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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Sinthesis
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savedbygrace57 said:
It would be such a shame if this entire thread was just a rationalization for one's hatred of Jews. :verysad
- Mat 18:32 - Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 - Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
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savedbygrace57
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jason:
No, some as some gentiles belong to the election of grace.
No, some as some gentiles belong to the election of grace.
jasoncran
Member
but you exclude them in your prayers, kinda of odd, thats like me saying not to pray for another gentile nation because of some prophecy against them, ie egypt.savedbygrace57 said:
that nation has prophecy against it the book of isiah, i think it refers to the millenial reign of christ.
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savedbygrace57
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rom 9:6
romans 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
It was not even about God having forsaken His People [ whom He foreknew rom 11:1-2] nor His word of Promise to them [ Israel], it was just that the nation and people today never understood who God's True People or Israel really was, and to whom the Eternal Promises were made.
Paul was shown some light about something, that most, even Christ other disciples did not know at first, and that was "They are not Israel which are of Israel" !
romans 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
It was not even about God having forsaken His People [ whom He foreknew rom 11:1-2] nor His word of Promise to them [ Israel], it was just that the nation and people today never understood who God's True People or Israel really was, and to whom the Eternal Promises were made.
Paul was shown some light about something, that most, even Christ other disciples did not know at first, and that was "They are not Israel which are of Israel" !
jasoncran
Member
are you god that you know that who is going to hell or not?
thats not our place. why then does it say later that we are to pray for peace in jerusalem.
i have prayed for muslim nations, as we ought to. one can pray for the nation of isreal to find peace and the fighting to cease, or the lord return.
odd since in the endtimes the lord saves the city of jersusalem from the forces of anti-christ, and then theres the 144,000 jews that have tribes named and listed
since when do we christians have tribes?
thats not our place. why then does it say later that we are to pray for peace in jerusalem.
i have prayed for muslim nations, as we ought to. one can pray for the nation of isreal to find peace and the fighting to cease, or the lord return.
odd since in the endtimes the lord saves the city of jersusalem from the forces of anti-christ, and then theres the 144,000 jews that have tribes named and listed
since when do we christians have tribes?
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savedbygrace57
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Gal 3:
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Where the dispensationalist and others have gone astray, it is in that they don't consider Christ, for Christ is the key to scripture and unlocks it's treasures, this however He does only for His own Matt 13:
10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
To all others the scriptures is in riddles to them, even though they do not know it, because God is pleased for them to believe a Lie. 2 thess 2:11.
The Mystery of Christ col 2:
2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Now I know that the Church is a Mystery of Christ eph 3, but there is also a Mystery about the Person of Christ. He is God, He is Man, He is Israel !
It is only through Abraham's seed Christ [gal 3:16] that anyone is constituted Israel, as in the Israel of God.
Isa 49:
2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished *****; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Just being born physically or naturally of Abraham or Jacob, did not make one of the True Israel [Christ] rom 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Basically Paul is saying, Not all of National Israel is of Israel [ Christ]; But if one whether ethnic jew or non ethnic jew has been Chosen in Christ [ The True Israel] they are in and of Israel.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Where the dispensationalist and others have gone astray, it is in that they don't consider Christ, for Christ is the key to scripture and unlocks it's treasures, this however He does only for His own Matt 13:
10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
To all others the scriptures is in riddles to them, even though they do not know it, because God is pleased for them to believe a Lie. 2 thess 2:11.
The Mystery of Christ col 2:
2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Now I know that the Church is a Mystery of Christ eph 3, but there is also a Mystery about the Person of Christ. He is God, He is Man, He is Israel !
It is only through Abraham's seed Christ [gal 3:16] that anyone is constituted Israel, as in the Israel of God.
Isa 49:
2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished *****; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Just being born physically or naturally of Abraham or Jacob, did not make one of the True Israel [Christ] rom 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Basically Paul is saying, Not all of National Israel is of Israel [ Christ]; But if one whether ethnic jew or non ethnic jew has been Chosen in Christ [ The True Israel] they are in and of Israel.
jasoncran
Member
i know that, but that doenst negate the promise of the restoration of land, why does isiah talk about the the ruling of jesus in jerusalem and acts 1 states that jesus will return to where? the mount of olives physically.
the land of isreal is to be recooupied by his people. its clearly stated. they have a use in the millenium by the lord.
the land of isreal is to be recooupied by his people. its clearly stated. they have a use in the millenium by the lord.
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savedbygrace57
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jason:
rom 9:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
rom 9:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
jasoncran
Member
so why does god meet the enemy in har megiddo, to save what a bunch of gentiles?
the 144,000 are believers like us but they are like the MESSANIC Jew meaning that they accept the messiah , and yet are of the flesh a jew from abraham. its that simple
christians dont have tribes now do they, so if you are right, then why did the lord call the 144,000 out of the tribes by name?
i am in a sense a fulfilled jew as i have jewish lineage.
the 144,000 are believers like us but they are like the MESSANIC Jew meaning that they accept the messiah , and yet are of the flesh a jew from abraham. its that simple
christians dont have tribes now do they, so if you are right, then why did the lord call the 144,000 out of the tribes by name?
i am in a sense a fulfilled jew as i have jewish lineage.
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savedbygrace57
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jasoncran said:
rom 9:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
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savedbygrace57
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Gal 3:16 continued
Promises like this one Gen 17:
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
The possession of the Land of Canaan for an everlasting Inheritance, this promise is fulfilled in Christ Gal 3:16.
Abraham had been given spiritual understanding, He as well as Isaac and Jacob, Heirs together with Him of the same promise [ heb 11:9] did not believe this inheritance of Canaan was literal land , but Spiritual and they did not believe it to be a centralized location or plot of land [ like those deceived to believe today] but that it was the whole world.
That Abraham knew the promise to be heavenly or spiritual look at heb 11:
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
There is just no way anyone who is taught of God can believe in light of this passage that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were trusting God for a literal plot of land in the middle east as their everlasting possession, that is absolutely insane.
That He [ Abraham] knew it was of a much wider scope than a piece of real estate over in modern Israel, but that this possession encompassed the World lets look at rom 4:
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
You see that ? Heir of the World, not of a literal piece of land. This promise to be the Heir of the world, could not be anything else than God's promise to Abraham and His seed after Him [ gen 17:7], but the everlasting possession of Canaan, a Heavenly Country, and notice how Gen 17 and Heb 11 correlate together as to the promise of the everlasting possession of Canaan.
Gen 17:
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And heb 11:
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
So it is clear to me, those of you who believe the land of Canaan promised in gen 17:8 was a literal piece of land, you have been deceived , and guess by who ? Who is the great deceiver ? Those who believe such, clearly have not the Faith of Abraham, nor the Faith of Christ.
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
The possession of the Land of Canaan for an everlasting Inheritance, this promise is fulfilled in Christ Gal 3:16.
Abraham had been given spiritual understanding, He as well as Isaac and Jacob, Heirs together with Him of the same promise [ heb 11:9] did not believe this inheritance of Canaan was literal land , but Spiritual and they did not believe it to be a centralized location or plot of land [ like those deceived to believe today] but that it was the whole world.
That Abraham knew the promise to be heavenly or spiritual look at heb 11:
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
There is just no way anyone who is taught of God can believe in light of this passage that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were trusting God for a literal plot of land in the middle east as their everlasting possession, that is absolutely insane.
That He [ Abraham] knew it was of a much wider scope than a piece of real estate over in modern Israel, but that this possession encompassed the World lets look at rom 4:
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
You see that ? Heir of the World, not of a literal piece of land. This promise to be the Heir of the world, could not be anything else than God's promise to Abraham and His seed after Him [ gen 17:7], but the everlasting possession of Canaan, a Heavenly Country, and notice how Gen 17 and Heb 11 correlate together as to the promise of the everlasting possession of Canaan.
Gen 17:
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And heb 11:
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
So it is clear to me, those of you who believe the land of Canaan promised in gen 17:8 was a literal piece of land, you have been deceived , and guess by who ? Who is the great deceiver ? Those who believe such, clearly have not the Faith of Abraham, nor the Faith of Christ.
smaller
Member
There is no doubt that the CURSE came into Israel, they were repeatedly judged for 'lawlessness' and 'idolatry.' And even passive inhabitants suffered under Gods harsh judgments.
WHAT GOOD became of that for any of them other than the 'elect?'
Were Gods Words a curse to them? Of course. The Old Testament Laws are FILLED with curses, they were real curses and those curses resulted in the scattering of their national peoples throughout the earth.
FEW are able to say why or how other than to simply BLAME the people for being evil.
There are however more interesting ways to see HOW AND WHY that people received GODS JUDGMENTS.
How you might ask? I will show the scriptures that openly will show ANY PERSON whom God allows to see that the people of ISRAEL were NOT ALONE in these matters. The scriptures are quite simple in their depiction of what happened to them and how. So very simple. But for a 'casual' observer they will NEVER SEE IT and the result of NOT seeing it will simply throw the ACCUSERS OF ISRAEL into seeing ONLY the PEOPLE and not the 'real cause' of THEIR CURSES.
Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So, let's recap for those whose eyes or understanding my be a little slow to connect the dots here.
The WORD was sown IN ISRAEL. Satan ENTERED THEIR HEARTS and BLINDED THEM.
Were the people of ISRAEL then ALONE? No. Can you seriously say you CAN'T see what happened to them and WHO ELSE is involved?
Seriously?
Satan, the DEVIL, the WICKED ONE is in fact CURSED FOREVER.
And where was SATAN? In the hearts and minds of THOSE PEOPLE.
This is about as basic a sunday school lesson as one can get. To miss it will result in FALSE JUDGMENTS.
Once more for fun: THE WORD WAS SOWN in ISRAEL and SATAN came into their minds and hearts, SINNED in them by STEALING the WORD and effectually BLINDED THEM making THEM unbelievers.
What credible view then would ANY FORM OF LOGIC dictate in these matters of JUDGMENT if all the 'causes' are NOT on the table and we blame ONLY the people?
The more interesting part is that God INTENTIONALLY blinded them. That's right!
Romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Yeah, GOD gave them that spirit of BLINDNESS and DEAFNESS so they COULD NOT HEAR for all the tea in china.
And how did that happen? By SOWING His Words and SATAN'S immediate response just as JESUS taught us.
Isn't that just interesting? A cause of BLINDNESS that was not is not THEM.
Yeah, let's throw BLIND PEOPLE under the DAMNATION BUS using our fine judgment skills in these matters.
yawn.
enjoy!
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WHAT GOOD became of that for any of them other than the 'elect?'
Were Gods Words a curse to them? Of course. The Old Testament Laws are FILLED with curses, they were real curses and those curses resulted in the scattering of their national peoples throughout the earth.
FEW are able to say why or how other than to simply BLAME the people for being evil.
There are however more interesting ways to see HOW AND WHY that people received GODS JUDGMENTS.
How you might ask? I will show the scriptures that openly will show ANY PERSON whom God allows to see that the people of ISRAEL were NOT ALONE in these matters. The scriptures are quite simple in their depiction of what happened to them and how. So very simple. But for a 'casual' observer they will NEVER SEE IT and the result of NOT seeing it will simply throw the ACCUSERS OF ISRAEL into seeing ONLY the PEOPLE and not the 'real cause' of THEIR CURSES.
Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So, let's recap for those whose eyes or understanding my be a little slow to connect the dots here.
The WORD was sown IN ISRAEL. Satan ENTERED THEIR HEARTS and BLINDED THEM.
Were the people of ISRAEL then ALONE? No. Can you seriously say you CAN'T see what happened to them and WHO ELSE is involved?
Seriously?
Satan, the DEVIL, the WICKED ONE is in fact CURSED FOREVER.
And where was SATAN? In the hearts and minds of THOSE PEOPLE.
This is about as basic a sunday school lesson as one can get. To miss it will result in FALSE JUDGMENTS.
Once more for fun: THE WORD WAS SOWN in ISRAEL and SATAN came into their minds and hearts, SINNED in them by STEALING the WORD and effectually BLINDED THEM making THEM unbelievers.
What credible view then would ANY FORM OF LOGIC dictate in these matters of JUDGMENT if all the 'causes' are NOT on the table and we blame ONLY the people?
The more interesting part is that God INTENTIONALLY blinded them. That's right!
Romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Yeah, GOD gave them that spirit of BLINDNESS and DEAFNESS so they COULD NOT HEAR for all the tea in china.
And how did that happen? By SOWING His Words and SATAN'S immediate response just as JESUS taught us.
Isn't that just interesting? A cause of BLINDNESS that was not is not THEM.
Yeah, let's throw BLIND PEOPLE under the DAMNATION BUS using our fine judgment skills in these matters.
yawn.
enjoy!
smaller
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savedbygrace57
Guest
The Nation of Israel for the Majority part was a bunch of proud reprobates that belonged to the seed of the serpent i.e Isa 1:
4Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Jn 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matt 23:
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Does this sound like the beloved of God ? Notice vs 33, these words are directed to the Nation as a whole [except for a small remnant of the election of Grace] which words would have never came out of the Saviour's mouth to describe.
My point is, the only reason why that wicked nation did not die out of Covenant sooner, is because God sustained it in order to be Faithful to some Elect Forefathers such as Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and particularly Abraham to fulfill His purpose of bringing forth the Christ/Messiah through that appointed nation ! After Christ, God would soon leave that nation desolate Matt 23:
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
That word desolate
Look at job 15:34
For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
Now count how many times in Matt 23 did Jesus call them hypocrites !
ps 34:21
Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
Did not that Nation hate the Holy Jesus, the Righteous ? Did not evil slay them through the romans ?
ps 69:5
Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
This psalm is a direct prophecy against that Nation for its crimes against Christ, in fact Matt 23:38 is the fulfillment.
God would have never left desolate a People He Loved !
4Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Jn 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matt 23:
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Does this sound like the beloved of God ? Notice vs 33, these words are directed to the Nation as a whole [except for a small remnant of the election of Grace] which words would have never came out of the Saviour's mouth to describe.
My point is, the only reason why that wicked nation did not die out of Covenant sooner, is because God sustained it in order to be Faithful to some Elect Forefathers such as Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and particularly Abraham to fulfill His purpose of bringing forth the Christ/Messiah through that appointed nation ! After Christ, God would soon leave that nation desolate Matt 23:
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
That word desolate
Look at job 15:34
For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
Now count how many times in Matt 23 did Jesus call them hypocrites !
ps 34:21
Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
Did not that Nation hate the Holy Jesus, the Righteous ? Did not evil slay them through the romans ?
ps 69:5
Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
This psalm is a direct prophecy against that Nation for its crimes against Christ, in fact Matt 23:38 is the fulfillment.
God would have never left desolate a People He Loved !
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Strangelove
Guest
Savedbygrace>>>
Agree with everything you have put forward in this thread.
Anyone who has been babtized in the Holy Spirit IS Isreal. Regardless of race.
Anyone who is consumed with fleshy Jerusalem (What I consider Babylon the Great) and all her influences are the people who will be listening to the Rabbinical Talmudic Rabbis come the end times. They will be the serpents and scorpions who will be killing their own brethren with the NOAHIDE LAWS. They will be the ones looking in the wrong direction at the FAKE New Jerusalem with it's FAKE Jews (real Jews recognise Christ ((Like Me!
))) and its FAKE messiah.
It's sad really.
Keep speaking truth savedbygrace. God bless you Brother.
Cursed Political Nation of Isreal = Little horn
Jerusalem / Pharisees / Sanhedrin / Noahide Plan / Zionists = Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots.(the "Great City" where our Lord died)
Simples.
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Agree with everything you have put forward in this thread.
Anyone who has been babtized in the Holy Spirit IS Isreal. Regardless of race.
Anyone who is consumed with fleshy Jerusalem (What I consider Babylon the Great) and all her influences are the people who will be listening to the Rabbinical Talmudic Rabbis come the end times. They will be the serpents and scorpions who will be killing their own brethren with the NOAHIDE LAWS. They will be the ones looking in the wrong direction at the FAKE New Jerusalem with it's FAKE Jews (real Jews recognise Christ ((Like Me!
))) and its FAKE messiah.It's sad really.
Keep speaking truth savedbygrace. God bless you Brother.
Cursed Political Nation of Isreal = Little horn
Jerusalem / Pharisees / Sanhedrin / Noahide Plan / Zionists = Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots.(the "Great City" where our Lord died)
Simples.
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Elijah674
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Never were any saved without conditions! And never has there been other than a remnant who obeyed the Godheads conditions. From start to finish. Never was there a way to obey without Christ's Grace! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9
And the CHURCH saved? These are the Remnant of Matt. 10:5-6 who verse 15 finds the most violent offenders! (Luke 12:47-48) The problem with us'ins is that as long as one does not use capps, or rock the boat, or is 'nice'y' (new word?) & pay tithe, + keep the Sabbath (sun or whatever) & go to church & on & on! then we call them being Christ/like! Yet, God says that they are the ones that are even by far the worse in the execution of hell's judgement.
But, make NO MISTAKE, that includes [ALL] the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 + Rev. 3:16 [TRASH/HEEP] Inspiration states.
Now what are the forum ones saying about this above?? There was NO NEED TO SAY THAT!!! That IS NOT CHRISTLIKE!
OK: God Himself says that these ones above are the WORST, not me. And they will soon be blotted out of ETERNITY if found in this class of ones. Obad. 1:16
Pluss: Eze. 9's last message is that of WARNING these ones in His [HEARING] & [BEGAN AT MY SANCTUARY]. And who are the [[[ONLY]]] SAved ones? You go read it!
And Isa.58:1's INSPIRATION FROM THE HOLY GHOST of CRY ALOUD! SPARE NOT!, LIFT UP THY VOICE LIKE A TRUMPET! Are you kidding me?? These boards are so full of 'pew warming stuff' that most would not even read or listen to Gods Choosen!
And: 'shew my people their transgression, and the house .. their sins' ??????????
--Elijah
And the CHURCH saved? These are the Remnant of Matt. 10:5-6 who verse 15 finds the most violent offenders! (Luke 12:47-48) The problem with us'ins is that as long as one does not use capps, or rock the boat, or is 'nice'y' (new word?) & pay tithe, + keep the Sabbath (sun or whatever) & go to church & on & on! then we call them being Christ/like! Yet, God says that they are the ones that are even by far the worse in the execution of hell's judgement.
But, make NO MISTAKE, that includes [ALL] the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 + Rev. 3:16 [TRASH/HEEP] Inspiration states.
Now what are the forum ones saying about this above?? There was NO NEED TO SAY THAT!!! That IS NOT CHRISTLIKE!
OK: God Himself says that these ones above are the WORST, not me. And they will soon be blotted out of ETERNITY if found in this class of ones. Obad. 1:16
Pluss: Eze. 9's last message is that of WARNING these ones in His [HEARING] & [BEGAN AT MY SANCTUARY]. And who are the [[[ONLY]]] SAved ones? You go read it!
And Isa.58:1's INSPIRATION FROM THE HOLY GHOST of CRY ALOUD! SPARE NOT!, LIFT UP THY VOICE LIKE A TRUMPET! Are you kidding me?? These boards are so full of 'pew warming stuff' that most would not even read or listen to Gods Choosen!
And: 'shew my people their transgression, and the house .. their sins' ??????????
--Elijah
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savedbygrace57
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elijah:
Maybe in your religion, but not in mine, all those that Christ died for all saved in my religion, but thats a different subject matter .
Maybe in your religion, but not in mine, all those that Christ died for all saved in my religion, but thats a different subject matter .
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savedbygrace57
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in romans 9:6
In Romans 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Paul here is recognizing what his brethren according to the flesh, and many today in organized relgion do not realize, and that is the Majority of unbelieving National Israel is not, The True Israel of God to whom the promises were made. The True Israel of God recoginzed by God, was a very small remnant in that Nation, which remnant did obtain the promises rom 11:
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
And this Election [ which was not the Nation] the True Israel which hath obtained the promises rom 9:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
embraces or includes believing Gentiles along with believing Jews see rom 9:24-31; 10:19-20; 11:25-27; and eph 2:12ff, and it is through this method, we [ believers jew or gentile] are the True seed of Israel, the Israel of God, the children of promise and who the promises are made, through Jesus christ, the Spiritual seed of Abraham.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Paul here is recognizing what his brethren according to the flesh, and many today in organized relgion do not realize, and that is the Majority of unbelieving National Israel is not, The True Israel of God to whom the promises were made. The True Israel of God recoginzed by God, was a very small remnant in that Nation, which remnant did obtain the promises rom 11:
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
And this Election [ which was not the Nation] the True Israel which hath obtained the promises rom 9:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
embraces or includes believing Gentiles along with believing Jews see rom 9:24-31; 10:19-20; 11:25-27; and eph 2:12ff, and it is through this method, we [ believers jew or gentile] are the True seed of Israel, the Israel of God, the children of promise and who the promises are made, through Jesus christ, the Spiritual seed of Abraham.
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Strangelove
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Re: in romans 9:6
Hey savedbygrace57..////
I think you would be quite useful over in the Mystery, Babylon the Great thread...
http://www.christianforums.net/f20/mystery-babylon-great-mother-harlots-30906/
Come on down Brother.
Hey savedbygrace57..////
I think you would be quite useful over in the Mystery, Babylon the Great thread...
http://www.christianforums.net/f20/mystery-babylon-great-mother-harlots-30906/
Come on down Brother.