Bible Study Nothing To Eat For 40 days And Nights.

[JohnDB]

This is one of those things I find so interesting: how did it go from everything that happened (surely more than we have recorded) to what we have in Scripture?

I think we do have what's most important, but how did that weeding out process work?

Paper and ink was extremely expensive at the time of writing. Paper was often washed and re-used. The style of writing was extremely abreviated with many "of course" things left out such as cultural norms, geography and history.
Today we have electronic mediums where people put all that stuff in. But it was basically about bandwidth and value.

The more ideas you could fit in a short amount of writing the better. (Scriptures are the most compact).
What Matthew wrote about Jesus' time "in the wilderness" is very Jewish style of writing. Matthew wasn't there. Matthew could only know what to write if Jesus told him to. This passage can also be read as figurative in a few ways...but not that it didn't happen. The temptations were very real. (Which is the focus of the passage)

What is interesting to see is that all the temptations were very self-serving in some fashion or another. (In some rather deceitful manner). The logic of them sounding very good...but Jesus was better. (Thank God)

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

This thread is reminding my stomach that I really should have breakfast soon.

 

[for_his_glory]

This is one of those things I find so interesting: how did it go from everything that happened (surely more than we have recorded) to what we have in Scripture?

I think we do have what's most important, but how did that weeding out process work?

What JohnDB said in post #27. What has been written is all we need as we could never exhaust the teachings we already have before us.

 

[WIP]

It truly does not matter if before or after, but that Jesus never gave into the temptations, which is the teaching we need to gain from His fast that we never give into temptations in a moment of weakness just like you said as they can become progressively tempting. It is a possibility that there could have been more temptations other than the three that were written.

If it doesn't matter then why did you make the assertion that He was only tempted after the 40 days when He was at His weakest? I also do not believe the three defined temptations were the only ones Jesus faced. I believe Satan most likely hounded Him almost constantly and as vigorously as he could. Satan tempts us daily and it seems the stronger our faith the harder he works and who's faith is stronger than Jesus'? I have no Scriptural basis for this assumption accept that just three temptations, and only one of them revolving around His hunger, would not have been too difficult for Jesus to handle.

 

[for_his_glory]

If it doesn't matter then why did you make the assertion that He was only tempted after the 40 days when He was at His weakest? I also do not believe the three defined temptations were the only ones Jesus faced. I believe Satan most likely hounded Him almost constantly and as vigorously as he could. Satan tempts us daily and it seems the stronger our faith the harder he works and who's faith is stronger than Jesus'? I have no Scriptural basis for this assumption accept that just three temptations, and only one of them revolving around His hunger, would not have been too difficult for Jesus to handle.

In post #23 I wasn't trying to make my main point about Satan tempting Jesus during or after as all we know is what is written. I was mainly showing how Satan attacks at our weakest moments as many do fall to temptaions when they are weak. Jesus gave us the example of defeating Satan by that which is already written when we are weak.

 

[ezrider]

But do thou for me, O God the Lord, for thy name's sake:
because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.
For I am poor and needy,
and my heart is wounded within me.
I am gone like the shadow when it declineth:
I am tossed up and down as the locust.
My knees are weak through fasting;
and my flesh faileth of fatness.
I became also a reproach unto them:
when they looked upon me they shaked their heads.
Help me, O Lord my God:
O save me according to thy mercy:
That they may know that this is thy hand;
that thou, Lord, hast done it.
Let them curse, but bless thou:
when they arise, let them be ashamed; but let thy servant rejoice.
Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame,
and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
I will greatly praise the Lord with my mouth;
yea, I will praise him among the multitude.
For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor,
to save him from those that condemn his soul.

 

[ezrider]

Jesus already knew of His life, death and resurrection that laid ahead of Him as I believe that is what was meant by preparing for His ministry.

The knowledge of his death and resurrection was given him at the mount of transfiguration. It is what Moses and Elijah spoke with him about.

 

[for_his_glory]

The knowledge of his death and resurrection was given him at the mount of transfiguration. It is what Moses and Elijah spoke with him about.

Not sure what this has to do with Jesus fasting for forty days as He already knew before the foundation of the world what God's plan was for Him that would be revealed in God's timing, 1 Peter 1:20.

 

[ezrider]

Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not?
wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge?
Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure,
and exact all your labours.
Behold, ye fast for strife and debate,
and to smite with the fist of wickedness:
ye shall not fast as ye do this day,
to make your voice to be heard on high.
Is it such a fast that I have chosen?
a day for a man to afflict his soul?
is it to bow down his head as a bulrush,
and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him?
wilt thou call this a fast,
and an acceptable day to the Lord?
Is not this the fast that I have chosen?
to loose the bands of wickedness,
to undo the heavy burdens,
and to let the oppressed go free,
and that ye break every yoke?
Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry,
and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house?
when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him;
and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

 

[for_his_glory]

If the word of God is written upon your hear, then how can fasting from the written word be considered taking time of from Christ as you stated? Can you take time off from your own heart?


Jesus went off into the wilderness to fast for 40 days. Did he carry the scriptures with him? After the 40 days had finished, did Jesus carry back with him the Stones to deliver to the people? Moses after he had fasted the 40 days, carried back stones.

It's not the whole of God's word from Genesis to Revelation that is written upon our hearts, but that of His laws only through the old covenant with the house of Israel and the new covenant that includes the Gentiles grafted into the branch with Jesus being the root (foundation), Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 10:16.

Jesus did carry the scriptures with Him in the desert as He is the word of God and needs no written words like we do.

 

[ezrider]

What was said when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost??



Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.
Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

 

[for_his_glory]

What was said when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost??



Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.
Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

What does the siege against Jerusalem in Isaiah 29 have to do with the day of Pentecost. I think you are confusing the spirit of deep sleep with that of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ezrider]

What does the siege against Jerusalem in Isaiah 29 have to do with the day of Pentecost. I think you are confusing the spirit of deep sleep with that of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

When Moses descended from the mountain the first time he carried with him two tablets of stone; but before he had reached the people he did cast them to the ground and broke them in pieces for the wickedness of the people. Some try for all their might with the wisdom of man to piece those stones back together again, a puzzle they must solve. They pick up those stones and then offer them for bread without any understanding. For if one had spent their time learning the mysteries of Christ instead of the mystery of iniquity and the kingdoms of this world, then they would know that the spirit of deep sleep is just part of the process of the new creation.

 

[for_his_glory]

When Moses descended from the mountain the first time he carried with him two tablets of stone; but before he had reached the people he did cast them to the ground and broke them in pieces for the wickedness of the people. Some try for all their might with the wisdom of man to piece those stones back together again, a puzzle they must solve. They pick up those stones and then offer them for bread without any understanding. For if one had spent their time learning the mysteries of Christ instead of the mystery of iniquity and the kingdoms of this world, then they would know that the spirit of deep sleep is just part of the process of the new creation.

Still do not know what this has to do with the OP and how you correlate deep sleep with the new creation?

 

[for_his_glory]

<staff edit>

I did search it and there is no correlation that I can see between the battle in Jerusalem and that of Jesus fasting for forty days. The spirit of deep sleep blinded them from truth as the Holy Spirit opens our Spiritual eyes and ears to all truth.

 

[iLOVE]

To be led by the Holy Spirit means complete control. When we study Luke Chapter 4, Luke points out four key words:

1. Full
2. Led
3. Power
4. Anointed

You can't be led by the Holy Spirit if you are not full of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:6 King James Version (KJV)
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.