No where in the Renewed Covenant

[Elteqay]

Messiah said; Think not that I Am come to destroy the Torah or the prophets: For I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass not one Yod or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled....all of the Scripture has not been fulfilled.

There is a double condition here:
Till Heaven and Earth pass [condition #1]
not one Yod or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah [ action]
till all be fulfilled. [condition #2]

Jesus is not referring to all of scripture but to the Law [Torah]
In other words the law will not ever pass away (condition #1) unless it is fulfilled first (condition #2).
Now Jesus says he has come to fulfil the Law – and he does.

So when Jesus fulfilled the law it became obsolete, as Heb 8:13 says
In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

BTW Your translation says "Think not that I Am come to destroy the Torah". But Jesus did not destroy the Law. He fulfilled. it.

And again - you are ignoring all the scriptures I gave you in post #6 that show you are wrong?
I wonder why?
Is it because you have no answer to them?

Think what you want !
Considering you have no idea what the Set Apart Times are, then you don't know if the Torah and the Prophets have been fulfilled. Acts 3:19-21 makes it clear ALL is NOT Fulfilled.

 

[Mungo]

Think what you want !
Considering you have no idea what the Set Apart Times are, then you don't know if the Torah and the Prophets have been fulfilled. Acts 3:19-21 makes it clear ALL is NOT Fulfilled.

Ha!.
Failed again. You are just not addressing the posts.

"Till Heaven and Earth pass not one Yod or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled"
Nothing about fulfilling the prophets. It's about the Law being fulfilled.

 

[Elteqay]

Ha!.
Failed again. You are just not addressing the posts.

"Till Heaven and Earth pass not one Yod or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled"
Nothing about fulfilling the prophets. It's about the Law being fulfilled.

So Messiah fulfilled the Law, now we can murder, steal, commit adultery, fornicate.....I hear ya loud and clear.

 

[Mungo]

So Messiah fulfilled the Law, now we can murder, steal, commit adultery, fornicate.....I hear ya loud and clear.

No, that's a really stupid comment.
You are failing to understand Covenants and Covenant Law.

I wrote this in another thread on this topic

Some points to consider.
1. There are different categories of laws - moral, ceremonial, societal, and whether they apply to a particular person depends on the category and addressee.

2. I believe that there is an eternal moral law that mankind can know and is subject to. These are moral imperatives that are applicable to all peoples in all places throughout all time. These laws are written on our hearts and made known to us by our consciences (see Rom 1:19 & 2:14-15).

A good example of this is the murder of another human being. This was wrong from the beginning. We know this because God condemned Cain for murdering Abel, and Cain knew he had done wrong. (Gen 4:8-12)

God specifically told Noah If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; For in the image of God has man been made. (Gen 9:6).

God specifically put this law into the covenant law that he gave to the Israelites on Sinai (Ex 20:13). When that law was abrogated this did not make murder OK, the eternal moral law remains. Moreover we can find this command re-iterated in the New Covenant that is applicable to Christians. (e.g. Mt 15:19, 1Tim 1:9, 1Jn 3:15).

It not so much that murder is wrong because it is in the Ten Commandments, but that it is in the Ten Commandments because it is wrong.

Every countries legal code has a law against murder. But a countries legal code is only applicable to those under its jurisdiction. Similarly the legal code that is the Ten Commandments was only applicable to those under its jurisdiction – namely Jews or those living under their land (their jurisdiction).

3. Sabbath keeping is a ceremonial law given to the Israelites; an important one because it is the sign of the their Covenant. But is was only applicable to those living under that covenant, or those gentiles living with them.

4. An understanding of Covenants is very important. From the very beginning God has dealt with mankind with a series of covenants - even with Adam (Hosea 6:7).
The Sinai (Mosaic) Covenant was a temporary covenant. I has been superseded by the New Covenant.
When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

5. Apart from the eternal moral laws, the laws for one covenant do not apply to another one (thought they may have similar laws). You need to understand which Covenant belong to in order to know which laws apply to you.

.I am a UK citizen and UK laws apply to me. But if I travels to the USA then USA laws apply to me as long as I am staying in the US.
Similarly I live under the New Covenant and not the Old Covenant. The old Covenant laws do not apply to me. The eternal moral laws apply to me, but not the ceremonial laws in the Old Covenant (e.g. sabbath keeping).

 

[Elteqay]

No, that's a really stupid comment.
You are failing to understand Covenants and Covenant Law.

I wrote this in another thread on this topic

Some points to consider.
1. There are different categories of laws - moral, ceremonial, societal, and whether they apply to a particular person depends on the category and addressee.

2. I believe that there is an eternal moral law that mankind can know and is subject to. These are moral imperatives that are applicable to all peoples in all places throughout all time. These laws are written on our hearts and made known to us by our consciences (see Rom 1:19 & 2:14-15).

A good example of this is the murder of another human being. This was wrong from the beginning. We know this because God condemned Cain for murdering Abel, and Cain knew he had done wrong. (Gen 4:8-12)

God specifically told Noah If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; For in the image of God has man been made. (Gen 9:6).

God specifically put this law into the covenant law that he gave to the Israelites on Sinai (Ex 20:13). When that law was abrogated this did not make murder OK, the eternal moral law remains. Moreover we can find this command re-iterated in the New Covenant that is applicable to Christians. (e.g. Mt 15:19, 1Tim 1:9, 1Jn 3:15).

It not so much that murder is wrong because it is in the Ten Commandments, but that it is in the Ten Commandments because it is wrong.

Every countries legal code has a law against murder. But a countries legal code is only applicable to those under its jurisdiction. Similarly the legal code that is the Ten Commandments was only applicable to those under its jurisdiction – namely Jews or those living under their land (their jurisdiction).

3. Sabbath keeping is a ceremonial law given to the Israelites; an important one because it is the sign of the their Covenant. But is was only applicable to those living under that covenant, or those gentiles living with them.

4. An understanding of Covenants is very important. From the very beginning God has dealt with mankind with a series of covenants - even with Adam (Hosea 6:7).
The Sinai (Mosaic) Covenant was a temporary covenant. I has been superseded by the New Covenant.
When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

5. Apart from the eternal moral laws, the laws for one covenant do not apply to another one (thought they may have similar laws). You need to understand which Covenant belong to in order to know which laws apply to you.

.I am a UK citizen and UK laws apply to me. But if I travels to the USA then USA laws apply to me as long as I am staying in the US.
Similarly I live under the New Covenant and not the Old Covenant. The old Covenant laws do not apply to me. The eternal moral laws apply to me, but not the ceremonial laws in the Old Covenant (e.g. sabbath keeping).

The the Covenant that you claim is new is actually a Renewed Covenant for Yahuda and Yashar'el. Jeremiah 31:31-34....funny thing is....it doesn't mention goyim.....so you have to be grafted into the Olive Tree. Romans 11.

 

[Mungo]

The the Covenant that you claim is new is actually a Renewed Covenant for Yahuda and Yashar'el. Jeremiah 31:31-34....funny thing is....it doesn't mention goyim.....so you have to be grafted into the Olive Tree. Romans 11.

No, Its a NEW Covenant.
Jeremiah said NEW Covenant not renewed covenant.
Jesus said NEW Covenant not renewed covenant.

The Old (Sinai) Covenant is no more as I explained in post #6 and for which you keep avoiding the scriptures that prove you wrong.

 

[Elteqay]

No, Its a NEW Covenant.
Jeremiah said NEW Covenant not renewed covenant.
Jesus said NEW Covenant not renewed covenant.

The Old (Sinai) Covenant is no more as I explained in post #6 and for which you keep avoiding the scriptures that prove you wrong.

No,Jeremiah did not. Any decent Hebrew Lexicon will prove you wrong !

The 10 Commandments written on sapphire stones, now written on the Hearts of the True Called Out One's.

This thread is about book, chapter, and verse where the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob personally changed His Sabbath and His Set Apart Feast in the Renewed Covenant Scriptures. Not what Rome teaches.

 

[Mungo]

No,Jeremiah did not. Any decent Hebrew Lexicon will prove you wrong !

All reputable translations (including the KJV) say new covenant not renewed covenant.

The 10 Commandments written on sapphire stones, now written on the Hearts of the True Called Out One's.

Doesn't matter what the Ten Commandments were written on, they were given as (Sinai) Covenant Law. As such they no longer apply and the old Covenant is obsolete as I have shown.

This thread is about book, chapter, and verse where the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob personally changed His Sabbath and His Set Apart Feast in the Renewed Covenant Scriptures. Not what Rome teaches.

I'm using the scriptures not Catholic teaching.
I've shown you the books, chapters and verses - see post #6
You just have no answer to the scripture I've given you.

 

[Elteqay]

All reputable translations (including the KJV) say new covenant not renewed covenant.


Doesn't matter what the Ten Commandments were written on, they were given as (Sinai) Covenant Law. As such they no longer apply and the old Covenant is obsolete as I have shown.


I'm using the scriptures not Catholic teaching.
I've shown you the books, chapters and verses - see post #6
You just have no answer to the scripture I've given you.

All reputable translations (including the KJV) say new covenant not renewed covenant.


Doesn't matter what the Ten Commandments were written on, they were given as (Sinai) Covenant Law. As such they no longer apply and the old Covenant is obsolete as I have shown.


I'm using the scriptures not Catholic teaching.
I've shown you the books, chapters and verses - see post #6
You just have no answer to the scripture I've given you.

The Older Covenant is obsolete to you.
The Hebrew word found in Jeremiah 31:31....is chadash which is the same word used for new moon, so is the moon new every month or is it refreshed, rebuilt, RENEWED !

 

[Mungo]

The Older Covenant is obsolete to you.
The Hebrew word found in Jeremiah 31:31....is chadash which is the same word used for new moon, so is the moon new every month or is it refreshed, rebuilt, RENEWED !

Wow. You must be desperate to try and compare God's covenant with a moon.
But it is easily refuted. If you actually read what Jeremiah said in chap 31 you will see your claim is false.
“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord."

It clearly states the new covenant will not be like the old one.

Moreover the word for new in Hebrews 8:: where the writer quotes Jeremiah is kainen - Strong G2537, whereas new moon in Col 2:16 is noumenias - Strong G3561

Also as you say new in Jer 31:31 is chadash - Strong H2319, whereas new moon is chadosh - Strong H2320 and it means new moon not just new.

 

[Elteqay]

Wow. You must be desperate to try and compare God's covenant with a moon.
But it is easily refuted. If you actually read what Jeremiah said in chap 31 you will see your claim is false.
“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord."

It clearly states the new covenant will not be like the old one.

Moreover the word for new in Hebrews 8:: where the writer quotes Jeremiah is kainen - Strong G2537, whereas new moon in Col 2:16 is noumenias - Strong G3561

Also as you say new in Jer 31:31 is chadash - Strong H2319, whereas new moon is chadosh - Strong H2320 and it means new moon not just new.

You know very well the comparison that was made ....it is a Renewed Covenant just as it is a Renewed Moon...strong's uses the masoretic nikkudoth vowel points....which is probably new to you.

The nikkudoth changes all the words in Scripture, you might want to think about that.

 

[Mungo]

You know very well the comparison that was made ....it is a Renewed Covenant just as it is a Renewed Moon...strong's uses the masoretic nikkudoth vowel points....which is probably new to you.

It's not a comparison that Jeremiah or Hebrews makes. It's you personal opinion and is not supported by scripture.

In both the OT and NT the new in new commandment and new moon are different words.
And you are failing to respond to the scriptures that show you are wrong:
“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord." (Jer 31:31)

Paul is quite clear that the Jews are no longer under that Law.
Galatians 3:
Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

Col 2 says much the same:
And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2:14)

The Book of Hebrews makes this replacement of the Old Covenant by the New very clear.
On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness, for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:18-19)

When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah; not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
(Heb 8:7-9)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

 

[Elteqay]

It's not a comparison that Jeremiah or Hebrews makes. It's you personal opinion and is not supported by scripture.

In both the OT and NT the new in new commandment and new moon are different words.
And you are failing to respond to the scriptures that show you are wrong:
“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord." (Jer 31:31)

Paul is quite clear that the Jews are no longer under that Law.
Galatians 3:
Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

Col 2 says much the same:
And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2:14)

The Book of Hebrews makes this replacement of the Old Covenant by the New very clear.
On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness, for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:18-19)

When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah; not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
(Heb 8:7-9)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

The Hebrew word found in Jeremiah 31:31....as new and is spelled; hey...dalet... shin. The word for new as in new moon is spelled; hey... dalet... shin....and they are both spelled the same and the Word means renewed, rebuild, restore, repair and refresh. The root is hey dalet shin and is used by David in prayer as Renew a right spirit within me.

It was convenient to leave out Hebrews 8:10...this is the Covenant l will cut with the house of Yashar'el after those days, says Yahuah; I will put My Torah into their mind, and write it in their hearts: and I will be their Elohiym, and they shall be My people.

The same Torah written on stone, now written on the Hearts of men.....a Renewed Covenant!

 

[Mungo]

The Hebrew word found in Jeremiah 31:31....as new and is spelled; hey...dalet... shin. The word for new as in new moon is spelled; hey... dalet... shin....and they are both spelled the same and the Word means renewed, rebuild, restore, repair and refresh. The root is hey dalet shin and is used by David in prayer as Renew a right spirit within me.

According to Strong 2319 the word new found in Jeremiah 31:31 is chadash, phonetic spelling khaw-dawsh'.

Where are the 2320 the word new moon is chadosh, phonetic spelling kho'-desh.

Note chadosh is not new but new moon. If it were the same as in Jer 31:31 then the translation would be new moon covenant. Jeremiah.
As I keep point out they are not the same word either in the Hebrew OT or in the Greek NT.
In the Greek OT (LXXX) new in Jer 31:31 is not the same as new moon (note still one word).

Your claim that they are the same is totally false.

It was convenient to leave out Hebrews 8:10...this is the Covenant l will cut with the house of Yashar'el after those days, says Yahuah; I will put My Torah into their mind, and write it in their hearts: and I will be their Elohiym, and they shall be My people.

The same Torah written on stone, now written on the Hearts of men.....a Renewed Covenant!

No it isn't the same law.
When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12).
New priesthood, new law. Just because it uses the same word - law, it doesn't mean the laws are the same.

Paul is quite clear that the Jews are no longer under that Law.
Galatians 3:
Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

Col 2 says much the same:
And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2:14)

The Book of Hebrews makes this replacement of the Old Covenant by the New very clear.
On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness, for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:18-19)

When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah; not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
(Heb 8:7-9)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

Try addressing the scriptures I have given you instead of dodging around like a cat on a hot tin roof.

 

[Elteqay]

According to Strong 2319 the word new found in Jeremiah 31:31 is chadash, phonetic spelling khaw-dawsh'.

Where are the 2320 the word new moon is chadosh, phonetic spelling kho'-desh.

Note chadosh is not new but new moon. If it were the same as in Jer 31:31 then the translation would be new moon covenant. Jeremiah.
As I keep point out they are not the same word either in the Hebrew OT or in the Greek NT.
In the Greek OT (LXXX) new in Jer 31:31 is not the same as new moon (note still one word).

Your claim that they are the same is totally false.




No it isn't the same law.
When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12).
New priesthood, new law. Just because it uses the same word - law, it doesn't mean the laws are the same.

Paul is quite clear that the Jews are no longer under that Law.
Galatians 3:
Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

Col 2 says much the same:
And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2:14)

The Book of Hebrews makes this replacement of the Old Covenant by the New very clear.
On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness, for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:18-19)

When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah; not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
(Heb 8:7-9)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

Try addressing the scriptures I have given you instead of dodging around like a cat on a hot tin roof.

The nikkudoth is Talmudic Judaism oral torah....it was never used until the Masoretic text....you don't have to believe it.....but you have no clue as to what you speak.....Hebrews 8:10 repeats Jeremiah 31:31...a Renewed Covenant!

 

[Mungo]

The nikkudoth is Talmudic Judaism oral torah....it was never used until the Masoretic text....you don't have to believe it.....but you have no clue as to what you speak.....Hebrews 8:10 repeats Jeremiah 31:31...a Renewed Covenant!

Neither of them say renewed covenant.

Bible Gateway gives 61 translations of Jer & Heb and all translations except the OJB (which is gibberish) say new. Not one says renewed.

Now are you going to respond to the scriptures I gave you?

Please explain why: "not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt" actually means similar to the covenant I made......

 

[Elteqay]

Neither of them say renewed covenant.

Bible Gateway gives 61 translations of Jer & Heb and all translations except the OJB (which is gibberish) say new. Not one says renewed.

Now are you going to respond to the scriptures I gave you?

Please explain why: "not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt" actually means similar to the covenant I made......

What is different is, the writing of the Commandments was on stone, now the Commandments are written on the heart.... same Commandments....a Renewed Covenant.....and all 61 of those bible translations have a copyright. Rome has a plan and it has been working very well since 325 AD. and as the time expands from that date it works even better.

But the time is coming that more and more people will break the yoke of bondage of the Roman Catholics as well as the Pro testing Catholics by seeing the Truth of Yahuah Tsevaoth's Holy Scriptures. The will learn the Clean from the unclean.

 

[Mungo]

What is different is, the writing of the Commandments was on stone, now the Commandments are written on the heart.... same Commandments....a Renewed Covenant.....and all 61 of those bible translations have a copyright. Rome has a plan and it has been working very well since 325 AD. and as the time expands from that date it works even better.

But the time is coming that more and more people will break the yoke of bondage of the Roman Catholics as well as the Pro testing Catholics by seeing the Truth of Yahuah Tsevaoth's Holy Scriptures. The will learn the Clean from the unclean.

You keep claiming it is a renewed covenant but have no evidence except your own opinion.

You keep ignoring all the scriptural evidence that refutes your claims.

 

[Elteqay]

You keep claiming it is a renewed covenant but have no evidence except your own opinion.

You keep ignoring all the scriptural evidence that refutes your claims.

You're taking the opinion of Rabbis that have come up with the nikkudoth. There is only one thing that Jews and Gentiles agree on, Torah is not for you. According to the nikkudoth Mary wasn't a virgin.

 

[Mungo]

You're taking the opinion of Rabbis that have come up with the nikkudoth. There is only one thing that Jews and Gentiles agree on, Torah is not for you.

Still no evidence to backup your opinions.
Still no attempt to address all the scriptures I gave you that show you are wrong.

According to the nikkudoth Mary wasn't a virgin.

Irrelevant to the topic.
Just an attempt to divert from your failure.