Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
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Bonus fun fact: That story is just a Creationist invention. Neanderthals and anatomically modern humans are descended from earlier humans. They just evolved into different biological races. No one with any knowledge of humans at all would buy that "evolved from the monkey's ancestors" story.
You have only a partial answer.No, this is false. The stress comes from wave action on the hull.
Hogging is the stress a ship's hull or keel experiences that causes the center or the keel to bend upward. Sagging is the stress a ship's hull or keel is placed under when a wave is the same length as the ship and the ship is in the trough of two waves. This causes the middle of the ship to bend down slightly, and depending on the level of bend, may cause the hull to snap or crack.
Hogging and sagging - Wikipedia
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Very large wooden vessels have flexed so much that massive leaking resulted.
No.
That's been tested. The Wyoming was a wooden ship the length of the Ark. It had to be continuously pumped out by steam bilge pumps so that it would not sink.
Nope. That has actually been tested on a real ship about as long as the Ark was said to be. This is why no creationist group will every build and Ark and test it in the ocean. They already know what would happen.
Salt or brackish water wouldn't work for the animals. And of course, the pumps would require more energy than the animals would be able to provide on a 24-hour a day basis. I'd be open to your numbers showing otherwise. Two large steam engines were required to run the pumps on the Wyoming, which proved to be not enough in heavy seas.
No.
The stress on the hull is almost entirely from hogging and sagging. The reason wooden vessels the size of the Ark will quickly leak and sink if not pumped out continuously is that flewing of the hull due to wave action.
That's been tested. The Wyoming was a wooden ship the length of the Ark. It had to be continuously pumped out by steam bilge pumps so that it would not sink.
With a length of 450 ft (140 m) from jib-boom tip to spanker boom tip, Wyoming was the largest known wooden ship ever built.
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Because of her extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see hogging and sagging). Wyoming had to use pumps to keep her hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, she foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands.”
Wyoming: Largest Wooden Ship Ever Built (in Bath, ME)
Today, visitors can appreciate a full-size sculpture of the schooner Wyoming on the grounds of the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath, Maine.www.experiencemaritimemaine.org
Nope. That has actually been tested on a real ship about as long as the Ark was said to be. This is why no creationist group will every build and Ark and test it in the ocean. They already know what would happen.
Salt or brackish water wouldn't work for the animals. And of course, the pumps would require more energy than the animals would be able to provide on a 24-hour a day basis. I'd be open to your numbers showing otherwise. Two large steam engines were required to run the pumps on the Wyoming, which proved to be not enough in heavy seas.
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Lol! Who 'invented' it? Bob? Larry? Frank?
So you say that 'neanderthals were also men' was invented by YECs but then you state it as fact????
I thought you said the concept of "human raceS" was debunked/moot.
Someone hasn't been up to date on K2KE news & agenda. Or mabye just using "monke vs ape" to dodge again!
Plenty of athiests, compromisers, and these guys in these 2 links sure did!
That excuse won't work, either. The Wyoming immediately leaked because of wave action and required two steam engines to continuously pump out water.
First time I encountered it, Duane Gish of the Institute for Creation Research. Just made it up. Debunked almost immediately, but some creationists still trot it out from time to time.
No. They learned that from real scientists. What they made up was the "ancestors that came from the monkey's ancestors." Complete fabrication. But Gish knew almost nothing of biology, so he never realized how foolish it was for him to claim that's what evolutionary theory says. Ignorant creationists have continued to use if from time time. I'm surprised anyone still would do that. A few dodge the issue by saying "well apes are just like monkeys" which is an incredibly ignorant statement.
There are no biological races today, contrary to creationist teaching. But there were at one time. A few scientists think Neandertals were different enough to be considered separate species, but the genetic data indicates they were a race of H. sapiens, as we are.
But not any biologists? Guess why. If you learn nothing else from this discussion, learn that monkeys are far too evolved in their own ways to be ancestors of hominids.
So now you know that when YECs say "God Designing", they just mean this.
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The fact that kinds cannot evolve into other kinds already makes this fact clear to me.
It's an implicit insult to God. He is the Creator not a mere "designer." He has no need to figure anything out. Humans design. God creates.
Doesn't matter. Genetics shows that it's a fact. And we know the method works, because we can test it on organisms of known descent.
Well, let's ask a knowledgeable YE creationist, working from a different set of data....
Because of her extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see hogging and sagging). Wyoming had to use pumps to keep her hold relatively free of water.
So far, you haven't shown us anything to believe that it affects hull leakage at all. The force on the mast is at right angles to the forces that cause hogging and sagging.
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Because of her extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see hogging and sagging). Wyoming had to use pumps to keep her hold relatively free of water.
Wyoming: Largest Wooden Ship Ever Built (in Bath, ME)
Today, visitors can appreciate a full-size sculpture of the schooner Wyoming on the grounds of the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath, Maine.www.experiencemaritimemaine.org
So far, you haven't shown us anything to believe that it affects hull leakage at all. The force on the mast is at right angles to the forces that cause hogging and sagging.
Sagging And Hogging Bending Moments: Complete Guide
Sagging and hogging bending moments are 2 types of moments a structure can experience. A structure can bend upward or downward.
Sagging And Hogging Bending Moments: Complete Guide
Sagging and hogging bending moments are 2 types of moments a structure can experience. A structure can bend upward or downward.
It's worth noting that wooden ships, over time develop a measurable permanent hogging because the center of the ship is more buoyant than the bow and stern.
If the force on the mast was a significant factor, the opposite would be true. What evidence do you have for masts affecting leakage? Show us some numbers.
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No, it leaked from the start, and had to be continuously pumped out. It's the nature of wooden vessels that large.
