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National Israel is cursed forever !

smaller said:
I've seen many a christian website recently getting rolled over by the spirits of anti-semitism. People who hate monger Jews are gonna get real sick inside, real soon as that hatred takes over their minds and hearts.

It is a tar baby that won't let go.

s
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This thread is not anti semitism, for God Loves some jewish people and will save some.
 
smaller said:
God loves some jewish people eh? I thought your thread said they are all cursed forever?

So you'd revise to only 'some' being cursed forever?
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Elijah here. I don't think that was what was said or implid at all? Old Israel are now all dead. Some even then were the leaders of the Acts Church. Matt. 10:5-6 & verse 15 for all others. The choice was given them then as is given us today as in Rev, 18:4. (but these Rev. 17:1-5 are not the ones with the Virgin Doctrines as was Old Israel in Isa. 5:3 ignorant choice + verse 7 for God's Vineyard House!)

And as was the [Virgin HOUSE] indeed cut off, (Matt. 25:10's Closed door of probation) so is another Virgin House today. Eccl. 3:15 applies to all church's. Israels HOUSE had & will have again a REMNANT to accept Christ. If Christ can be BELIEVED, and here are His Inspired Words of Rev. 2:4-5 for Christ's ex/bride as a Church House CANDLESTICK..

[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

And they who stayed put, (yoked together) were all Partakers and died such.

So surely, what was meant by the other guy, is the same as these Words of God mean.. that the HOUSE CANDLESTICH WAS FOREVER REMOVED. Remember that it was their leadership that cried that 'WE have NO KING BUT CAESAR'. And again, What Is New God asks? Eccl. 3:15
 
Elijah674 said:
Elijah here. I don't think that was what was said or implid at all? Old Israel are now all dead. Some even then were the leaders of the Acts Church. Matt. 10:5-6 & verse 15 for all others. The choice was given them then as is given us today as in Rev, 18:4. (but these Rev. 17:1-5 are not the ones with the Virgin Doctrines as was Old Israel in Isa. 5:3 ignorant choice + verse 7 for God's Vineyard House!)
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Choice? Which of them chose to be Jewish? lol

Which of them chose themselves to be free of sin? Which of them could have stopped God Himself from binding them to disobedience in thought, word or deed? Have you thought yourself FREE of such facts? I can't honestly say that my choice has bought me freedom from the workings of sin in thought, word or deed. We can't even SAY 'we have no sin' and be IN TRUTH.
And as was the [Virgin HOUSE] indeed cut off, (Matt. 25:10's Closed door of probation) so is another Virgin House today. Eccl. 3:15 applies to all church's. Israels HOUSE had & will have again a REMNANT to accept Christ. If Christ can be BELIEVED, and here are His Inspired Words of Rev. 2:4-5 for Christ's ex/bride as a Church House CANDLESTICK..
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Ex bride? Lol. Headlines in galaxy news! God breaks off His engagements! Finds FLAW in BRIDE!

Were we not ALL once blinded by the 'god of this world?' Can we not get blinded again after we 'believe?'

God can break off ANY defective branch, particularly when they BRAG against those so broken off! (Romans 11)

Be NOT highminded, but FEAR is the advice of Paul.

Why? Because we STILL HAVE SIN and that sin IS connected to the DEVIL.

Has the devil stopped being YOUR ADVERSARY? Has the DEVIL stopped putting TEMPTATION THOUGHTS into your MIND? When did THOSE THOUGHTS stop being SIN?

[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

And they who stayed put, (yoked together) were all Partakers and died such.

So surely, what was meant by the other guy, is the same as these Words of God mean.. that the HOUSE CANDLESTICH WAS FOREVER REMOVED. Remember that it was their leadership that cried that 'WE have NO KING BUT CAESAR'. And again, What Is New God asks? Eccl. 3:15
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I've read some of your stuff and you appear to be a long ways into some stuff that doesn't make much sense, but that is just my opinion. No offense intended. I just see positions, not the person carrying them as the same. They are only teachings that some carry.

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Promises Made to Abraham: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever. Gen. 13:14,15

What does FOREVER mean?

Abraham lived nearly two thousand years before Jesus Christ in a place called Ur of the Chaldees. According to archaeology it was a city of no mean standing in the ancient world, enjoying a prosperous life style. However it was an idolatrous society. It was here that God appeared to Abraham and invited him to leave his country, his people and his family (Genesis 12:1). In return for his obedience God made certain promises to Abraham. We will discuss these shortly, sufficient to say at this point that none of the promises could be realized without Abraham having an heir. Unfortunately he was childless and seventy five years old.

The quality of Abraham’s faith is evident in the way he approached his dilemma, the Bible records that "He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief: but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform" (Romans 4:20-21). Abraham believed that God could do what was humanly impossible and he demonstrated his faith by responding with affirmative action and leaving Ur.

Is it any wonder then that Abraham is given such prominence in the Bible? Because of his faith Abraham, will become the "heir of the world" (Romans 4:13). And not only that, but everyone who is prepared to manifest the same quality of faith will receive the same reward. We read, "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham" (Galatians 3:9).

The Importance of the Promises

We should not underestimate the importance of this man and the promises he received. Time and again the Bible directs our attention to the gospel preached unto Abraham. Consider the following verses:

"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers" (Romans 15:8).

"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust" (2 Peter 1:4).

"And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).

From these verses we learn the following: the ministry and sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ confirmed, or ratified, the promises God made to the Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These promises provide the basis for eternal life and the opportunity to enjoy the promises is possible only by belonging to Jesus Christ.

What Abraham Was Promised

The Substance of the Promises

Beginning at Ur, God revealed His promises to Abraham over a period of fifty years. Each time further details of God’s promise were added or expanded upon. The following verses provide a comprehensive summary:

"And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great, and thou shalt be a blessing. And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed". (Genesis 12:2-3).

"And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him" (Genesis 12:7).

"And (God) said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore, and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice" (Genesis 22:16-18).

Yeshua is a Jew, who shall be King of the earth in the future.
All the Apostles are Jews and are promised to sit on twelve thrones on the earth.
Yeshua says see Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom in the future.

To be contd.............................
 
elvis

Promises Made to Abraham: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever. Gen. 13:14,15

What does FOREVER mean?
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Thats the seed of Abraham according to the everlasting covenant to Him as a Father of many Nations:

Gen 17:


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God

So, the land of Canaan was to All Abraham's seed of the Many Nations vs 5 He was made the Father of.

That was not a promise to ethnic jews, but to Abraham's seed according to Promise.

The Land of Canaan that Abraham looked for as an everlasting inheritance, from the promise was not earthly but heavenly and Spiritual.

Heb 11:

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.


14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

It was a heavenly Canaan, not a earthly Canaan. This promise was given to Abraham while yet in uncircumcision !

It was not a ethnic jewish promise, but only God can undeceive you, if its His will.
 
The Hope of Israel !

Acts 20:

20For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Have you ever wondered why Paul spoke these words in that it is clear from other scripture that he was specifically designated by God to be a messenger to the gentiles ?

Acts 9:

15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

22:

21And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

rom 11:

13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


rom 15:

16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Gal 1:

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal 2:

2And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

eph 3:

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Was preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ the same as preaching the hope of Israel ? Yes.

1 tim 2:

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2 tim 4:

17Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Also, as an messenger to the gentiles foremost, He was an able minister of the New Covenant per 2 cor 3:

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament[covenant]; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Were the gentiles to partake of the New Covenant with the house of Israel ?

The answer to these questions are quite simple, the call of the gentiles and the hope of Israel are one and the same, the same gospel, the same hope rom 1:

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The Gospel that Paul preached, the hope of Israel that Paul preached is the same to the Jew First and also to the greek.

eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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Re: The Hope of Israel !

savedbygrace57 said:
Acts 20:

20For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Have you ever wondered why Paul spoke these words in that it is clear from other scripture that he was specifically designated by God to be a messenger to the gentiles ?

Acts 9:

15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

22:

21And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

rom 11:

13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


rom 15:

16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Gal 1:

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal 2:

2And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

eph 3:

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Was preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ the same as preaching the hope of Israel ? Yes.

1 tim 2:

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2 tim 4:

17Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Also, as an messenger to the gentiles foremost, He was an able minister of the New Covenant per 2 cor 3:

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament[covenant]; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Were the gentiles to partake of the New Covenant with the house of Israel ?

The answer to these questions are quite simple, the call of the gentiles and the hope of Israel are one and the same, the same gospel, the same hope rom 1:

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The Gospel that Paul preached, the hope of Israel that Paul preached is the same to the Jew First and also to the greek.

eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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Simply a very good post! (+ Eternal Gospel! Rev. 14:6)
 
New Covenant economy

In the New Covenant economy, brought in by the blood of Christ and the coming of the Holy Ghost, the chosen, redeemed and regenerated Gentiles and Jews [ That believe] are partakers of God's promises [fellow heirs] in Christ by the Gospel. The Gentile believers and the Jewish believers are fellow partakers of God's promises given in the OT, concerning all the blessings of God's New Covenant i.e Jer 31:

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This should be quite easy to see since the New Covenant directed to Israel vs 31 is confirmed by the New Covenant or Testament in Christ
blood

Matt 26:

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now ask yourself, is the New Covenant blood of Christ limited to only ethnic jews ? By no means, for this same blood is shed for the Church of God acts 20:28.

This simply means that the Church of God and the House of Israel in Jer 31:31 are one and the same, the one and the same blood is shed for both. There is no wall of partition dividing down through the blood of Christ, saying this side is for The House of Israel, and this side is for the Church of God, no, for they are one and the same, all are the seed of Abraham, manifested by Faith in Christ gal 3:

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham [Israel].


Remember, whether naturally or Spiritually, the House of Israel is the children of Abraham, Abraham's seed.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed [Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
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