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beloved57 said:
You have not solved the problem. You have some people who are enemies and unbelievers that are reconciled to God, and some enemies and unbelievers that are under Gods Wrath and Condemnation. You have not solved that. Why are some reconciled to God while being enemies and some are not ?
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EVERYBODY who is born is an enemy of God.
Those that are reconciled to God (a work God started) have accepted God's gift of salvation- JESUS.

Those that are NOT reconciled to God do NOT accept God's gift of salvation.

If you don't understand this, then there is NO solution to your problem and you must
continue through life believing that a good and loving God purposefully sends people to hell for no reason at all other than that He wants to.

Wondering
 
wondering

EVERYBODY who is born is an enemy of God.
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Who denied that ? You are missing the point ! Some enemys of God are reconciled to God while being enemies by Christ's death Rom 5:10 and others are not !
 
wondering

Those that are reconciled to God (a work God started) have accepted God's gift of salvation- JESUS.
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Thats not scriptural. There are some who are reconciled to God while they are enemies, they have not accepted anything Rom 5:10 !
 
beloved57 said:
Explain it then, for no one else has. Most of the pages are about things I have no interest in.
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You said in your OP that Christ did not die for everyone.
I consider that an anti-christian statement
That makes you an anti-christ.
So why should I answer anything you say?
 
beloved57 said:
wondering

Thats not scriptural. There are some who are reconciled to God while they are enemies, they have not accepted anything Rom 5:10 !
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Wondering is correct in her biblical theology when she stated: 'Those that are reconciled to God (a work God started) have accepted God's gift of salvation- JESUS'

According to Jesus himself, 'Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God' (John 1:12 NIV).

So to become children of God - reconciled with God - people have to 'receive' Jesus. How does that happen? 'They 'believed in his name'. That's Jesus and I'm sticking with his theology.

Oz
 
beloved57 said:
Some enemys of God are reconciled to God while being enemies by Christ's death Rom 5:10 and others are not !
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Most universal (to mankind) atonement theology folk claim that all mankind are reconciled by Jesus' death on the cross, but that said reconciliation/His death on the cross is made essentially worthless without faith in Jesus by the individual.

The proof that reconciliation of enemies of the Gospel is valid is found in Romans 11:25-32, showing that as it pertains to Israel, they shall all be saved by the decision of God to do so, even though the majority of them are enemies of the Gospel. They are saved for the sakes of their fathers, not by their own actions of belief or faith. THEREFORE the death of Jesus on the cross was sufficient to reconcile their sins, even without faith or belief in Jesus.

And this puts a rather large dent in both determinist and freewill camps. The salvation of these enemies of the Gospel has to transpire post death, since Paul states they "are" enemies, present tense. Not future tense enemies of future Israel. All means all of them. Even without faith in their present life.

We know that in this present life there is only a remnant who believe. We also know that faith has to originate with God alone, from the scriptures, in Matt. 23:23 for example.

The fact that God Is Sovereign over what choices man makes is found in Gods Ability, at His Own Discretion, to terminate any person's life at any time, as shown by the flood, S&G, or terminating the life of disobedient prophets such as found in 1 Kings 13 for examples. We're God really all that interested in giving people the space of time to repent none of this kind of termination of temporal life at Gods Sole Discretion's would exist.
 
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beloved57 said:
Not all men are reconciled to God by Christ's death while being enemies, and thats simply because Christ's death was not for everyone without exception. Thats why some are reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 and why some are under Gods wrath and condemnation while being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 !

There is simply only one explanation for this, Christ died for some who are enemies and unbelievers and did not die for others who are enemies and unbelievers !

The enemies and unbelievers that Christ died for are reconciled to God by it, did not perform any conditions whatsoever, because they were actively enemies and unbelievers, So Christ fulfilled all the conditions necessary for them to be reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers !
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Sounds like you're referring to the same situation as in the parable of the wheat and the tares.
 
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