 was the time just after it, when God gathered them back to the promised land.



JLB

 

[JLB]

1948 was not the time of Jacob's trouble, but more likely that of...

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The context of Revelation 20:7-8 is after the resurrection.

One thousand years after the resurrection.


And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Revelation 20:4-6


JLB

 

[dianegcook]

1948? Parable of the figs
Jer.24:1-10
This only speaks of the tribe of Judah..

 

[Shekinahglory]

I agree.

1948 was not the time of Jacob’s Trouble.

1948 was the time just after it, when God gathered them back to the promised land.



JLB

1948 my husbands birth. The Aliyah, the Return has not taken place yet. There are still more Jewish people in NYC then there is in Israel. The things that will bring them back will not only the be Messiah has come but the promise of peace. When those things align you won't be able to get a flight. Interestingly enough a few years ago there was a movement to draw Jewish people back to the Land. At the same time the Ultra-Orthodox moved in the Knesset to declare any Jew who is a Christian lost their Jewishness and could not return. The Law was read twice in the Knesset and was one reading short of becoming Law.

 

[for_his_glory]

The time of Jacob's trouble was Rachel, his beloved wife weeping for her children in the time of Herod. The scriptures itself declares this prophecy fulfilled.

Jeremiah 30:6
Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child?
wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail,
and all faces are turned into paleness?

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


Do you know who the "he" was that was saved out of it?


Jeremiah 31:15
Thus saith the Lord;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation, and bitter weeping;
Rachel weeping for her children
refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.

Matthew 2:17-18
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

I gave the history for this in post # 50 and it's no wonder why Rachel weeps for her children. Jeremiah was told to write this prophecy in a book of what God was about to give him of future events. Here we have this portion of the book of Jeremiah as prophecy given for a future state of Judah and Israel. Rachel would weep for her children in the distress they have always been in, but will receive her peace in the end of days as all of will when Christ returns.

Jeremiah 30 vs. 1, 2 starts out with the Lord speaking to Jeremiah about Judah an Israel. Vs 3 the Lord promises that one day in the future as the day will come that He will bring Judah and Israel back to the land He had promised to their forefathers. Vs. 5 describes a time of great fear and trembling. Vs. 6 describes this time in a way that pictures men going through the pains of childbirth, meaning great agony. Vs. 7 For that day is great so that no other day will ever be like it. This is a reference to Matthew 24:21; Rev 7:1-8. But, there is hope for Judah and Israel for though this is called the time of Jacob's trouble the Lord promises He will save Jacob (refering to Judah and Israel, not literally Jacob) out of this time of great trouble, Rev 19:11-21. Vs. 8 It shall come to pass in that day (in that day means a future day) says the Lord that He will break his yoke from off their necks and will burst thy bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. His yoke is that of Satan who for now controls the evil principalities of this world that even today until Christ returns persecutes God's people. Vs. 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King, meaning Jesus whom God will raise up (resurrection) unto them. Vs 10, 11 the Lord says, I will surely save you out of a distant place, your descendants from the land of their exile. Jacob will again have peace and security and no one will make him afraid. I am with you and will save you declares the Lord.

All of this happens on the last day when Christ returns and makes an end to all abominations here on earth that have come against His people as no one will then be held by the stronghold of Satan anymore.