jasoncran
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I wonder which cubit he meant when moses wrote that? likely since they were slaves in Egypt and built things he egyptain cubit would be the idea of that.
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agua.
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And who's forearm they used :D
jasoncran
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the Egyptians had a standard cubit for all building of the pyramids, in fact is been found and we know the length of it.
do the math on that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit
the double cubit rod is 20.8 inches. divide that in half its 10 inches. so lets multiply by nine and we get 90 inches in height. about seven feet. give or take a foot. tall yes but not uncommon today.
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agua.
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Jason in the wiki spread there was one double cubit rod amongst 14 cubit rods. The cubit measurement was ~ 20.6 inches. The measurement came from elbow to the tip of the middle finger measure yours and see it must be way bigger than 10 inches mate.
I think Moses would have used the Eastern cubit of 18 inches which makes Oggy ~ 13 feet tall.
Deborah13
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That's the one. approx = 13.5 x 6
I know I been over this all before, we've had several of these threads, in the past.
So he was of the remnant of the "rapha" the Raphaim, a tribe of giants (Strong's).
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agua.
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That's the one. approx = 13.5 x 6
I know I been over this all before, we've had several of these threads, in the past.
"rapha" the Raphaim, a tribe of giants (Strong's).
And you probably will again :D
You think that God wiped out the ability to have extraordinary children sometime during the flood? If the children were "mighty men" and/or "men of renown" (as the Bible clearly states) it would take an act of God (who could do it) -- but I would challenge the basis for the statement.
What I do see is that the "age of man" was limited to 120 years. What I don't see is anything that indicates that the Lord removed His blessing from the seed of man.
What I see is that men had sons and daughters, from the time of Adam through the time of Noah.
The bible calls these mankind.
The definition the bible gives to these is sons and daughters.
1 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. Genesis 5:1-4
The men that begot these sons and daughters, were begot in their likeness and after their image.
That is what God blessed.
A female human being that is born is called a daughter.
A male human being that is born is called a son.
The human being that begot the son or daughter is called a man.
This is what blessed, Mankind.
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them... Genesis 6:1
So far, the designations for mankind are: Men, sons and daughters.
Men begot sons and daughters. men and women through the natural order that God set forth, were blessed.
- Men
- women
- sons of men
- daughters of men
Genesis 6:2, introduces another designation for another species that God created.
...that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
So far, men and women, sons and daughters, had been on the earth for a couple of thousand years, and lived for hundreds of years.
Lamech, Noah's father lived 777 years.
Yet as soon as this one thing happens -
... 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. Genesis 6:2
The very next verse tells us -
3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." Genesis 6:3
So far, up until Genesis 6:2, the sons of God is not a biblical definition that has been used to described Mankind.
As soon as the sons of God began interbreeding with the daughters of men, God shortened the lifespan of man to 120 years.
No account in the genealogy from Adam to Noah, do we find the terms; sons of God or Giants.
Based on the only bible scriptures that use the designations: sons of God, and the fact that the bible makes no mention of the sons of God or giants in the genealogy, and the fact that the bible states that all men and all flesh were destroyed in the flood, and the fact that after the flood the sons of God were again intermixing with the daughters of men, and that God raised up the children of Israel to utterly destroy them, and the fact that that God Himself caused the sun to stand still in the sky for the very purpose of Joshua and the children of Israel to destroy these Giants.
as it is written -
11 And it happened, as they fled before Israel and were on the descent of Beth Horon, that the Lord cast down large hailstones from heaven on them as far as Azekah, and they died. There were more who died from the hailstones than the children of Israel killed with the sword. 12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel: "Sun, stand still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon." 13 So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel. Joshua 10:11-14
These biblical passages leads me to the conclusion that God did not approve, nor did He bless the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men.
Thank you, for this discussion. Thank you for your attitude.
Though we do not agree on all things, I ask for God's blessing and prosperity upon you and all of your household.
JLB
Sinthesis
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That entire population died in the flood, save Noah and his family. There is no need for any to have survived because the Sons of God, daughters of men, and nephilim were all 100% human, and their wickedness was 100% the product of 100% human failing. Then later, some of Noah's righteous offspring joined themselves with Noah's unrighteous offspring in unions which again gave rise to powerful but ungodly people. These new nephilim were, just like their parents, 100% human. Numbers 25 also gives a good idea of how a righteous population of humans can be contaminated by unrighteousness people, not to mention the possible consequences.
Sorry bro, thats not what the scriptures teach.
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
The sons of God continued after the flood of those days.
Giants were on the earth during the days of Noah.
Giants were on the earth during the time of Moses.
The way Giants came to be produced is when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
No Giants were produced from the union of men and the daughters of men.
Cain did not produce Giants.
No one produced Giants except the sons of god and the daughters of men.
The sons of God were angels.
The sons of God were not affected by the flood.
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5
You can deny the scriptures all you want, but they don't change.
The sons of God in Job were angels.
The sons of God in Noah's day were angels.
No Nephilim were ever produced from the union of men and the daughters of men. Ever!
JLB
Are you trying to prove what others have said about your reasoning?
Maybe not trying but look again:
You know that the "Sons of God" spoken of by Job were not fallen angels, right?
Pardon the easy way of examining this syllogism but:
All bananas are fruits
Apples are fruits
Can it follow that apples are bananas?
Apples are fruits
Can it follow that apples are bananas?
All angels are Sons of God
Jesus is the Son of God
Can it follow that Jesus is an angel?
The sons spoken of by Job were angels
Does it follow that the sons spoken of in Genesis must be angels?
Notice I am not saying that they (the Sons of God spoken of in Genesis 6) can NOT be angels, but only that they don't necessarily have to be. One does not necessarily follow the other.
With that in mind it is perfectly okay to think that there is or may be some non-supernatural explanation and if there is it is also okay to give that preference while considering one's own opinion on the matter.
jasoncran
Member
double, is the key. moses was a prince of Egypt, and where did the Hebrews leave? and what does the word double mean? twice. cut in in half.
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agua.
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Jason the Wiki article you posted states the Egyptian Royal cubit is ~ 20.6 inches. There was one double rod which would have been ~ 41 inches etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit
Sinthesis
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Nephilim are just notorious 100% human men who have fallen from the beliefs and behavior of their flawed fathers. You seem fixated on your own idea of what makes a giant. Nephilim is translated as 'giant' in the KJV, but it means 'fallen'. They were only 'giants' in the qualities of might and renown, in the same way we describe heroes as 'bigger than life'. Actual physical size is not significant, nor is it even mentioned until we get to Og, and notice he is never described as the offspring of an angel. Og just happens to be big. Don't confuse coincidence with causality.
jasoncran
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I was going to say that. I will add that if the believers of the nephilum met an "og" I wonder if they would be nice and not think he or she was an demonic-hybrid.
So I would wonder if the people who think that they were human and "ungodly" and met an "ungodly" human if they would be nice to that "ungodly" human.
jasoncran
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that was directed at THOSE THAT teach the nephilum shall return.
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agua.
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Jason it would be no more difficult being nice to a giant than the many people I know who follow satan. :D
I think this is about the fifth or so post you have made, with No Scriptures.
You refuse to address the scriptures that I have given.
Just saying "no you are wrong" is not really a biblical position.
JLB
