[__ Science __ ] Noahs Flood explained and Evolution refuted.

[Barbarian]

There is a lot of that. And no, I don't buy the story that God tortures innocent animals to get even with Adam. Stop second-guessing God.

Where'd you get that story from?

YE creationists. They claim that Adam's sin caused God to let innocent animals suffer and die.

You can't sin accidentally. Sin is a rebellion against God.
James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

The legalistic Jews of the OT considered ignorance no excuse. But God does. You are held accountable for the things you knowingly do in rebellion against Him. Notice that Leviticus prescribes no sacrifice for those who intentionally disobey God. The sacrifices were for ritual cleansing.

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

I'm sure you will backpedal on this as you did on Genesis.

The Bible doesn't say how God created matter. Just says He did. Evidence is that the universe began in an expansion from a very dense singularity. But science can't say what was there before that.

Of course it does.

Nope. You just inserted your own desires into the text to make it more acceptable to you.

IF the universe is expanding (i highly doubt it is, but won't touch on that much) why not God creating an expanding universe with no need for a singularity?

You're second-guessing God yet again. Why not just set your pride aside and accept it His way?

if God is still cobbling new, never-seen-before animal kinds (mins) via Evolution

Every now and then we see a new kind of organism. It's not surprising that He would use nature to do it. That's how He made life in the first place. BTW, you still haven't shown us a testable definition of "kind." And everyone understands why.

I doubt science itself says things.

Theories say a great deal. When do you think you might come up with a testable definition of "kind" for us?

 

[KV-44-v1]

Creationists often try that deception, but as you learned, no one with any sense is buying it. You toss up an imaginary theory because you have no way of bringing down the real one.

No. Athiests actually believe in it. Look up "warm little pond".

Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

God causing abiogenesis to occur, and thus animals are formed?

Read your Bible. There's a lot of things contrary to YE creationism there. I just accept it as it is. Your additions are unscriptural.

I don't think you have a solid grasp on what YEC is.
Can you define it for me?

If it's literal, there is no doubt. If it's allegory, IT CAN MEAN ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

You're underestimating God. He uses allegories and parables many times. If you'd just set your pride aside and listen to Him on His terms, you'd do much better.

You're overestimating how much power the technique of "REPITITION" has.
You said something like this repeatedly. IDK where you got the "underestimating" and "pride" parts from.

Listen to Him on His terms in Genesis. If you turn His terms into allegory -which youve done for yourself- you can - and do- shoehorn anything you want into His terms, i.e. MacroEvolution, BigBang, and Deeptime. Basically the "Athiest Trio".

He says it is.

Where?
You'll probably show a verse where GOD HIMSELF caused the 'abiogenesis' to happen.
Still - we never observe ABG happen by non-Supernatural means.

 

[KV-44-v1]

First, the idea that men and monkeys evolved from each other is another creationist superstition.

Explain your thinking. Do you REALLY believe that YEC actually think that man IS the evolutionary descendant of monkeys?

They are both too evolved in their own ways for one to have produced the other.

Created*
You are proving that kinds (min) can only produce after their kind (min). So you help my case.

And of course, advanced toolmaking is one of the key elements in human evolution.

Based on the Biblical text, we can know that humans were Smart from the Start.
If you mean CAFPT (I'll refer to Change in Allele Frequencies in Populations over Time with this acronym from here on. Time to throw out Evolutionary lingo and thus, avoid potential strawmen & affiliation with athiesm.) then yes.
Advances in tech have helped the populous live a bit longer, and there are more opportunities for alleles to change.

because they confused man's YE doctrines with God's word.

It Is So Funny How You Think YoungEarth Is From Man (as opposed to calculations from the Biblical generations, etc.)

""Where Did a Young-earth Worldview Come From?​

Simply put, it came from the Bible. Of course, the Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “The earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t; otherwise it would be out of date the following year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing God to make that kind of a mistake.

God gave us something better. In essence, He gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using a personal birth certificate, a person can calculate how old he is at any point. It is similar with the earth. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation (Genesis 1:1–5). From there, we can begin to calculate the age of the earth.

Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this works. The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first five days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.

Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).

So a simple calculation is:

5 days
+ ~2,000 years
+ ~4,000 years
~6,000 years
""​

 

[follower]

Based on the Biblical text, we can know that humans were Smart from the Start.

Adam was far far far smarter than any genius in the history books , or any genius in the last few centuries, or ever.

People in general once were far far far more able to use their brains
than anyone anywhere on earth today.

At least that fits all the so-called "evidence" !

No one as smart as Adam and Chavah, or Abraham, or King David, or the servants of their servants,
would brook (put up with) any idea of the godless evilution ideas..... and they certainly never thought to discuss such abomination and dishonoring of the Creator and opposing Jesus.

 

[Barbarian]

First, the idea that men and monkeys evolved from each other is another creationist superstition.

Do you REALLY believe that YEC actually think that man IS the evolutionary descendant of monkeys?

Your guys invented it. It's not something evolutionary theory predicts.
They are both too evolved in their own ways for one to have produced the other.

Created*

You'll admit that much, but you refuse to accept the way He did it.

Based on the Biblical text, we can know that humans were Smart from the Start.

It only describes our species. Which came relatively late among humans. Once again, you're adding things to God's word, to make it more acceptable to you.

If you mean CAFPT (I'll refer to Change in Allele Frequencies in Populations over Time with this acronym from here on.

We'll use the scientific term "biological evolution."

It Is So Funny How You Think YoungEarth Is From Man

Invented by the Seventh-Day Adventists in the last century. Prior to that, most creationists were OE creationists. OE was the form of creationism presented by creationists at the Scopes Trial, for example.

Your Adventist "birth certificate" calculation is merely guesswork, trying to adjust scripture to fit your preconceptions.

Adam was far far far smarter than any genius in the history books , or any genius in the last few centuries, or ever.

And yet, when God tells him not to eat from the tree, he does it. Not as smart as you imagine. There is no evidence that Adam was smarter than a human today. Just another thing humans added to His word to make it fit their ideas, not His.

any idea of the godless evilution ideas....

Evolution is God's creation. He made living things with the potential to change over time to adapt to new environments. And His creation shows it. Not one living thing on Earth has adaptations that could not have evolved from earlier organisms.

And genetics has shown this is true. We can test that idea by comparing genomes of organisms of known descent.

Set your pride aside and just accept it God's way.

 

[follower]

First, the idea that men and monkeys evolved from each other is another creationist superstition.

First, no. Promoting errors this bad and wrong takes away any credibility you might possibly have had before. Too much is in error to take your posts seriously as if true.

 

[follower]

Not one living thing on Earth has adaptations that could not have evolved from earlier organisms.

Whether or not anything at all could have evolved at all from anything at all is MUTE.
The total errors of evilution are deadly serious , not just stand alone, but because the errors are permeating the rest of the thoughts also, resulting in total corruption.
And the root of the errors, the seed that started them, is evil. It is not nor ever was from God nor from heaven nor from God's Word nor from God's Plan.
All the living things YHVH CREATED , HE CREATED AS IS.

 

[Barbarian]

Whether or not anything at all could have evolved at all from anything at all is MUTE.

I think you mean "moot." But it isn't. You see, that's strong evidence for evolution. We don't see anything that couldn't have evolved by a change in allele frequencies.

The total errors of evilution are deadly serious , not just stand alone, but because the errors are permeating the rest of the thoughts also, resulting in total corruption.

No, that's wrong, too. Most mutations don't do very much of anything. You have about 100 of them that were present in neither of your parents. A few are harmful, and tend to be removed from the population. A very few are useful and tend to spread through the population. Hence evolution.

And the root of the errors, the seed that started them, is evil. It is not nor ever was from God nor from heaven nor from God's Word nor from God's Plan.

God is not evil. He created living things with the ability to have mutations and to change over time to fit new environments.

All the living things YHVH CREATED , HE CREATED AS IS.

That's your revision of scripture.

 

[Barbarian]

First, the idea that men and monkeys evolved from each other is another creationist superstition.

First, no.

Sorry, you're wrong. Monkeys are far too evolved in their own direction to have evolved into humans. As I said, this is a common YE superstition.

It's not part of evolutionary theory. Perhaps if you spent a little time learning what it actually says, you might gain a little credibility here.

 

[KV-44-v1]

we believe it on His terms, not ours.

Oh? Why is turning history into allegory that COULD mean ANYTHING "believing" it??
Allegory by definition cannot be 'believed'. Belief only applies to literal. Your position is unsustainable. Mine is - cuz it doesn't elevate athiest's OOL/OOK (origin of kinds) mythos, nor try to shoehorn it into Genesis like you do.

You got it backwards. Many evangelicals turned from the Genesis account to the modern revisions of the Seventh-Day Adventists.

LOOOOL. If sda's did anything, they merely ORGANIZED yec. They didn't "invent" it. That's your "supersititon" about us.

The Bible clearly teaches the young-earth creationist view of Genesis 1–11. That was the almost universal belief of the church for 1800 years. Progressive Creationism and Theistic Evolutionism in all their various forms (day-age view, gap theory, framework hypothesis, analogical days view, local flood view, etc.) are recent and novel interpretations that will not stand up to scrutiny with an open Bible. A growing body of overwhelming scientific evidence also shows that evolution and millions of years are religiously motivated myths masquerading as scientific fact."

You are concerned that pagans also knew some kind of evolution was necessary, but you aren't concerned that they knew about blacksmithing.

Why would it be necessary? Tip: don't defer to saying, "it's just CAFPT!" again.

 

[Barbarian]

Oh? Why is turning history into allegory that COULD mean ANYTHING "believing" it??

You may wish to turn allegory into literal history, but you have turned away from God's word in doing so.

Allegory by definition cannot be 'believed'.

If you think so, then you have rejected the Bible.

Belief only applies to literal.

You don't believe His parables? That explains a great deal. Your position is unsustainable; so long as you try to shoehorn your modern revisions into scripture, you'll have set yourself apart from Him and His word.

 

[Barbarian]

If sda's did anything, they merely ORGANIZED yec.

They invented your new doctrines. You're merely copying them.

The Bible clearly teaches the young-earth creationist view of Genesis 1–11. That was the almost universal belief of the church for 1800 years.

St. Augustine pointed out that the "days" of the creation story could not be literal days. No one thought to argue with him. Over 1500 years ago. You need to read your Bible and you need to learn more about the history of His Church.

A growing body of overwhelming scientific evidence also shows that evolution and millions of years are religiously motivated myths masquerading as scientific fact.

You've been indoctrinated to believe so, but your indoctrination is false. Evolution is directly observed to happen in populations all around us. The people who misled you confused evolution with common descent, which is a consequence of evolution, not evolution itself. Many creationists have come to terms with God's creation as it is, and accept the fact of an ancient Earth.

Why not set your pride aside and just accept it His way?

 

[follower]

If sda's did anything, they merely ORGANIZED yec. They didn't "invent" it. That's your "supersititon" about us.

For clarity, I figured you are yec, which is best in line with all Scripture.
But I did not think or know you were/are ??? sda ? which has some not all together good ideas, and some seeming perfectly correct ideas (or used to) .....

 

[reddogs]

I looked at the topics. Unless I missed one, all I saw were reporting changes within the species. That is micro evolution. The evidence for it is clearly there.
None of them show a transformation, or transition, from an existing species to a new, different species.
There is nothing that I have seen that documents this transition.

Dogs don't become cats. Cats don't become dogs. We can produce a mule by breeding a horse and a donkey. But the mule cannot reproduce itself. They are born sterile.

Change from two distinctly different species do not change into a reproducible third distinct species.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

Yes, and nothing can, only the Creator can make a distinct species and instantly, that is one thing evolutionist can't explain...

 

[Barbarian]

Yes, and nothing can, only the Creator can make a distinct species and instantly, that is one thing evolutionist can't explain...

We've observed new species appear, and we see that the Creator makes them by evolving existing species. Darwin explained this a long time ago. Would you like to learn how we know?

 

[follower]

They are both too evolved in their own ways for one to have produced the other.

Or
as we children of God believe
God Created us
and God Created all Creatures Great and Small
and God did not Create anyone to promote evilution.

 

[Barbarian]

They are both too evolved in their own ways for one to have produced the other.

as we children of God believe
God Created us

He did create us. The only difference between us, is you don't approve of the way He did it.

and God did not Create anyone to promote evilution.

He doesn't care if you approve or not. It's not a promotion; it's just the way He does it.

 

[Josef]

Oh? Why is turning history into allegory that COULD mean ANYTHING "believing" it??
Allegory by definition cannot be 'believed'. Belief only applies to literal. Your position is unsustainable. Mine is - cuz it doesn't elevate athiest's OOL/OOK (origin of kinds) mythos, nor try to shoehorn it into Genesis like you do.


LOOOOL. If sda's did anything, they merely ORGANIZED yec. They didn't "invent" it. That's your "supersititon" about us.

The Bible clearly teaches the young-earth creationist view of Genesis 1–11. That was the almost universal belief of the church for 1800 years. Progressive Creationism and Theistic Evolutionism in all their various forms (day-age view, gap theory, framework hypothesis, analogical days view, local flood view, etc.) are recent and novel interpretations that will not stand up to scrutiny with an open Bible. A growing body of overwhelming scientific evidence also shows that evolution and millions of years are religiously motivated myths masquerading as scientific fact."


Why would it be necessary? Tip: don't defer to saying, "it's just CAFPT!" again.

Hey All,
There was a time when it was common belief that the solar system geocentric. Then along came these things called telescopes and a guy named Copernicus. He did something terrible. Through his observations, he determined that, in fact, the solar is heliocentric. Do you know who opposed his findings? That's right, the church. The church does not like to admit that they are wrong. But they were.
How do we know?
Science.
Because something is universally believed does not make it so.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[follower]

heliocentric

Because something is universally believed does not make it so.

The whole world is deceived.

 

[Free]

Hey All,
There was a time when it was common belief that the solar system geocentric. Then along came these things called telescopes and a guy named Copernicus. He did something terrible. Through his observations, he determined that, in fact, the solar is heliocentric. Do you know who opposed his findings? That's right, the church. The church does not like to admit that they are wrong. But they were.
How do we know?
Science.
Because something is universally believed does not make it so.

To be fair, the science of the time believed in geocentrism as well, which was from Aristotle. Both objected and the Church thought it was upholding the scientific model of the previous 1,800-1,900 years.

But, your point is correct--"Because something is universally believed does not make it so."