National Israel is cursed forever !

[savedbygrace57]

More on the hope of Israel

Acts 28:

20For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

This is not a hope diverse from the hope of the Gospel col 1:

5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Was not Abraham's hope on Heaven ? heb 11:

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

That word for desire is a strong one, it is the greek word
oregō which means:

to stretch one's self out in order to touch or to grasp something, to reach after or desire something

To covet after.

Abraham, and the others Isaac and Jacob had their minds set on the hope of the Gospel.

Thats because God God preached unto Him the same Gospel that Paul preached unto the gentiles gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The Promise God to Abraham " in you shall all the nations be blessed" was the gospel just as much as 1 cor 15:1-4 is.

Now This gospel was preached to and believed by Abraham before the actual in time death of Christ took place as well as before the establishment of the Nation of Israel, and the giving of the Law through Moses. see rom 4:11-17 and gal 3:16-ff.

What God promised Abraham has been accomplished through Christ, which is the fulfillment of His promise to Abraham per acts 13:

30But God raised him from the dead:

31And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.

32And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

34And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 3:

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. cp with:

Gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed

Now tell me if the same Gospel that peter preached to the jews in acts 3, does not apply to gentiles as well in gal 3:8 ? In acts peter calls it the Covenant which God made with the Fathers and in Gal Paul calls it the Gospel that declared that God would justify the heathen [ gentile] through Faith.

So hence we have the connection and symmetry of the church, transition from the old covenant to the new covenant through the abrahamic promises, the economy continues with dealing of Abraham's seed, and having nothing to do with the Law of Moses or the National Covenant with Israel, for remember, God's promise to Abraham gen 12, was before the National Mosaic Covenant, and that is why Paul writes Gal 3:

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
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[Elvispelvis]

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

To say that Israel is cursed for ever is naive at best. Wish ful thinking perhaps , outright disregard
for the old testament teaching for sure.

Gen 13 15 blessed for ever is the actual scripture, where do you
get that they are cursed for ever?

Yeshua is a Jew who will be King of the earth, how is that a curse?

The apostles are promised twelve thrones as Kings, how is that a curse.?

Abraham was promised the land of Israel in the future, how is that a curse?

Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

This is the future! The old testament is full of future events !

The people all over the world claim outloud that the Jews are blessed by God.

Where do you get your facts from ?

King David was promised eternal life ,how is that a curse?

All the writers of the new testament are Jews who are promised eternal life , how is that a curse?

You have strange ideas about the Jews!!

Please study the old testament.
C ya

 

[Elvispelvis]

savedbygrace57 said'

So, the land of Canaan was to All Abraham's seed of the Many Nations vs 5 He was made the Father of.

That was not a promise to ethnic jews, but to Abraham's seed according to Promise.

The Land of Canaan that Abraham looked for as an everlasting inheritance, from the promise was not earthly but heavenly and Spiritual.

Elvis said:

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Gen 13:17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

Why would you twist these verses for you own purposes and take clear literal language and say that
He made Abraham walk through the actual land , which took Abraham years to complete yet you say
he does not get the land on earth like God clearly teaches and Abraham obviously believed, yet you say
the land is not on earth.

The bilbe teaches the MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH .
Yet you say Abraham
inherits a faraway place.
Yehua is a Jew who inherits the throne of His father KING DAVID.
That throne is in Jerusalem on the earth.

1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon [shall be] blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.
Have you never read this?

1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon [shall be] blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Jer 17:25 Then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.

Jer 22:2 And say, Hear the word of the LORD, O king of Judah, that sittest upon the throne of David, thou, and thy servants, and thy people that enter in by these gates:

Jer 22:4 For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people.

Christains are astray from old testament teachings.

Please study the old testament

 

[savedbygrace57]

elvis:

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

And that Land that Abraham looked for as a result of this promise was not literial land.

Heb 11:


8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Not literial land !:


14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country [Land] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

But :

16But now they desire a better country [Land], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Abraham, Issac and Jacob were not thinking about the earthly land or country of canaan, for they considered themselves pilgrims and strangers on earth:

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

You just do not have the same Faith that Abraham had, you are carnal trying to understand something spiritual !

It will never work !

 

[stovebolts]

Elvis and SavedbyGrace,

Please adhere to our TOS.

5 - Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

While I am not issuing an infraction at this time, please know that if these types of bantering continues infractions will be issued. 3 infractions and your account could be suspended for a period of time.

Thanks,

Grace and Peace.

 

[Elvispelvis]

Your right, sorry, I crossed the line, when I read it now, I would like to take some things back

Sin cerley Craig

 

[savedbygrace57]

Gen 13:

15For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

and Gen 17:

8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Many have taken these scriptures to be speaking of literal land, but they are not. Yes, the literal land did typify what God was actually conveying to the God given Faith of Abraham.

In actuality, God was telling Abraham that He would inherit the world Gen 17:

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Paul gives us a commentary of this promise in rom 4:

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.


14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The Promise of the everlasting possession of the land of Canaan Gen 17:8; 13:15

was actually God's promise that he [Abraham] shall be heir of the world [Jn 3:16], and so Paul clears up something here for those of us who have been given eyes to see, and hearts to understand: The promise was not to Abraham or to His Natural seed [rom 4:13] of the law, of the Sinai covenant [ex 20], but to his seed through the righteousness of Faith rom 4:13b;

Gal 3:

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The promise in gen 13:15 & 17:8 are to Abraham and His Spiritual seed, those who believe in Christ. For Abraham's natural seed, at Sinai i.e gal 4:

25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

That seed had no claims to the everlasting promises of God gen 17:8. The natural jews of Israel had no more claim to the promises of God, as Abraham's natural son Ishmael and his handmaid mother:

gal 4:

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

This is basically saying that national Israel of the flesh has no part in the inheritance of Spiritual Israel, those who are believers in Christ !

 

[savedbygrace57]

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

rom 9:

8That is, They [Jews] which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The jews , the children of Abraham born after the flesh, are not the children of God.

Jesus said the same to some of them, jews after the flesh, notice first how Jesus agrees with them that they are the seed of Abraham Jn 8:


37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Now notice just two verses following, Jesus is denying that these same jews are actually children of Abraham vs 39

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Then these racially proud men claim to have God as their Father vs 41

Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we [Jews] have one Father, even God.

But notice Jesus response vs 42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

Now, does it sound like Jesus believed that these jews had God as their Father ? Absolutely not, in fact Jesus tells these descendants of Abraham, that they have the devil [ Not God] as their Father vs

44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. [speaking to natural jews, Abraham's seed according to the flesh]

Folks Jesus, who is God by the way, would not call His own Children, children of the devil.

Jesus is making a distinction between His Father and their Father, His Father being God, and theirs being the Devil as confirmed in vs 44.

Remember, God promised to Abraham that He would be a God to his seed after him in the covenant of promise Gen 17:

7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

And if He is ones God, He is their Father, notice what Jesus says to believers Jn 20:

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So if Jesus is insinuating as He does [ to these ethnic jews, seed of Abraham] that God was not their Father, then they are not the seed of Abraham referred to in Gen 17:7 or any other Abrahamic promises to Him and His seed.

The whole concept of the opposer's is based upon the flesh of Abraham, so therefore they are deceived.

 

[Drew]

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

I have no particular comment at this time re the general issue on the table. So please do not assume that my comments here imply agreement with Mr. 57.

About Genesis 13:15: Here is how this verse is rendered in the Young's Literal Version:

for the whole of the land which thou are seeing, to thee I give it, and to thy seed -- to the age.

Note that this version does not have "forever". And the Hebrew word rendered "forever" does not always mean forever.

Bottom line: There is some question as to the whether the land was promised to the Jews forever. Translation "errors" do occur.

 

[Elijah674]

Gen 13:

15For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

and Gen 17:

8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Many have taken these scriptures to be speaking of literal land, but they are not. Yes, the literal land did typify what God was actually conveying to the God given Faith of Abraham.

In actuality, God was telling Abraham that He would inherit the world Gen 17:

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Paul gives us a commentary of this promise in rom 4:

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.


14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The Promise of the everlasting possession of the land of Canaan Gen 17:8; 13:15

was actually God's promise that he [Abraham] shall be heir of the world [Jn 3:16], and so Paul clears up something here for those of us who have been given eyes to see, and hearts to understand: The promise was not to Abraham or to His Natural seed [rom 4:13] of the law, of the Sinai covenant [ex 20], but to his seed through the righteousness of Faith rom 4:13b;

Gal 3:

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The promise in gen 13:15 & 17:8 are to Abraham and His Spiritual seed, those who believe in Christ. For Abraham's natural seed, at Sinai i.e gal 4:

25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

That seed had no claims to the everlasting promises of God gen 17:8. The natural jews of Israel had no more claim to the promises of God, as Abraham's natural son Ishmael and his handmaid mother:

gal 4:

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

This is basically saying that national Israel of the flesh has no part in the inheritance of Spiritual Israel, those who are believers in Christ !

Hi, Elijah here. One might understand the LAND that is promised was not the problem, but it is the understanding of this that is the problem. Israel's House was left to them an ABOMINATION and D-E-S-O-L-A-T-E. Matt. 23:38 (with a large number of bible verses)

And they are on this land yet. So ones problem comes by not understand WHEN THIS PROMISED LAND will be given unto the Lords Saved ones.

When Christ comes again just before the 1000 years, [ALL] the wicked will be killed by His Glory + all of the angels with Him. The rightous dead only, + the living rightous will all be changed in a moment & twinkling of an eye and will return to heaven for this time/period of 1000 years (1 Cor. 6:2-3) before the New Jerusalem of Rev. 21 is brought back with Christ & all the saved of mankind. And the wicked will then be resurected to die their second death along with satan & crew!

It is then and only then after the Earth + New heavebns are re/created that the Promised Land will have New Jerusalem as its location.

--Elijah

 

[savedbygrace57]

elijah:

Hi, Elijah here. One might understand the LAND that is promised was not the problem, but it is the understanding of this that is the problem. Israel's House was left to them an ABOMINATION and D-E-S-O-L-A-T-E. Matt. 23:38 (with a large number of bible verses)

You ignored all the scripture truth I posted, wow.

 

[Sinthesis]

I have no particular comment at this time re the general issue on the table. So please do not assume that my comments here imply agreement with Mr. 57.

About Genesis 13:15: Here is how this verse is rendered in the Young's Literal Version:

for the whole of the land which thou are seeing, to thee I give it, and to thy seed -- to the age.

Note that this version does not have "forever". And the Hebrew word rendered "forever" does not always mean forever.

Bottom line: There is some question as to the whether the land was promised to the Jews forever. Translation "errors" do occur.

You could read the verse as the land being given to Abraham, but only the "seed" retains possession of it forever.

 

[Drew]

You could read the verse as the land being given to Abraham, but only the "seed" retains possession of it forever.

I guess so. As much as I rarely agree with Mr. 57, I think he is basically correct when he argues that the promise of Palestine to the Jews is really a different promise - the promise of all redeemed creation to the "real" descendents of Abraham, that is, the Jew + Gentile church.

 

[Sinthesis]

I guess so. As much as I rarely agree with Mr. 57, I think he is basically correct when he argues that the promise of Palestine to the Jews is really a different promise - the promise of all redeemed creation to the "real" descendents of Abraham, that is, the Jew + Gentile church.

Israel received the temporal land promise, defiled it, and were vomited out; twice. The only descendant of Abraham worthy of the eternal promise is Jesus, thus any and all possession is His, the stewardship of which Christ distributes as He sees fit.

 

[savedbygrace57]

What about the Land ?

As to the Hope of Israel, what is the truth about the Land Promises , the possession of the Land ?

For the most part those promises as it pertained to natural descendants of Abraham were fulfilled as the jews returned from the babylonian captivity; And also those promises to the Natural seed of Abraham concerning the possession of the Land were premised on their obedience i.e

deut 4:

23Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.


24For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

25When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:

26I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.


Deut 8:

19And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

20As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.

deut 30:

17But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.


Josh 23:

13Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.


16When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

Does this sound like unconditional promises of Grace ? Most certainly not, and Israel broke God's National Covenant cp josh 23 16 with heb 8:

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

National Israel by her Idolatry forfeited the Land promise as the literal physical seed of Abraham; But unto the remnant according to the election of grace, the Israel of God, the unconditional everlasting possession of the Land of Canaan has been fulfilled in the True Land of Promise which the Fathers of Israel had a eye to, for they were not desiring [coveting] as it is sadly mistaken, the literal land of Canaan, but a better country, which is heavenly heb 11:

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city

This was the True Hope of Jacob [Israel] heb 11:

9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

For they confessed themselves strangers and pilgrims heb 11:

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Now what a strange confession if in deed their hearts were desiring a piece of land of this earth !
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[savedbygrace57]

what is the hope of Israel ?

What is the True Hope of Israel ? Let us look at the context where this is found acts 28:

20For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Now ask yourself, was Paul bound in Chains because He preached a expected earthly kingdom for the jews ? Why would the jews of his nation be so hostile towards Paul and opposing of him, if his hope of Israel, which he preached was centered in a glorified kingdom of the jews in Israel ? Would not his fellow jews welcome such such a proclamation ? Lets look at acts 26:

6And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:


7Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

Where Paul is answering before King Agrippa. As Paul understood scripture the Hope of the promise of God made to the Fathers [ Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob heb 11:9] unto which promise all the twelve tribes [ spiritual jews rev 7:4] hope to come , was realized in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead; and to substantiate this he rehearsed how he had seen the Risen Christ outside the gates of damascus, and appointed him to preach the gospel to jews as well as gentiles [ the spiritual twelve tribes of Israel] to open their eyes and to turn them from darkness to light, and the power of Satan unto God, so the Hope of Israel was the spiritual kingdom of God acts 28:

23And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

30And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all [jew or gentile] that came in unto him,

31Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
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[savedbygrace57]

Christ is Israel !

Matt 5:

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

lk 24:

44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The scripture is about Christ, all of OT in some way or other finds its fulfillment and meaning in Christ Jesus. This goes as well of the Nation of Israel, for Christ fulfilled all the titles and types that National Israel represented. The Nation was called chosen, because Christ was Chosen.

1 chron 16:

13O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.

deut 7:

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The Above can apply to the Nation , now Christ Isa 42:

1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

1 pet 2:

4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,


5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

In ex 4:

22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Israel is called God's Firstborn Son, now look at Christ col 1:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

heb 1:

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

So hence, those who are in Gods Firstborn Son Israel/ Jesus are Israel.

The Nation Israel in ex 4:22, Israel as God's Son coming out of egypt, the Holy Ghost has applied to Jesus Christ. hos 11:

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. cp with Matt 2:15

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Also the prophet Isa intimates that Christ is Israel isa 49:

1Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.


2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished *****; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

This is the Israel which is the True seed of Abraham gal 3:

16Now to Abraham and his seed [Israel] were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ [Israel].

Hence, those chosen in Israel[Christ] before the foundation are also Israel, one with Him and also heirs with Him of the promises of God.​