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Nephilim

Angels themselves cannot have sexual relations.but a fallen
Angel or Satan himself can definitely empregnate a flesh
Woman and they do have reproductive organs.the giants
Were called gihbor in the Hebrew manuscripts.the fallen
Angels are the nephilium
Firstly, if angels cannot have sexual relations, then how can fallen angels have sexual relations? I would like to see evidence from the Bible to back this up--that being fallen somehow means angels gain the ability to reproduce.

Hey free you and synthesis obviously don't understand
Gods true word.
Obviously. I could have told you that. :rolleyes

even Goliath was a giants he was one
Of the offsprings of og giants the ones that Israel killed
And king David killed Goliath he was over 9 or ten feet tall
Normal men and women can never get that big. they
Did not have normal DNA they were hybrids.
Unholy union between Satan and his angels and flesh
Women.
Not now but we still see people over 7 feet tall, and I notice that on average, people are getting taller. Of course, prior to Noah people lived very long ages, which we don't live to anymore either. It doesn't mean that from Adam up to Noah that everyone had some hybrid DNA.

there is so much scripture that backs it up.
Actually, no, there is no Scripture to back that up.

That's why you have to take words back to the Hebrew
To understand
No, actually we don't. Going to the Hebrew, or Greek, doesn't necessarily mean one can gain better understanding, especially if one isn't formally trained in those languages. It can very much lead one into error.
 
the nephilim are locked in chains right now for going against the Lord.
Wait.

I thought you said that the nephilim were the descendants of angels and the daughters of men?
But now I see that you think they are angels? That they (the children of the daughters of men) have been locked up in chains?
Really? Is this what you think?
 
angels cannot be born they were created in the first world age,before flesh man was created.
every soul or spiritual body which is an angelic form.must be born innocent of woman
to make up their mind on their own wheather to love God or satan,remember we all have free will.
all souls are angels,our soul that is in our flesh body is in angelic form,that is why when flesh dies
your soul or spiritual body goes emediately back to the father who gave it.ECCLESIATES 12:6 and 7
 
angels cannot be born they were created in the first world age,before flesh man was created.
every soul or spiritual body which is an angelic form.must be born innocent of woman
to make up their mind on their own wheather to love God or satan,remember we all have free will.
all souls are angels,our soul that is in our flesh body is in angelic form,that is why when flesh dies
your soul or spiritual body goes emediately back to the father who gave it.ECCLESIATES 12:6 and 7
are you a Mormon?
 
first of all if you dont read and take the words back to the original text of the hebrew and greek.
you will definately be confused. have you ever read a book that was translated fro russian to english
alot of the words are not the same and they dont translate well.
 
first of all if you dont read and take the words back to the original text of the hebrew and greek.
you will definately be confused. have you ever read a book that was translated fro russian to english
alot of the words are not the same and they dont translate well.
are you fluent in both greek and Hebrew. modern jews don't even agree on the nephilum. I guess those bar mitzhvahed and yeshiva student in Hebrew don't know their native language.
 
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odd that the most of us would disagree. im not going to pretend to say I understand Hebrew nor koine greek. the later is dead and isn't spoken. the former has two forms Hebrew of the biblical age and modern Hebrew. Hebrews cant speak both. I am a Hebrew. I wish my grandpa was alive. he taught he Hebrew in the temple. I bet he would have something to say about this stuff.
 
This is kind of long but worth the read.
In Genesis 6:1-4, what were the identities of the sons of God and daughters of men?
In Genesis 6:1-4 is an account that refers to the sons of God and the daughters of men. Many options have been suggested regarding the identities of these individuals, leading to much speculation regarding the true nature of those involved.

Three main views have emerged regarding the identities of these sons of God. First, some argue these "sons of God" were fallen angels. Second, others believe they were people who served as powerful human rulers. Third, still others suggest these people describe the godly descendants of Seth who intermarried with the ungodly descendants of Cain.

The evidence offered to argue that these beings were fallen angels is primarily based on the grammar of the phrase "sons of God." In the Old Testament, "sons of God" elsewhere refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). While this offers evidence for the "sons of God" as fallen angels, there are two main problems with this theory. First, Matthew 22:30 notes that angels do not marry. Those who argue for this position realize this but suggest Genesis 6 is different since these would be fallen angels and that Matthew 22:30 refers to marriage in heaven. Second, and a more important concern, is that just because other places in the Bible use "sons of God" to refer to angels does not require that the same usage is necessary here. The larger context must also be taken into account, a context that seems to suggest sin taking place among humans, not angels.

Another question is whether angels can even appear in human form and produce offspring. Proponents of this view cite the example of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah who wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot, though such physical acts did not take place (Genesis 19:1-5). Also, an angel appeared in human form in Mark 16:5.

The second view that suggests these "sons of God" and "daughters of men" refers to relationships involving powerful human rulers fits the context. However, there remains the difficulty of how their children would become "Nephilim," a term that could mean either giants or men of old or even men of renown.

The third view suggests these "sons of God" and "daughters of men" refer to marriages between the godly family line of Seth and the ungodly family line of Cain, who had killed his brother Abel (Genesis 4). This could also fit the context, yet also does not easily account for children who would become giants or men of renown. In addition, there was never a direct command for Seth's descendants to avoid marriage with the family descendants of Cain.

Another concern is the phrase in Genesis 6:4 that, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." Whoever these Nephilim were, they also continued for some time, likely after the global flood of Noah's era. In Numbers 13:33 we find: "And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them." The focus here is on the physical height of these Nephilim.

While there is no perfect scenario that accounts for all of the above factors, a case can be made for human offspring who were known for their great height (as Numbers 13:33 emphasizes). These offspring were mentioned in Genesis 6 as those who lived in sin against God while also having special physical features that were noted. This is also consistent with Numbers 13 that discusses the Nephilim as very tall people who lived in rebellion to God's ways.

Again, there appears to be no perfect explanation at present that encompasses all details of this age-old debate, yet any of these three options could encompass an explanation that served as the background to God's judgment upon the earth through a flood.

Read more: http://www.compellingtruth.org/sons-God-daughters-men.html#ixzz2uBHVTKQ2
Interesting, but I think there is more that can be added and some that needs to be addressed. I'll discuss them simply because it might contribute something to this discussion and some assumptions that are being made.

Firstly, the main problem is with the term "sons of God" referring to fallen angels. How could it be said that fallen angels are "sons of God"? Could it refer to angels? Yes. Fallen angels? Quite unlikely. Secondly, what the passage seems to be saying is that the Nephilim were on the earth prior to the sons of God reproducing with the children of men, and not necessarily the resulting offspring. So it would seem that the Nephilim were just another race of humans.

Thirdly, I don't at all see how arguing to Sodom and Gomorrah would support the idea that angels could have sexual relations. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah saw men, whom they didn't know were angels, which only suggests the men wanted sex with other men. It says absolutely nothing about any ability of angels to engage in sexual relations. Indeed, there is nothing in all of Scripture to suggest such. And, of course, I agree that Matt 22:30 suggests that angels cannot have sexual relations, even if they take on the form of humans.

In the end, it is impossible to know for sure who the Nephilim were, and we must be careful to not go beyond Scripture and state with any certainty who we think they were, especially in the case of believing fallen angels had sex with humans.
 
well ask youself this question do most of the JEWS in israel beleive in Jesus,no they dont.
this why God was angry with them because they always went after idolatry and not the word of the Lord.
the old jews knows what nephilium is.it comes from the hebrew word nafa which mean the fallen.
 
well ask youself this question do most of the JEWS in israel beleive in Jesus,no they dont.
this why God was angry with them because they always went after idolatry and not the word of the Lord.
the old jews knows what nephilium is.it comes from the hebrew word nafa which mean the fallen.
their is a division of jews on this. first off those that buy into in the nephilum ALSO BELIEVE IN SERPENT SEED. modern jews for the most part reject that. we based our division and periods of the tanach from judiasm. yeah that's right when the bible was first penned for Christian and Hebrew usage no sentence periods were used. it was then divided by verses and chapters. which didn't exist until the jews did that for easier reading. but alas being a Hebrew and greek scholar you should know this. when I read from jews I go to Christian scholars to verify. adam Clarke used jewish sources. they line up word for word.
 
the giants were called gihborr in hebrew,they were also called cannanites,hittites,anakims,
emims,kenites,girgashites,perrizzites and so many more.
 
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the kenites?

jethro was a kenite and kenites joined unto isreal. so how is that possible? urijah was a Hittite and they were a big empire and held egpyt for some time. they had a capital in turkey
 
I agree with what Sinthesis said here,

." I don't believe any group of people defined by heredity is by nature significantly more evil than any other group."

IF the angels did take human form to mate with females this possibly could have cause all kinds of disruptions in God's genetic design for humanity, and the children would in effect be victims. If our DNA had been effected in a small way I'm sure once all things are restored that too will be corrected.

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we are all the sons of God,but those sons of God were evil.cause they were fallen angels.
it was forbidden for angels to have sexuall relations with the daughters of men.
they were supposed to be born innocent of woman just like we are,born in the flesh.
but they chose not to and left habitation in heaven and came to earth and seduced the daughters of men instead.
read jude chapter 1.you will understand. any they produced many giants on the earth as result of those unholy unions.
and they performed super amounts of abominations against the Lord and his flesh children on earth.
that why the Lord had to have the flood to destroy them,or else they would have killed off all humanity on earth.
Were they really demons or were they human?If they were demons how could the flood have gotten rid of them?
 
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