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Obamacare repeal fails in U.S. Senate, 49-51

civilwarbuff said:
Obamacare is obamacare no matter where you go in the country.....that is supposed to be one of the 'attributes' of it....it does not differ. Medicaid is an entirely different program and has been around for decades.....long before obamacare.
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If I showed you that you were mistaken would you humble yourself? Or would you deny it and continue to rail?
 
StoveBolts said:
Not in all cases, but some people can get on both because they qualify for both.
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Uhm no,I work and I make to much.been there.my wife is under my insurance which isn't on the exchange .I would have paid less and got less on the exchanges.

300 a month at beat with a 1000 deductible and a max pay out of 5 grand. Yup useless given my wife's pre diabetes,ra,and thyroid issue aND BI polar.

Thar was the best !it's based on income.if you are that indegent you get medicaid and ssdi .these are already keeping you off the exchanges!
 
StoveBolts said:
If I showed you that you were mistaken would you humble yourself? Or would you deny it and continue to rail?
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What do you want me to do?......bow down and say 'O mighty stovebolts, you are supremely intelligent and I am just a worm?' If I am wrong, show me....I'm a big boy, I can take it.......
 
Insurance, not even tricare allows medicare coverage and tricare.you can pay fir medicare and use one or the other as secondary but again that's a lot of money.281 a month plus say 400 ar least..I dint see any savings by doing that.I could chose the higher tier insurance and still see savings!
 
StoveBolts said:
With attitudes like that, it's no wonder healthcare will never get better. Have you all lost your ability to dream of a better world? Have you lost your compassion for your neighbor?

We are the greatest nation on earth and we can do anything g we put our minds to. Unfortunately, we are also our biggest stumbling blocks.

There is not one issue raised that cannot be resolved. But there needs to be a shift in thinking that is open to resolution instead of obstruction and apathy.
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You did not try to be a good man and quote the person you were chastising but it is directly under mine ad if it is to me, shame on you for not using the eyes and the analytical mind gave you. People on Social Security are either starving or they die from the lack of medication.
My daughter, 50, lives with us because she get an entire... wait for it... 600 and a small figure a month. A person cannot live under a bridge and get raped, robbed and murdered 600 a month SSD.

The lying Democrats destroyed the SS fund years ago and yeah, I sure that you, like me paid into it but the payments a coming from the General Fund today. My statement is not from the deluded man but rather from a man the truly knows to count on one person in all of this, Jesus, our LORD.
 
StoveBolts said:
Do you enjoy police protection?
What about your fire department?
Did you go to public school? Or do you have kids that do or did attend public school?

Or, would you rather we privatize these and only those who pay into those services are allowed to reap their benefits?

As far as becoming a Democrat, in ways they sound more like the Republican party I once belonged to.


I consider myself an independent now. I am free from any political party.
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The greatest and outside of the U.S. is freedom. Have never studied why Christian men and women left the safety and security of position to establish this nation? Some of us, Conservatives, do not wait for the ever creeping Nanny State to see us and heal our wounds. Before the idiot, Obama, broke it we had the best health care system in the world. People from all nations came here if they could for any major operations or illness'. I have, forever, found improving the best is, infinitely better than dismantling it.
 
StoveBolts said:
Do you enjoy police protection?
What about your fire department?
Did you go to public school? Or do you have kids that do or did attend public school?

Or, would you rather we privatize these and only those who pay into those services are allowed to reap their benefits?

As far as becoming a Democrat, in ways they sound more like the Republican party I once belonged to.

I consider myself an independent now. I am free from any political party.
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So what is it, now you tell me because Christ teaches me that if I love Him, I will obey His commands.
John 14:15-31King James Version (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise,

And to magnify the problem, the system is filled with Alcholics, Beach and other Bums that will not work and people zoned out on everything from Grass to Horse and the poor dumb young f this decrepit and swirling abortion try to tell that we are getting better. after seventy-two years, I promise you, all the horrible things of the End time Prophecies and on you porch or in the hallway, beating the door down.

And who you are going to trust is a life and death issue, eteranlly
 
StoveBolts said:
RUBIO cut funding to the corridor on its first installment "saving the tax payer billions of dollars. I want to say 5 billion? My memory is fading. That funding was cut on its first installment which caused many insurance companies to go under.
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That's a quaint spin on what Rubio's bill actually did.
What Rubio did was introduce a bill that stopped the Obamacare provision to confiscate profits from profitable insurance companies and give them to unprofitable insurance companies.
He introduced a bill that would stop that communist, Mick-Mouse economic stupidity which was designed solely to postpone the collapse and need to bail out Obamacare until after Obummer had (thankfully) left office.,
If someone is a big fan of communist, Micky-Mouse economics then he might be offended that Rubio, in a fit of good sense, attempted to derail that train wreck before the American tax payers had to bail out yet another government created financial crisis.
 
Jim Parker said:
That's a quaint spin on what Rubio's bill actually did.
What Rubio did was introduce a bill that stopped the Obamacare provision to confiscate profits from profitable insurance companies and give them to unprofitable insurance companies.
He introduced a bill that would stop that communist, Mick-Mouse economic stupidity which was designed solely to postpone the collapse and need to bail out Obamacare until after Obummer had (thankfully) left office.,
If someone is a big fan of communist, Micky-Mouse economics then he might be offended that Rubio, in a fit of good sense, attempted to derail that train wreck before the American tax payers had to bail out yet another government created financial crisis.
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Rubio is from my state, we had a property insurance crisis and it out the state on the line .if a massive storm ,or storms were to hit the stare couldn't pay the insured.it would have to declare bankruptcy. My stateam cant borrow as it must balence the budget.
 
jasonc said:
Hardly,Jeff, you see my.posts on a 300000 dollar memorial? Do you go and partake in veterans out reach ,do you work with a 26 member organization with sub organizations to reach vets and working in unison.im.a part of that and none of that is federal funded.my retirement ceremony was driven by them.not a dime of taxes was spent.

We do work with the va,so please we do try to fix problems here.we prefer to get the community involved.imagine that.not let's go hit up the tanf office for assistance,we use a private food bank to educate the vet if they need it.
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We're talking about healthcare....
 
th1b.taylor said:
You did not try to be a good man and quote the person you were chastising but it is directly under mine ad if it is to me, shame on you for not using the eyes and the analytical mind gave you. People on Social Security are either starving or they die from the lack of medication.
My daughter, 50, lives with us because she get an entire... wait for it... 600 and a small figure a month. A person cannot live under a bridge and get raped, robbed and murdered 600 a month SSD.

The lying Democrats destroyed the SS fund years ago and yeah, I sure that you, like me paid into it but the payments a coming from the General Fund today. My statement is not from the deluded man but rather from a man the truly knows to count on one person in all of this, Jesus, our LORD.
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Yeah, I know people living on 600 a month as well and bare bones Medicaid. It sucks.
But these are government social programs and without them, how would these people live?
 
Jim Parker said:
That's a quaint spin on what Rubio's bill actually did.
What Rubio did was introduce a bill that stopped the Obamacare provision to confiscate profits from profitable insurance companies and give them to unprofitable insurance companies.
He introduced a bill that would stop that communist, Mick-Mouse economic stupidity which was designed solely to postpone the collapse and need to bail out Obamacare until after Obummer had (thankfully) left office.,
If someone is a big fan of communist, Micky-Mouse economics then he might be offended that Rubio, in a fit of good sense, attempted to derail that train wreck before the American tax payers had to bail out yet another government created financial crisis.
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.thef...Obamacare-Limiting-Bailout-Funds-Insurers?amp
 
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Jim Parker said:
Baloney.
They have done absolutely NOTHING to change ObamaCare.

They have already risen outrageously BECAUES of the Pelosi/Reid?Obama "Affordable" Care Act which was a government takeover of the health care system that was working so well that people came to the USA from all over the world for healthcare.

The ACA was designed to stifle business, investment, and help to destroy the American economy IAW Cloward and Pivin's model of how to destroy a capitalist economy.

It is total garbage legislation that takes everyone's freedom of choice from them.
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He must watch only the hard left portals of disinformation, a.k.a. The Democratic Propaganda machine because FNC and several Conservative news outlets reported on the Professor that constructed ObummerCare and who wrote the legislation, isn't that illegal, I didn't ever see his name on a ballot, but any way, he wrote the bill and admitted it was never intended to be more than a failed step into Single Payer.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Have actually read the twenty thousand pages to confirm this government site is not lying? Everything else Obama did was a lie.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. I certainly don't. I don't want to reduce our conversation to a bitch fest based on how we feel since we obviously feel very differently about this topic. And who can argue against ones feelings when everything is perceived as a Lie?
 
StoveBolts said:
We're talking about healthcare....
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Ugh,we have a local agency here who aren't affiliated with the government. Tcch,it will use our local indigent tax district if it's asked but usualy because of donations it doesn't have to often.
Next we have types of care net, the Christian based buggy bunch who also assists with maternity needs and focuses on mothering .
 
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