Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots

[n2thelight]

Revelation 17:1 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials [bowls], and talked with me [John], saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore [harlot] that sitteth upon many waters:

This angel is one of the seven angels that "he" [John] has seen before, and the discussion John and this angel are having is about this "one world religion" that sits, or rules over the peoples of the earth. The "great whore" is a religion, while the "waters" represents the people that follow after the whore, or religion.

This "whore" is identified as "Mystery, Babylon,
So this angel is about to tell John exactly what these terms and idioms mean.

Revelation 17:2 "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."

This is the answer given to John, by the angel. The "people" of the earth have become intoxicated on her [this one world religious system's] wine, which is confusion and false doctrine.

Revelation 17:3 "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

John was taken by this messenger in the spirit, to a time of the end. The wilderness is the same as Joel spoke of; where before the locust arrived, it was like the Garden of Eden, lush and flourishing; and behind the locust army it became a wilderness. [Joel 1:19-20] So this "wilderness" is a "time", not a place, when all truth of God's Word has dried up.

Amos 8:11 "Behold the day come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

When Satan comes, he comes bring peace and prosperity to everyone that buys into his system.

Amos 8:12 "And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they [the people of the earth living in their flesh bodies] shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

So what are these people looking for? The truth of God's Word, it simply will not be found. As we see today, Christian churches are even bringing in the heathen religious forms such as TM and other forms, and trying to use them and call their methods of those eastern religious forms "of God". This "Scarlet colored beast" religious system will be out to please everyone, including you and your church. However, the churches that are of the Smyrna and Philadelphia type will not buy into that system. The other five types of churches will.

This "woman" then is a "false religion", and she sits on "the religious beast" of the one world system. Think of this religious system in today's terms as the "World Council of Churches", this old whore caters to any heathen cause coming down the line. The "Scarlet" color represents royalty, and a very high political power, and that is exactly where the World Council of Churches sits.
The "blasphemy" she is spouting out is against our Heavenly Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit of God.

In Revelation 13:1, we were given the seven dominions, or continents which cover the entire earth, with it's ten rulers, or authoritative agencies. All these powers are riding under a beast, which is a world wide government. When this government started, it was in a political form following a world war. However, after the United Nations was established, then a troubling spiritual time came. The Political form of this world wide system will die, and out of it's destruction a religious order, or religion which the entire world will accept will come into being.

Revelation 17:6 "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration [wonder]."

Revelation 17:7 "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age. Friend, "he" spoken of here, is Satan, and don't let any one tell you any different. Satan is the "son of perdition" as recorded in II Thessalonians 2:1-4, and he will be the first Christ to come at the end of this earth age.

"Perdition" means to "perish", and only Satan has had that sentence passed on him at this time. We are told that those "whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world", [that first earth age], will wonder, or follow after Satan. They fell in the first earth age, and they will also fall in this earth age. Those of who were chosen in that first earth age stood against Satan then, and they will also stand now. They are God's elect.
When the last of the elect, and the 144,000 of Israel are sealed, then Satan will arrive as the Antichrist. This age is a repeat of the first earth age. Now, what about the other Christians? They will follow false doctrine, and go into Satan's camp. The deception will cover the whole earth, yet the truth is in your hands to forewarn those around you in this generation.

There will be no equal to the deceptions that are going to come, in the history of all mankind. Yet the sermons of today are full of nonsense, with no sense of urgency given even as this great hour of deception is at our doorstep.

Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

If you understand God's prophecy, then you have "wisdom". The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan created by those working for him, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

 

[Osgiliath]

What you anticipate as a future event n2thelight has actually been in your midst, and right under your nose for your entire life, and has been going strong for almost 2,000 years.


Revelation 13:11 "And I saw another beast ascending up from the earth, and it had two horns, like a lamb; and it spake as a dragon."

As the above verse states, this beast is characterized as a beast that has two horns like a LAMB ['looks like' the Lamb Of God - i.e. - looks Christian], BUT it spake as a DRAGON [but it 'spake' as that old serpent, the DRAGON, called the devil, and Satan (Revelation 13:11, 12:9). "Horns" in Bible prophecy denote dominion, power, authority, or kingship, so this unholy power has a "two-fold" dominion. This beast is later called "the false prophet" (Revelation 19:20; 20:10). This beast with the "two horns like a lamb" denotes a two-fold (Catholic and Protestant) religious power which professes to be the true representative of the Lamb of God in the world. It pretends to be harmless, meek, mild, inoffensive, nonagressive like a lamb and has many professions of cleanliness, purity, holiness, sanctity, and godliness, but notwithstanding all of these, it spake AS A DRAGON.

This is a theocratic BEAST, a belief system, that derives its power from the dragon, rooted in the carnal mind of carnal man - the man of sin in the Temple - WHICH TEMPLE YOU ARE), organized into a massive kingdom of darkness, error, and superstition which MASQUERADES AS CHRIST'S KINGDOM.


2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

This verse of scripture above is a perfect description of all of the churches of Babylon The Great The Mother Of Harlots And Of The Abominations Of The Earth (Orthodox Christendom).



2 Timothy 1:15 "This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia [the 7 churches from the 2nd & 3rd chapters of Revelation] be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."


Just as "all in Asia," had all turned their backs on the doctrine of God's apostle Paul even before he died, they were also rejecting the apostle John before he died:

3 John 1:9 "I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not."


And just how embedded in the church was this heretic Diotrephes?

3 John 1:10 "Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church."


What so few realize is that these verses were penned because the "historical orthodox" takeover of the church was complete even before the apostles died:

Acts 20:27 "For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."


And of what was it that Paul was warning them? What was it that brought Paul to tears as he warned the churches?:

1 Timothy 4:16 "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."


"Some shall depart from the faith" in the verse above are the "many called" of the following verse:

Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

But what are these "latter times?" Is this an allusion to some event two thousand years in the future? Or was this an assertion that this was an immediate threat? What did Christ’s apostles consider as the latter days?:

1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."


The "falling away" (apostasy) was an accomplished fact before the apostles were even dead!

 

[Stormcrow]

Kenites

"Serpent seed" theology? Really???

From the TOS:

2.2: No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed:

You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation, Universal Salvation, Serpent seed, Dual Seed or Two-Seedline doctrine which are only allowed in the 1 on 1 Debate Forum. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests.

I move for an immediate deletion of this thread.

 

[n2thelight]

"Serpent seed" theology? Really???

From the TOS:

2.2: No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed:

You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation, Universal Salvation, Serpent seed, Dual Seed or Two-Seedline doctrine which are only allowed in the 1 on 1 Debate Forum. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests.

I move for an immediate deletion of this thread.

Is the word Kenite,not in the Bible?I no the rules,and nowhere did I post anything about the serpent seed,so why don't you get a grip!!!!!

Or are you saying none of the verses below should ever be used on this forum

Numbers 24:22 (KJV) Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.
Judges 4:17 (KJV) Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.
1 Samuel 15:6 (KJV) And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
Numbers 24:21 (KJV) And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
Judges 5:24 (KJV) Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.
1 Samuel 27:10 (KJV) And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites.
1 Chronicles 2:55 (KJV) And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
<LI class=last-child>Judges 1:16 (KJV) And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

 

[Stormcrow]

The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan created by the Kenites

You didn't use the term "Kenites" as it appears in the verses you cited, you applied it to a passage of Revelation where it doesn't belong! The above is your own, unique interpretation of Revelation based on Kenite or "serpent seed" theology!

I would post the definition of the Kenite/serpent seed doctrine here, but that would violate the TOS, just as your use of it has!

 

[JCitoL]

"babylon" is the human(666) religion/spirituality (viz. which is not of the true God), or the striving of (the) human to rule spiritually others as a God, namely this is actually the sin from the beginning, according to the written:

Genesis 3:1-7 "Now the serpent(i.e. and lo, the devil came from the "darkness", and it) was more subtil than any beast(i.e. than any thing/entity) of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of(i.e. which is beyond) the garden(viz. the "tree" which to the humans is occultism/esotericism), God hath said, Ye shall not eat of(i.e. you shall not follow) it, neither shall ye touch(i.e. neither shall you explore) it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes(i.e. your occult/yogic perceptions/senses) shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil(i.e. and you shall be as the God Himself, viz. with omniscience and omnipotence like Him). And when the woman saw that the tree was(i.e. that the forbidden "tree" ostensibly looked) good for food, and that it was(i.e. and that it ostensibly looked) pleasant to the eyes(i.e. to the human mind), and a tree to be desired to make one wise(i.e. to make the human being omniscience and omnipotence), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes(i.e. and the occult/yogic perceptions/senses) of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked(i.e. and from that moment on they began to perceive the Creation of God as shameful/sinful); and they sewed fig leaves(i.e. and they found (great) false spiritual knowledge) together, and made themselves aprons(i.e. and made themselves human(666) religion/spirituality starting defile the Creations of God with it).",

Genesis 11:1-9 "And the whole earth was of one language(i.e. of a human faith), and of one speech(i.e. and of a human doctrine). And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east(i.e. and when the unrighteous people willing to exercise faith started to be believers), that they found a plain in the land of Shinar(i.e. then they went in the direction of doubletongued faith); and they dwelt(i.e. settled down) there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick(i.e. human ordinances of faith), and burn(i.e. and spiritualize) them thoroughly. And they had brick(i.e. and they used human commandments of faith) for stone(i.e. instead of God's commandments), and slime(i.e. and human doctrine) had they for morter(i.e. instead of God's doctrine). And they said, Go to, let us build us a city(i.e. a human religion) and a tower(i.e. even a sublime spirituality), whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name(i.e. a power), lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth(i.e. so as to obtain and always to have a spoil). And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men(i.e. which the unrighteous clerics/worshipers/believers) builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one(i.e. they are in the direction of unrighteous faith), and they have all one language(i.e. a human faith i.e. instead the faith of God); and this they begin to do(viz. religious/spiritual iniquity): and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do(viz. in this their direction of unrighteous faith/spirituality/religion). Go to, let us go down, and there confound(or: foil) their language(i.e. their unrighteous faith), that they may not understand(i.e. perceive/accept) one another's speech(i.e. doctrine). So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel(i.e. confusion/mess); because the LORD did there confound the language(i.e. the unrighteous faith/spirituality/religion) of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.",

Isaiah 1:21-23 "How is the faithful city become an harlot(i.e. how the faith is become a religious/spiritual iniquity?)! it was full of judgment(i.e. of good treatment); righteousness(i.e. perfect love) lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver(i.e. your word) is become dross(i.e. foul), thy wine(i.e. your grace) mixed with water(i.e. with inefficiency): Thy princes(i.e. your spiritual servants) are rebellious(i.e. are enemies of God('s truth)), and companions of thieves(i.e. and assistants of devils/demons): every one loveth gifts(i.e. self-interests), and followeth after rewards(i.e. offerings): they judge not the fatherless(i.e. they are not solicitous about the good to the infidel people), neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them(i.e. neither about the redemption to the dropped out clerics/believers).(see James 1:26-27)",

Revelation 17:1-18 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore(i.e. of the religious/spiritual inquity) that sitteth upon many waters(i.e. that has many denominations/creeds): With whom the kings of the earth(i.e. the unrighteous clerics) have committed fornication(i.e. iniquity in the faith), and the inhabitants of the earth(i.e. and the unrighteous worshipers) have been made drunk(i.e. bad) with the wine(i.e. with the benediction) of her fornication(i.e. of her iniquity). So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness(i.e. into the place of desolation - Matthew 24:15): and I saw a woman(i.e. a religious/spiritual activity) sit upon(i.e. based on) a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple(i.e. she exercised great power from universal scale) and scarlet colour(i.e. and offered many privileges to her followers), and decked with gold(i.e. and had great glory) and precious stones and pearls(i.e. and sophisticated human commandments and doctrines of faith), having a golden cup(i.e. a great judgement) in her hand full of abominations and filthiness(i.e. full of unrighteousness and impurity) of her fornication(i.e. of her iniquity): And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY(i.e. the occult), BABYLON THE GREAT(i.e. the human(666) religion/spirituality), THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS(i.e. the mother of all unrighteous/bad clerics/worshipers and villains) AND ABOMINATIONS(i.e. and of all evils/iniquities/affections/afflictions) OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with(i.e. and i saw that she sheds and parasitizes of) the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration(viz. i wondered, how can the considered for the greatest sanctuary on the part of so many people to be the cause of all evils)..... And the woman which thou sawest is that great city(i.e. the unrighteous religious/spiritual kingdom), which reigneth over the kings(i.e. over the clerics/worshipers) of the earth(i.e. of the unrighteousness).",

Revelation 18:1-24 "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great(i.e. the unrighteous religion/spirituality) is fallen, is fallen, and is become(i.e. because it is exactly) the habitation(i.e. the kingdom) of devils, and the hold(i.e. and the kingdom) of every foul spirit, and a cage(i.e. and the kingdom) of every unclean and hateful bird(i.e. of every impure and unrighteous elevation and grandeur). For all nations have drunk of the wine(i.e. of the affections) of the wrath(i.e. of the mastership) of her fornication(i.e. of her iniquity), and the kings of the earth(i.e. and the unrighteous clerics) have committed fornication(i.e. iniquity) with her, and the merchants of the earth(i.e. and the unrighteous worshipers/believers) are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities..... the voice of harpers(i.e. of eulogists), and musicians(i.e. and prophets), and of pipers(i.e. and of witnesses), and trumpeters(i.e. and preachers), shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman(i.e. and no wise man), of whatsoever craft he be(i.e. of whatever human(666) creed (it) may be), shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone(i.e. and the unrighteous religious/spiritual activity) shall be heard(i.e. shall worked) no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle(i.e. of a luminary) shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom(or: of a spiritual master/teacher) and of the bride(or: and of a disciple/proselyte) shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants(i.e. because your spiritual servants) were the great men of the earth(i.e. the great servants of the unrighteousness); for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth(i.e. and in her was found the evils which was inflicted to the prophets, and to the saints, and to all affected/suffered people in general)."

the beastly(666) religion/spirituality is called "whore" because all things in it are inverse, so that the sex, the physical sense activities and the Creation of God in general which should be harmless are regarded as sinful, while the original sin which is the spiritual/religious iniquity is regarded as holy

Blessings

 

[Stormcrow]

"babylon" is the human(666) religion/spirituality (viz. which is not of the true God), or the striving of (the) human to rule spiritually others as a God, namely this is actually the sin from the beginning, according to the written:

This is not the context in which John is using the term "Babylon."

 

[n2thelight]

You didn't use the term "Kenites" as it appears in the verses you cited, you applied it to a passage of Revelation where it doesn't belong! The above is your own, unique interpretation of Revelation based on Kenite or "serpent seed" theology!

I would post the definition of the Kenite/serpent seed doctrine here, but that would violate the TOS, just as your use of it has!

"She" is the religion of Satan created by those working for him, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

Is that better?????

 

[Stormcrow]

"She" is the religion of Satan created by those working for him, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

Is that better?????

Nope. Because it remains as untrue as your original wording.

 

[n2thelight]

Nope. Because it remains as untrue as your original wording.

Oh well,that's your problem,not mine!!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

Oh well,that's your problem,not mine!!!!

It is your problem if you're spreading falsehoods and junk doctrine.

 

[Stormcrow]

Here is the truth about Revelation 17, which I posted in a much earlier thread:

The symbolism of Revelation 17 couldn't be clearer, and it has nothing to do with the RCC [or any other modern religion, either!]:

judgment of the great harlot Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

Is a direct allusion to the idolatry of Israel, Judah, and Jerusalem:

How the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers. Isaiah 1:21 (NASB)

"For long ago I broke your [Judah's] yoke And tore off your bonds; But you said, 'I will not serve!' For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot. Jeremiah 2:20 (NASB)

While Israel remained at ****tim, the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. Numbers 25:1 (NASB)

The allusion to harlotry in Revelation 17:1 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church [or any other modern religion, either!]!

who sits on many waters Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

This is a direct reference to the prophecy of Balaam, which he spoke over the camp of Israel:

How fair are your tents, O Jacob, Your dwellings, O Israel! "Like valleys that stretch out, Like gardens beside the river, Like aloes planted by the LORD, Like cedars beside the waters. "Water will flow from his buckets, And his seed will be by many waters, And his king shall be higher than Agag, And his kingdom shall be exalted. Numbers 24:5-7 (NASB)

By the time John wrote Revelation, Israel was scattered throughout the entire known world!

James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings. James 1:1 (NASB)

Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5 (NASB)

Again, Revelation 17 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church [or any other modern religion, either!]!

In verse 1 alone we see to whom this chapter is directed, and John continues the use of these references throughout the chapter! I could go on, but really: why bother?

Most people aren't interested in sound exegesis. They just want their itching ears tickled.

 

[King James]

Stormcrow, seems like some interesting acrobatics to avoid talking about mystery babylon and the fact that there are more references from isaiah's and jeremiah's future babylon that would exist in the end times with the bood of revelation's babylon. Anyone that actually reads it will have no doubt that a real tangible land is being described.

 

[smaller]

Is the word Kenite,not in the Bible?I no the rules,and nowhere did I post anything about the serpent seed,so why don't you get a grip!!!!!

Or are you saying none of the verses below should ever be used on this forum

Numbers 24:22 (KJV) Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.
Judges 4:17 (KJV) Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.
1 Samuel 15:6 (KJV) And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
Numbers 24:21 (KJV) And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
Judges 5:24 (KJV) Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.
1 Samuel 27:10 (KJV) And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites.
1 Chronicles 2:55 (KJV) And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
<LI class=last-child>Judges 1:16 (KJV) And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

I have had to deal with your form of theology in my family. 3 close family members were 'sucked' into that cultist teaching including my own father.

We are to know how many 'men' after the flesh?

NONE.

That alone should turn any believers eyes OFF of the flesh of other men.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The promotion of every Pharisee teacher is this:

'Thank God I am not like other men....' Luke 18:11

You know, like them 'kennities!!!'

Sure. Door to door insulation salesmen. Nothing more.

There same strays are always made. It's always the 'other' flesh man, but surely not I Lord? No, not me Lord.

s

 

[Osgiliath]

I have had to deal with your form of theology in my family. 3 close family members were 'sucked' into that cultist teaching including my own father.

We are to know how many 'men' after the flesh?

NONE.

That alone should turn any believers eyes OFF of the flesh of other men.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The promotion of every Pharisee teacher is this:

'Thank God I am not like other men....' Luke 18:11

You know, like them 'kennities!!!'

Sure. Door to door insulation salesmen. Nothing more.

There same strays are always made. It's always the 'other' flesh man, but surely not I Lord? No, not me Lord.

s

Yes, I have known a few who subscribe to that doctrine as well. It's all part of the countless confusing doctrines within Babylon the Great.


The "seed of the serpent" and "of your father the devil" are spiritual statements which have nothing to do with spirits having sex with women. All men are "in Adam."

1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."


Eve is the mother of "all living."

Those who subscribe to the 'physical' serpent's seed doctrine distort "Eve is the mother of ALL living" to mean that; "since Eve was the ancestor of Christ through Mary, Eve is the mother of all living - because if you're not 'in Christ,' you're not living." But of course, that is a subtle manipulation of Scripture. The truth is:

Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of ALL living."


Being the "seed of the serpent" has to do with "who you yield yourselves to obey." Christ admits that the Jews of His day were "Abraham's seed," yet in the same breath, He tells them that "Ye are of your father the Devil."

John 8:30 "As he spake these words, many believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews WHICH BELIEVED ON HIM, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed."


All this was said by Jesus to "those which believed on Him, and to those HE KNEW were Abraham's Seed."

There is a world of difference between "believing on Christ" and "continuing in His Word." As it is to this day, it is "those...which believe on Christ" who still seek to kill God's elect. As you become aware of God's Truth, as you stand for God's Truth, you will find that you, too, will be persecuted for doing good:

2 Timothy 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."


So what did Christ tell "those Jews which believed on Him?" Remember, Jesus is speaking to "those Jews who BELIEVED ON HIM":

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews WHICH BELIEVED ON HIM, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed."

John 8:37 "I know that ye are Abraham's seed [not Satan's seed - Abraham's seed - i.e. - Adam's seed]; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning [the devil was a murderer from the BEGINNING - he was not a sinless cherub or angel in the beginning], and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


What makes one a son of the devil has nothing to do with physical begetting or physical birth. It was "Abraham's seed" who Christ says are "of their father the devil." What made them "of their father the devil?"

"Ye do the deeds of your father." And again: "the lusts of your father ye will do." That is what constitutes the "seed of the serpent" and makes one "of your father the devil." Being "the seed of the woman" or "of Abraham" likewise has to do with "doing the works of Abraham." It is all spiritual.

It has nothing to do with physical descent. All are of Adam, and Eve is the mother of all living.

We are all the seed of the serpent before we are the seed of the woman, just as surely as we are all the first Adam before we are the second Adam.





As far as the "man of sin" the "son of perdition."

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."


What Paul is telling these Thessalonians is that "the day of the Lord" will not come to any of us until we come to see the man of sin sitting within us on Christ's throne "in the temple of God." Paul's definition of "the temple of God" did not vary from epistle to epistle:

1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1 Corinthians 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

2 Corinthians 6:16 "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."


Where had Paul learned this? Paul, just like John, learned it "by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul knew that Christ had said that the kingdom of God was "within YOU."

Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

Galatians 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."


If we say anything within the revelation of Jesus Christ, it will always be in accord with the words of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Timothy 6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ , and to the doctrine which is according to godliness."



So where is this beast/man of sin/son of perdition? He is sitting in the temple of God declaring that he is God. And while the natural man naturally looks without to see dispensational, eschatological, external events in the world all around him (in the past, present, or future), the man who walks in the Spirit has eyes to see and ears to hear what the Scriptures say:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple YOU ARE."

Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

Ecclesiastes 3:18 "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves ARE BEASTS."

 

[Stormcrow]

Stormcrow, seems like some interesting acrobatics to avoid talking about mystery babylon and the fact that there are more references from isaiah's and jeremiah's future babylon that would exist in the end times with the bood of revelation's babylon. Anyone that actually reads it will have no doubt that a real tangible land is being described.

I have no idea whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with what I wrote. Care to clarify your point? Because I can literally break every symbolic word in Revelation 17 down and show you its OT analog to demonstrate that John is, in fact, describing Jerusalem and its priesthood here as "mystery Babylon."

 

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What Paul is telling these Thessalonians is that "the day of the Lord" will not come to any of us until we come to see the man of sin sitting within us on Christ's throne "in the temple of God." Paul's definition of "the temple of God" did not vary from epistle to epistle:

Indeed. None of us can say 'we have no sin' and be 'in Truth.'

Where then is that man of sin but in our own temple/body?

The body does in fact DIE because of SIN. In Christ we consider this matter as a foregone fact, even while yet alive in the body temple/temporal.

Romans 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Paul also spoke of the continuing degradation of the man of the flesh, and the also continuing uplifting of the inner or spiritual man, He Himself.

2 Corinthians 4:16
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Where had Paul learned this? Paul, just like John, learned it "by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul knew that Christ had said that the kingdom of God was "within YOU."

Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

Galatians 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

If we say anything within the revelation of Jesus Christ, it will always be in accord with the words of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Timothy 6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ , and to the doctrine which is according to godliness."

Yes, it is quite utterly pointless to grasp at the proverbial straws of judgment without taking a simple honest look at 'ourselves.'

Kennites? To what purpose is there to denigrate any other person on the basis of their flesh when we also are in the same situation? It's quite pointless. We as believers see a little better, supposedly. Not much more than that. And to what purpose than to express the Love of God in our own hearts to all other flesh men? Knowing that God is the Owner of 'all things.'

There are many principles that will play into these matters to show God as the Ever Living and Present One.

For example, those who remain under the impetus of the froward within themselves, God will in fact show Himself froward to them. That is where they will be led to see, even by God.

Psalm 18:26
With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

To those who are led in and by honesty to take a look into their own temple, God will show His Wisdom in our 'present' construction, and these will not denigrate any man. To denigrate any man is to also denigrate ourselves, and to show that we do not see much if anything.

So where is this beast/man of sin/son of perdition? He is sitting in the temple of God declaring that he is God. And while the natural man naturally looks without to see dispensational, eschatological, external events in the world all around him (in the past, present, or future), the man who walks in the Spirit has eyes to see and ears to hear what the Scriptures say:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple YOU ARE."

Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."

Ecclesiastes 3:18 "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves ARE BEASTS."

At some point we may have a discussion about the 'spirit' of the anti-Christ. I can not say these are our fellow man, even though that 'working' is technically within all of us. There our temples are all defiled, but not by 'us' per se. The flesh is and remains subject to that 'other working' which is a working of DEVILS.

So, as it pertains to this thread and Mystery Babylon, we are told abundantly and clearly who the harlot is to a tee. Yet believers still strain at these matters thinking it to be Rome or Jerusalem or the anti-Christ being this or that man.

The fact is it is a present working upon the 'whole' world and the 'system' of wickedness and evil and the whole world has been immersed in from the beginning of this age:

Rev. 18:
And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

If we stopped right here and considered we 'all' have sin and sin is of the DEVIL, seeing 'where' Mystery Babylon is, that great WHORE, it is not very far from 'home' is it?

We tend not to care much to see ourselves as that Whore as it pertains to what is currently abiding in our FLESH temples.

It is in fact quite a horrendous DISclosure to say the least. But the fact DOES provide this impetus to us all:

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Scriptures do provide us a 'present path' out of this dilemma and situation. We do in fact REIGN OVER that working on the grounds set forth in the scriptures:

Romans 13:
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

I would suggest that LOVING KENNITES would be in order rather than slurring them.

And in this we also put off THE WORKS OF DARKESS, knowing the situation of ALL UNbelievers:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Nearly everyone has a myriad of various sensationalisms involved in their 'end time' views.

The fact of the matter is that the full extent of our present walk in Him and to overcome is simply to LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS as ourselves.

And into that walk we will find and bid our own 'long goodnight' to the works of our own darkness and entrance INTO PRESENT HEAVEN.

Not all that difficult. That is if GOD in Christ is in us to do so.

Getting all worked up in various form of fear mongering on these matters is just not all that beneficial.

Paul admitted before all of us that he had 'evil present' with him, even a devil in his own flesh.

Pity that believers just can't seem to bring themselves into that honest sight, even with AN APOSTOLIC EXAMPLE.

s

 

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concerning the four beast that rise from the earth, important to note that the fifth kingdom is the one that Jesus rules and reigns, with that being said what is the kingdom of God, It is a spiritual kingdom manifested by real people who are apart of every nation with no borders and boundries

thus I contend the four kingdoms that rise from the earth will be spiritual kingdoms that rise out of the four literal human empires mentioned in Daniel

starting with Babylon as the first, as it derives its name from the historical town of Babel, the first recorded center for false religion on the earth