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Nephilim
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Gary
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Without sex.
Somebody explain this scripture.
We all know of a certain danger that comes from looking too closely at the details that we forget the primary message. The well known adage, "they couldn't see the forest for the trees" is... well... well known. What was the message that is found in Genesis 6? God dealt with the wickedness that abounded in a very final and definite way -- it got so bad that he grieved the creation of man.
Were there "mighty men" then? There were.
The point of this passage is not the mentions of groups of people we historically know nothing about. Rather, the verse is set in the context of God’s wrath and the flood that destroyed all but 8 of humanity. We would be better off focusing on the main point of Scripture instead of deflecting what God is saying by focusing on strange and secondary details mixed with pure supposition.
Some may want to insist that the "Sons of God" mentioned were not humans. I doubt that any here will advance the idea that they were aliens from another planet but there are some who have. Some say angels left their position and fornicated with the "daughters of men". They can make a case for that point of view (with some effort) because that is close to what what was meant in another place in the bible. If we turn to the book of Job - we find that the angelic "sons of God" were good angels, not fallen.
Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and said that they were the sons of their father, the devil. They had been fond of declaring their status because of their heritage and ancestors but Jesus corrected them saying, essentially, that their actions spoke louder than their DNA.
But what does the bible say definitively on the subject?
They were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
Were there "mighty men" then? There were.
The point of this passage is not the mentions of groups of people we historically know nothing about. Rather, the verse is set in the context of God’s wrath and the flood that destroyed all but 8 of humanity. We would be better off focusing on the main point of Scripture instead of deflecting what God is saying by focusing on strange and secondary details mixed with pure supposition.
Some may want to insist that the "Sons of God" mentioned were not humans. I doubt that any here will advance the idea that they were aliens from another planet but there are some who have. Some say angels left their position and fornicated with the "daughters of men". They can make a case for that point of view (with some effort) because that is close to what what was meant in another place in the bible. If we turn to the book of Job - we find that the angelic "sons of God" were good angels, not fallen.
Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and said that they were the sons of their father, the devil. They had been fond of declaring their status because of their heritage and ancestors but Jesus corrected them saying, essentially, that their actions spoke louder than their DNA.
But what does the bible say definitively on the subject?
They were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
I agree for the most part. But we, as believers should see the forest and the trees. This to me is looking at the forest and not looking at the individual trees.(I see the forest but the trees have nothing to do with it.) There is wickedness(forest), but there is a specific wickedness(A tree) in this passage.
And this explanation does nothing to explain the tree of..........For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Matt 22:30
Then we have angels that have left that Place.
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—Jude 1:6
Why were they in gloomy darkness?
Jude 1:7~~just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these(Angels) indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Strange flesh~~2087héteros – another (of a different kind). 2087/héteros ("anotherbut distinct in kind") stands in contrast to 243/állos ("another of the same kind").2087/héteros ("another of a different quality") emphasizes it is qualitatively different from its counterpart (comparison).
Some one tell me about this strange flesh that the angels went after like Sodom.
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Just out of curiosity Sparrowhawk I considered that the "sons of God" were good angels until they fell ( supposedly in this case by taking women ) and so the term applied to them pre-sin. I notice also in Jude there's a possible connection between the reason the angels ( in Jude ) are chained and the sexual sins of S & G.
Jud 1:6-7 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Do you believe these mighty men of old were giants or simply tyrants ?
Thanks for your responses. I've looked fairly deeply into the both sides of the age-old argument and so have many, many others. One of the things that was revealed to me when I last engaged and tried to express my view -- came from prayer.
A brother in Christ took the complete opposite view to mine.
I prayed and asked the Lord to help but try as I might I could not persuade. He did honor my request to not press me on it and I admitted that I was fallible and would no longer insist that I had the right of it.
That's an example of looking at the forest. God does not want us to go so far in the expression of our sincere beliefs that we have a falling out. To me, the lesson of wickedness now includes humility.
I am thankful for that answer to prayer. The brother I mention knows who he is and I fully expect him to contribute to this thread soon. In the meantime, let us join in Prayer and ask the Lord to show us what HE WANTS for us. I want our Jesus to return and find us all fighting for the unity of the faith. To me, that's the job that has been entrusted to us. If my prayer were answered today, both my brother and I would be allowed to recline our heads on His shoulder and inquire then wait patiently for His response.
It is such a sweet love that we have shared and the danger of that being violated calls me away from the firm stance that I once had.
Blessings to you, Edward. You know I love you and have continued to pray, that I will not stop and that you are not alone.
A brother in Christ took the complete opposite view to mine.
I prayed and asked the Lord to help but try as I might I could not persuade. He did honor my request to not press me on it and I admitted that I was fallible and would no longer insist that I had the right of it.
That's an example of looking at the forest. God does not want us to go so far in the expression of our sincere beliefs that we have a falling out. To me, the lesson of wickedness now includes humility.
I am thankful for that answer to prayer. The brother I mention knows who he is and I fully expect him to contribute to this thread soon. In the meantime, let us join in Prayer and ask the Lord to show us what HE WANTS for us. I want our Jesus to return and find us all fighting for the unity of the faith. To me, that's the job that has been entrusted to us. If my prayer were answered today, both my brother and I would be allowed to recline our heads on His shoulder and inquire then wait patiently for His response.
It is such a sweet love that we have shared and the danger of that being violated calls me away from the firm stance that I once had.
Blessings to you, Edward. You know I love you and have continued to pray, that I will not stop and that you are not alone.
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My best answer sounds kinda lame. I don't like the idea of angels having sex with women or with men. It doesn't seem right to me. But my answer to the direct question is, "Frankly, I do not know."
Here is another Scripture that goes along with what Jude was saying:
2Peter 2:3-5
... and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;…
You cite a "possible connection" and I do understand what you're saying. Still, it's not conclusive and there are many things to consider while addressing this topic. One of them is that we don't know enough about it. That's what I meant when I said earlier, "[the] passage ... mentions ... groups of people we historically know nothing about."
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Yeah it does seem very dodgy. :/
Do you believe the mighty men were physical giants though; and if so do you find it interesting that they were physical giants ?
:amen
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Here is the the phrase that most overlook.
This is what Jason touched on.
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4
If all the people were drowned in the flood, and they only ones that were saved were Noah and his family, then The sons of God were angels and not affected by the flood, as they continued after the flood.
Only an spirit being being could have been unaffected by the flood.
JLB
The Nephilm perished in the flood. All people perished in the flood.
Only the sons of God, and Noah and His family survived the flood.
Nephilim are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters on men.
JLB
I agree they were bound in chains.
I just don't know when, in relation to the flood.
Thanks, JLB
Sinthesis
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Yeah, I completely agree with the scriptures regarding nephalim, but what I believe relies on interpretation that shuns anything that could be considered a Jewish fable because I don't believe it is possible to love your neighbor as yourself if you are willing to entertain the idea that they could be anything other than human.