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No Cell Phone Use in Cars - Not Even Hands Free?

Mike

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I started a similar thread a long time ago, but this ugly possibility has emerged again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/technology/federal-panel-urges-cellphone-ban-for-drivers.html

Not only do they want to ban using a cell phone in the car, but if they have their way we wouldn't be able to use Blue Tooth hand's Free devices in our cars. Some want laws that force new cars to come with disabling technology. The key turns, the cell phone gets blocked. :bigfrown

As part of its recommendation, the National Transportation Safety Board is urging states to ban drivers from using hands-free devices, including wireless headsets. No state now outlaws such activity, but the board said that drivers faced serious risks from talking on wireless headsets, just as they do by taking a hand off the wheel to hold a phone to their ear.
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This is going WAY too far. How is talking hands-free any more dangerous than talking with a person in the car with you? This is a bogus law. :grumpy
 
Sorry!
It is for our own good. Making a call could be as next to chatting with a passenger. The problem with some people is that they lose control while making calls.

That means the calls won't come and you can't call out. We can still stop the car 'somewhere' and hellohi.
 
Classik said:
Sorry!
It is for our own good. Making a call could be as next to chatting with a passenger. The problem with some people is that they lose control while making calls.

That means the calls won't come and you can't call out. We can still stop the car 'somewhere' and hellohi.
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Until people are stuck in traffic jams for extended periods of time. That and if you are trapped in your car after an accident and due to the technology can't call out for assistance. There is protection and over protecting.
 
MarbleShooter said:
Until people are stuck in traffic jams for extended periods of time. That and if you are trapped in your car after an accident and due to the technology can't call out for assistance. There is protection and over protecting.
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Emergency numbers are allowed
 
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See that twisted hunk of metal between the bus and the bed of the semi? That's a truck, a truck that was being driven by a 19 year old kid who was texting. He had texted 11 times in 11 minutes leading up to the crash.

Here's another shot that tells even more of the story
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The 19 year old kid was killed. Some might say, "Well, he got what was coming to him for being stupid enough to text while driving." The thing is, a 15 year old girl who was on the bus was also killed...she was part of a school band on their way to Six Flags for a day of fun. She was killed because a person she never met, someone who was a total stranger, decided to use his cell phone inappropriately while driving. In addition to the two deaths, 38 others were injured, in this one accident alone.

This is why they are cracking down on cell phones in cars. They are leading to too many serious accidents.

The arguments I am hearing against the cell phone regulations are the same ones that people used against wearing seat belts and using motorcycle helmets...but, while wearing seat belts and using motorcycle helmets are individual choices, meaning that the consequences of not using them will impact an individual (not that death ever impacts only an individual), cell phone use in a car can impact a lot more than just the individual. In this, they are a lot more comparable to DWI laws. Just as most states have come to the realization that having open containers of alcohol in motor vehicles should be outlawed, they are also coming to the conclusion that even when there are laws about "hand's free only" on the books, there are still way too many being killed or seriously injured by cell phones being operated in cars.
 
handy said:
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See that twisted hunk of metal between the bus and the bed of the semi? That's a truck, a truck that was being driven by a 19 year old kid who was texting. He had texted 11 times in 11 minutes leading up to the crash.

Here's another shot that tells even more of the story
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The 19 year old kid was killed. Some might say, "Well, he got what was coming to him for being stupid enough to text while driving." The thing is, a 15 year old girl who was on the bus was also killed...she was part of a school band on their way to Six Flags for a day of fun. She was killed because a person she never met, someone who was a total stranger, decided to use his cell phone inappropriately while driving. In addition to the two deaths, 38 others were injured, in this one accident alone.

This is why they are cracking down on cell phones in cars. They are leading to too many serious accidents.

The arguments I am hearing against the cell phone regulations are the same ones that people used against wearing seat belts and using motorcycle helmets...but, while wearing seat belts and using motorcycle helmets are individual choices, meaning that the consequences of not using them will impact an individual (not that death ever impacts only an individual), cell phone use in a car can impact a lot more than just the individual. In this, they are a lot more comparable to DWI laws. Just as most states have come to the realization that having open containers of alcohol in motor vehicles should be outlawed, they are also coming to the conclusion that even when there are laws about "hand's free only" on the books, there are still way too many being killed or seriously injured by cell phones being operated in cars.
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There is a massive difference between texting and a blue tooth.
 
i dont text while driving but i do talk.

but if that is the case are the cops exempt. NO:nono2 i seem them do that all the time.
 
MarbleShooter said:
There is a massive difference between texting and a blue tooth.
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Absolutely! A HUGE massive difference. The guy in the truck texting is much more dangerous than talking on hands free blue tooth. I can just say "call Tom cell", never use my hands, never take my eyes off the road, and they want to ban this? Are you kidding me? Even if you have to hit a few buttons to make a blue tooth call, it's no more hazardous than changing the radio station.

Come on, folks! The technology has made this very safe. I can see banning texting, and even holding a phone up to your ear (which is stretching it), but NOT hands-free! :gah
 
It is not a matter for the Federal government.

It should instead, be helping states that border Mexico with their fight against illegal immigration.
 
I think the most scary thing about this is if they install stuff on the cars that jam signals. My question would be then what about GPS? As a technician, I realize there are frequency differences, but a transmitting jamming signal is sometimes strong enough to hinder other frequencies (like being on top of a radio tower the station comes in on all channels).

I think businesses like OnStar and other GPS type security systems installed in cars will have their say in court as well, as putting in anything that blocks a signal will cut into their business.

On the practical end of things, as long as there is no jamming signal, one can just try to "get away with it" and if there is an accident don't admit you were on the cell phone. You thought you saw a deer ( or in the city a pedestrian) and turned your head at the same time as you rammed into the other guy or something to that effect. Also, on the Internet here, I'm sure if there's a jamming device that there will be ways they tell you to get around it and bypass it (e.g. disconnect or shield it) which is something I would attempt to do. And then just put it back to normal every time you take it into the garage in case you have an establishment government-runner squeak for a mechanic that has to tell everything to the leeching communists that pretend to believe in the constitution, er, I mean authorities. :lol
 
tim-from-pa said:
I think the most scary thing about this is if they install stuff on the cars that jam signals. My question would be then what about GPS? As a technician, I realize there are frequency differences, but a transmitting jamming signal is sometimes strong enough to hinder other frequencies (like being on top of a radio tower the station comes in on all channels).

I think businesses like OnStar and other GPS type security systems installed in cars will have their say in court as well, as putting in anything that blocks a signal will cut into their business.

On the practical end of things, as long as there is no jamming signal, one can just try to "get away with it" and if there is an accident don't admit you were on the cell phone. You thought you saw a deer ( or in the city a pedestrian) and turned your head at the same time as you rammed into the other guy or something to that effect. Also, on the Internet here, I'm sure if there's a jamming device that there will be ways they tell you to get around it and bypass it (e.g. disconnect or shield it) which is something I would attempt to do. And then just put it back to normal every time you take it into the garage in case you have an establishment government-runner squeak for a mechanic that has to tell everything to the leeching communists that pretend to believe in the constitution, er, I mean authorities. :lol
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i hate to bust your bubble a little.

you wont be able to do that easily when an accident occurs
. they can tell if you hit your brakes upon impact(the lights when they burn out tell) and also the black box. they know what speed and also what was on.


sorry. my shop deals with accidents that involves deaths.

one quite recently with a double fatality that involved a dui. and the goverment tell s you when you can change you tires.

and what brake fluids and what colors of lights etc already.

i can post the standards of that if you like.
 
I realize that there is a big difference between texting and talking on a hands free device.

However, there have been a number of studies done regarding the use of hands free devices and they have shown that someone talking on a hand free device is still seriously distracted.

Why is still the big question. Because people in cars talk all the time. Why is it more distracting and impairing to the driver to talk to someone not in the car? Most theorize that it's because when talking to people in the car, the others have the same context as the driver...they can tell when traffic is getting heavier, when driving conditions are deteriorating, they respond to the same cues the driver has sometimes even helping the driver. "Honey our exit is coming up." "Dude, watch out for that guy in the Toyota."

But, a person talking to a driver on a cell phone isn't there to experience and respond to the same conditions that the driver is. Talking to someone away from the driving situation is just an added distraction.

It seems like common sense that a driver could/would/should just tell the other person that driving conditions are deteriorating but, for whatever reason, enough don't. And that is why even hands free phoning in cars cause an increase in accidents.

This is a rather crude comparison, but I'm going to use it because it actually makes a good illustration. One can compare hands free devices with ...ahem...using condoms during sex. They give the illusion of things being "safer" and are probably "safer" than nothing...but that doesn't mean that "abstinence" isn't the safest way to go.

Two studies regarding hands free devices and driving:

http://www.physorg.com/news147336553.html

http://www.urwelcome.us/Jstill/Cellular_Phones.htm

There haven't been enough studies to determine without any doubt that talking on hands free devices are as dangerous as drunk driving (which talking/texting on a hand held phone is). But, there is enough evidence, both through scientific studies and real world experience behind the NTSB's recommendations that all cell phone use be banned while driving.
 
handy said:
I realize that there is a big difference between texting and talking on a hands free device.

However, there have been a number of studies done regarding the use of hands free devices and they have shown that someone talking on a hand free device is still seriously distracted.

Why is still the big question. Because people in cars talk all the time. Why is it more distracting and impairing to the driver to talk to someone not in the car? Most theorize that it's because when talking to people in the car, the others have the same context as the driver...they can tell when traffic is getting heavier, when driving conditions are deteriorating, they respond to the same cues the driver has sometimes even helping the driver. "Honey our exit is coming up." "Dude, watch out for that guy in the Toyota."

But, a person talking to a driver on a cell phone isn't there to experience and respond to the same conditions that the driver is. Talking to someone away from the driving situation is just an added distraction.

It seems like common sense that a driver could/would/should just tell the other person that driving conditions are deteriorating but, for whatever reason, enough don't. And that is why even hands free phoning in cars cause an increase in accidents.

This is a rather crude comparison, but I'm going to use it because it actually makes a good illustration. One can compare hands free devices with ...ahem...using condoms during sex. They give the illusion of things being "safer" and are probably "safer" than nothing...but that doesn't mean that "abstinence" isn't the safest way to go.

Two studies regarding hands free devices and driving:

http://www.physorg.com/news147336553.html

http://www.urwelcome.us/Jstill/Cellular_Phones.htm

There haven't been enough studies to determine without any doubt that talking on hands free devices are as dangerous as drunk driving (which talking/texting on a hand held phone is). But, there is enough evidence, both through scientific studies and real world experience behind the NTSB's recommendations that all cell phone use be banned while driving.
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on all military installations that is a law already, been that way since 2007.

even hands free are gone i think.
 
Tim, you need to remember that when you use a cell phone, the records can be pulled up by the cell phone company. I don't think your "Bambi" strategy would work! ;)

I did read in one of the articles I was going through about this subject that GPS and things like Garmen's and Tom-tom's will be excepted.

I don't know about using those Garmen things either though. When I was in San Fransisco last year, my friend was using her's and I was thoroughly unimpressed. She followed it's directions precisely, and still it got us off course three times and twice took us a long way out of the way. My friend is a good driver, she's been driving for 34 years now, has never caused any accidents and has had only one minor traffic ticket, back in 1983. But, she was trying to follow the Garmen's directions on the Bay Area's freeways and quite frankly, I got scared several times. Back in the day, when we would go over there, we just got a map and mapped out our destination and got in the car and drove. No problems. Worked a lot better than the Garmen saying "Take next right" and the next right was within 100 feet, causing her to make the turn too quickly and dangerously, only to find out that we were then on the wrong street. Then it started to take us back in the opposite direction to where we were going. Even when it became obvious the thing was trying to tell her to get back on the freeway, if we followed it's directions, we would have gone passed the on-ramp. I finally said, "Let's get back on the freeway and then take it to the second exit." We did and were at the motel within 5 minutes.
 
jasoncran said:
i hate to bust your bubble a little.

you wont be able to do that easily when an accident occurs
. they can tell if you hit your brakes upon impact(the lights when they burn out tell) and also the black box. they know what speed and also what was on.


sorry. my shop deals with accidents that involves deaths.

one quite recently with a double fatality that involved a dui. and the goverment tell s you when you can change you tires.

and what brake fluids and what colors of lights etc already.

i can post the standards of that if you like.
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So, if I'm going a little fast and really turned my head (e.g. for a pedestrian) and failed to see the guy stopped in front of me as opposed to being distracted by using the cell phone, they can tell the difference? I don't think so unless you are laying there unconscious and the cell phone is open on the floor, then the circumstantial evidence evidence is compelling. Either way, I am still going the same speed and either way I hesitated. That's all that can be determined, not the cause for the hesitation. But I am taking the stance that you are OK enough to even stand up and talk--- and that nobody actually saw you using the cell phone. I guess a more serious accident is harder to hide the evidence.
 
tim-from-pa said:
So, if I'm going a little fast and really turned my head (e.g. for a pedestrian) and failed to see the guy stopped in front of me as opposed to being distracted by using the cell phone, they can tell the difference? I don't think so unless you are laying there unconscious and the cell phone is open on the floor, then the circumstantial evidence evidence is compelling. Either way, I am still going the same speed and either way I hesitated. That's all that can be determined, not the cause for the hesitation. But I am taking the stance that you are OK enough to even stand up and talk--- and that nobody actually saw you using the cell phone. I guess a more serious accident is harder to hide the evidence.
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well of course if it seriously only. that level to my knowledge is for only fatal injuries or such like.
 
handy said:
I realize that there is a big difference between texting and talking on a hands free device.

However, there have been a number of studies done regarding the use of hands free devices and they have shown that someone talking on a hand free device is still seriously distracted.

Why is still the big question. Because people in cars talk all the time. Why is it more distracting and impairing to the driver to talk to someone not in the car? Most theorize that it's because when talking to people in the car, the others have the same context as the driver...they can tell when traffic is getting heavier, when driving conditions are deteriorating, they respond to the same cues the driver has sometimes even helping the driver. "Honey our exit is coming up." "Dude, watch out for that guy in the Toyota."

But, a person talking to a driver on a cell phone isn't there to experience and respond to the same conditions that the driver is. Talking to someone away from the driving situation is just an added distraction.

It seems like common sense that a driver could/would/should just tell the other person that driving conditions are deteriorating but, for whatever reason, enough don't. And that is why even hands free phoning in cars cause an increase in accidents.

This is a rather crude comparison, but I'm going to use it because it actually makes a good illustration. One can compare hands free devices with ...ahem...using condoms during sex. They give the illusion of things being "safer" and are probably "safer" than nothing...but that doesn't mean that "abstinence" isn't the safest way to go.

Two studies regarding hands free devices and driving:

http://www.physorg.com/news147336553.html

http://www.urwelcome.us/Jstill/Cellular_Phones.htm

There haven't been enough studies to determine without any doubt that talking on hands free devices are as dangerous as drunk driving (which talking/texting on a hand held phone is). But, there is enough evidence, both through scientific studies and real world experience behind the NTSB's recommendations that all cell phone use be banned while driving.
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Brilliant! Erudite!
I have a gift for you for this:

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I will give you one of the medals, good brain:thumbsup
 
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