Obamacare repeal fails in U.S. Senate, 49-51

[jasonc]

Here ya go. There are many more. I just picked this one cause I liked the name of the site. It agrees with what Rubio posted on his campaign website as well as the new York Times and other main stream media outlets.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/17/Congress-Weakens-Obamacare-Limiting-Bailout-Funds-Insurers?amp

https://marcorubio.com/2016/07/08/marcos-senate-record/

Here, he calls it a bailout. There was another one that was worth about 5 billion. I can find it if I loom harder.

Anyway, the billions he saved the taxpayer were the billions owed to the insurance company. Do you really think that didn't effect your premiums and deductibles. Don't you think that had something to do with the ACA failing?

How is it many cannot connect the higher premiums with the Republican congressional actions that caused said raised in premiums and deductibles.

If you are on the exchanges, I wasn't and I'm not.tricare wasnt affected from this part.as far as the civilian job health care .I'm not so sure.

 

[Deborah13]

Not in my state.unless we won the lawsuit.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...ministration-over-health-care-funding/2225790

That lawsuit was back in 2015 and never happened, Scott dropped it.
But this year...
http://news.wfsu.org/post/budget-break-florida-get-15-billion-lip-healthcare-funds

 

[stovebolts]

Yea you do, budget are spending bills.

Congress can pass a bill, but you need funding to support it. Congress can suppress the same bill by not fully funding it. Often, when we talk about laws on immigration, its not the law that needs fixed. To enforse a law, sometimes you need the funding gor the resources etc to enforse the laws.
I'm surprised you didn't know that

 

[jasonc]

Congress can pass a bill, but you need funding to support it. Congress can suppress the same bill by not fully funding it. Often, when we talk about laws on immigration, its not the law that needs fixed. To enforse a law, sometimes you need the funding gor the resources etc to enforse the laws.
I'm surprised you didn't know that

Refuse to fund and the left went along, the house sets funding and the Senate approves spending as well.

My point here is both parties did this.

The congress doesn't seem to have a republican override a veto majority

 

[jasonc]

That lawsuit was back in 2015 and never happened, Scott dropped it.
But this year...
http://news.wfsu.org/post/budget-break-florida-get-15-billion-lip-healthcare-funds

Under Trump go figure, it's not been in the news .go figure.

 

[jasonc]

Here ya go. There are many more. I just picked this one cause I liked the name of the site. It agrees with what Rubio posted on his campaign website as well as the new York Times and other main stream media outlets.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/17/Congress-Weakens-Obamacare-Limiting-Bailout-Funds-Insurers?amp

https://marcorubio.com/2016/07/08/marcos-senate-record/

Here, he calls it a bailout. There was another one that was worth about 5 billion. I can find it if I loom harder.

Anyway, the billions he saved the taxpayer were the billions owed to the insurance company. Do you really think that didn't effect your premiums and deductibles. Don't you think that had something to do with the ACA failing?

How is it many cannot connect the higher premiums with the Republican congressional actions that caused said raised in premiums and deductibles.

Medicare part d ,that used the similiar risk corridor and we know that kept drug costs down.the article didn't say it was passed.

 

[stovebolts]

Medicare part d ,that used the similiar risk corridor and we know that kept drug costs down.the article didn't say it was passed.

Oh come on... It's even on Rubios current site... geesh.

 

[jasonc]

Oh come on... It's even on Rubios current site... geesh.

I wanted to see the amount of votes.

Are you aware ,Rubio is, of the 4 storms of 04 and the citizens insurance fiasco? Every type of insurance to include health insurance, car and life insurance got a fee to fund the property insurance of those uninsurabe as property insurance fled.finnaly my state dropped most of it as it couldn't contain costs and fund coverage.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Congress holds the purse strings.... You don't need the Presidents signature for everything

For that you most certainly would. Congrss cannot make or withold appropriations by their own authority that have been authorized by law.......

 

[civilwarbuff]

Here ya go. There are many more. I just picked this one cause I liked the name of the site. It agrees with what Rubio posted on his campaign website as well as the new York Times and other main stream media outlets.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/17/Congress-Weakens-Obamacare-Limiting-Bailout-Funds-Insurers?amp

https://marcorubio.com/2016/07/08/marcos-senate-record/

Here, he calls it a bailout. There was another one that was worth about 5 billion. I can find it if I loom harder.

Anyway, the billions he saved the taxpayer were the billions owed to the insurance company. Do you really think that didn't effect your premiums and deductibles. Don't you think that had something to do with the ACA failing?

How is it many cannot connect the higher premiums with the Republican congressional actions that caused said raised in premiums and deductibles.

he $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill headed for approval in the House on Friday contains yet another GOP blow to the Affordable Care Act. This one blocks administration efforts to bolster a special fund created under the law to compensate insurance companies for excessive losses due to a disproportionate share of very sick or elderly enrollees.
Obama signed the bill; he must have been ok with it......

 

[Deborah13]

Under Trump go figure, it's not been in the news .go figure.

They got 1.6 billion over 2015 and 2016.
So the 18 states, I think, that are getting this special funding for low income uninsured poor, it's medicaid, partially paid by taxpayers in states that did expand medicaid under the ACA.

So we are all paying taxes to cover the uninsured poor.
I really don't understand how this is better than pooling the taxes from all states for one, well organized, and well administered national healthcare system. It will cost less per person than we are paying now. Then still have private insurers for those the want to pay for extra policies, rather like medicare and then having an extra policy to pay what medicare does not.

The reason none of the states do it on their own is because it takes a large pool to make it work. It takes a lot of money to get it going and put together the original pool money. I know because I voted against it in Colorado, where a few people wanted to try it on our own.

 

[jasonc]

They got 1.6 billion over 2015 and 2016.
So the 18 states, I think, that are getting this special funding for low income uninsured poor, it's medicaid, partially paid by taxpayers in states that did expand medicaid under the ACA.

So we are all paying taxes to cover the uninsured poor.
I really don't understand how this is better than pooling the taxes from all states for one, well organized, and well administered national healthcare system. It will cost less per person than we are paying now. Then still have private insurers for those the want to pay for extra policies, rather like medicare and then having an extra policy to pay what medicare does not.

The reason none of the states do it on their own is because it takes a large pool to make it work. It takes a lot of money to get it going and put together the original pool money. I know because I voted against it in Colorado, where a few people wanted to try it on our own.

Medicare is broke
Well run pool.ha
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nati...ts-crisis-ignored-all-presidential-candidates

I can post budget games played by my job.faa rules that the city rent property to itself on the airport at market value, since all money eventually made is put into a general fund ,it's a shell game. Yes the airport has a budget,but it pays water and electricity aND garbage .so in essence it's paying itself

 

[th1b.taylor]

Here ya go. There are many more. I just picked this one cause I liked the name of the site. It agrees with what Rubio posted on his campaign website as well as the new York Times and other main stream media outlets.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/17/Congress-Weakens-Obamacare-Limiting-Bailout-Funds-Insurers?amp

https://marcorubio.com/2016/07/08/marcos-senate-record/

Here, he calls it a bailout. There was another one that was worth about 5 billion. I can find it if I loom harder.

Anyway, the billions he saved the taxpayer were the billions owed to the insurance company. Do you really think that didn't effect your premiums and deductibles. Don't you think that had something to do with the ACA failing?

How is it many cannot connect the higher premiums with the Republican congressional actions that caused said raised in premiums and deductibles.

You don't suppose it is because Obama, flat out lied, you know, you can keep your doctor or maybe it was you can keep your insurance plan, NO! I know, it must have been the Professor admitting it was designed to fail because we, the people, are so stupid, yeah, that must be it, all of us common people are idiots!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Medicare is broke
Well run pool.ha
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nati...ts-crisis-ignored-all-presidential-candidates

I can post budget games played by my job.faa rules that the city rent property to itself on the airport at market value, since all money eventually made is put into a general fund ,it's a shell game. Yes the airport has a budget,but it pays water and electricity aND garbage .so in essence it's paying itself

The Shell Game is played by Harris County as well as Montgomery county here in Texas to make things look good.

 

[stovebolts]

You don't suppose it is because Obama, flat out lied, you know, you can keep your doctor or maybe it was you can keep your insurance plan, NO! I know, it must have been the Professor admitting it was designed to fail because we, the people, are so stupid, yeah, that must be it, all of us common people are idiots!

I suppose it could be anything you want to believe.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I suppose it could be anything you want to believe.

That brings us to the issue, and that is where do you get your news from. First, I do my best not to violate the scriptures and to dwell on Good things, even though that means I also must pay attention to networks like
CBs, NBC, ABC, and CNN, the Clinton News Networks. But then for Balance I look at the only Reasonably Balanced American Network, FNC, and the British and Jerusalem newspapers. I do not trust any of the Hard Left Rags to tell the truth and the number of real issues that General Media does not cover is astounding because they lay themselves bare with the advent of the Web.

 

[stovebolts]

That brings us to the issue, and that is where do you get your news from. First, I do my best not to violate the scriptures and to dwell on Good things, even though that means I also must pay attention to networks like
CBs, NBC, ABC, and CNN, the Clinton News Networks. But then for Balance I look at the only Reasonably Balanced American Network, FNC, and the British and Jerusalem newspapers. I do not trust any of the Hard Left Rags to tell the truth and the number of real issues that General Media does not cover is astounding because they lay themselves bare with the advent of the Web.

Yup, from a 50 thousand foot view, that's exactly what I meant.

What is obvious, is you and I are getting our information from other areas and we look at the issue from different perspectives. Unfortunately, with the exception of this post, this is the first common ground you and I have shared on the issue.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts if President Trump stops payment and premiums and deductibles go up again? Do you feel the means are worth the ends? And what does the end look like once the ACA is repealed?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yup, from a 50 thousand foot view, that's exactly what I meant.

What is obvious, is you and I are getting our information from other areas and we look at the issue from different perspectives. Unfortunately, with the exception of this post, this is the first common ground you and I have shared on the issue.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts if President Trump stops payment and premiums and deductibles go up again? Do you feel the means are worth the ends? And what does the end look like once the ACA is repealed?

We elected him to kill ObamaCare, how he does it matters not, it is imploding anyway and if he withdraws those bailouts the United States cannot afford at $20l,000,000,000 to bail anyone out of anything anymore. Tell me, if you made $40,000 a year and you were $40,000,000 in debt, do you believe the Bank would loan you another five hundred thousand when all you were paying was the interest and nothing to pennies on the note?

That is were the nation is. owed in 1970 eveThis is pure stupidry man woman and child owed the world banks $91,000. In 2013 they each owed 91,000 and the rate it is climbing, and that if china and the other powers that run the World Bank, those same men, women and children, with an increasing population will, each of them, owe $143,000 each. this is pure stupidity and any attempt to instate Federal Health Care is on Health Care is shear lunacy, the free market on all of it nes to be turned loose and stop the raised taxes, it is wrong.

 

[stovebolts]

We elected him to kill ObamaCare, how he does it matters not, it is imploding anyway and if he withdraws those bailouts the United States cannot afford at $20l,000,000,000 to bail anyone out of anything anymore. Tell me, if you made $40,000 a year and you were $40,000,000 in debt, do you believe the Bank would loan you another five hundred thousand when all you were paying was the interest and nothing to pennies on the note?

That is were the nation is. owed in 1970 eveThis is pure stupidry man woman and child owed the world banks $91,000. In 2013 they each owed 91,000 and the rate it is climbing, and that if china and the other powers that run the World Bank, those same men, women and children, with an increasing population will, each of them, owe $143,000 each. this is pure stupidity and any attempt to instate Federal Health Care is on Health Care is shear lunacy, the free market on all of it nes to be turned loose and stop the raised taxes, it is wrong.

I see.

It's ironic in a way.
I read a story in the bible where a man was robbed, beat up and left for dead on the side of the road.
A leader of a religious group saw the man, and moved to the other side of the road and kept walking because he read in his religion that if he touched a dead man, he couldn't perform is religious duties.

Another religious fellow saw the man, and did the same as his religious leader.

Lastly, a vagabond and low life scumsucker saw the man and bound up his wounds. He then took the man and paid for a warm, safe place where he would be taken care of and covered all the injured man's Wounds.

It's odd the the scumsucker didn't Iknow anything about the man left for dead or faulted him for walking alone or any other reasons why he brought this robbing and beating upon himself. Instead, he saw a need and helped.

It's amazing to me how our national GDP is more important than our environment or our citizens. We don't seem to have an issue spending trillions on wars that could have been avoided, and we don't mind raising the national debt ceiling to pay for them.

But in the same notion, social security is borrowed from and left in debt and for those who to no fault of their own, their own bodies have robbed them of their health and have beat themselves up for dead. And as a nation, we just cross to the other side of the road and keep walking.

Yeah, we certainly look at this issue differently and the vision I have for our great country is a bit different than yours. But then again,I don't recall hearing your vision.

 

[jasonc]

I see.

It's ironic in a way.
I read a story in the bible where a man was robbed, beat up and left for dead on the side of the road.
A leader of a religious group saw the man, and moved to the other side of the road and kept walking because he read in his religion that if he touched a dead man, he couldn't perform is religious duties.

Another religious fellow saw the man, and did the same as his religious leader.

Lastly, a vagabond and low life scumsucker saw the man and bound up his wounds. He then took the man and paid for a warm, safe place where he would be taken care of and covered all the injured man's Wounds.

It's odd the the scumsucker didn't I quite anything about the I hired man, or faulted him for walking alone or any other reasons why he brought his robbing and beating upon himself. Instead, he saw a need and helped.

It's amazing to me how our national GDP is more important than our environment or our citizens. We don't seem to have an issue spending trillions on wars that could have been avoided, and we don't mind raising the national debt ceiling to pay for them.

But in the same notion, social security is borrowed from and left in debt and for those who to no fault of their own, their own bodies have robbed them of their health and have beat themselves up for dead. And as a nation, we just cross to the other side of the road and keep walking.

Yeah, we certainly look at this issue differently and the vision I have for our great country is a bit different than yours. But then again,I don't recall hearing your vision.

Visit my town ,please.plenty of charity here.it's not perfect but most of isn't even the government.



I don't think during the judgement Jesus is going to ask us how much did you help the poor by paying taxes.you dont iteMize offerings.

I dint call what the irs does to me ,aND my parents helpful.oh I see you jerry and Kathy have income ,and we're sorry we must tax you enough that you while ,you jerry,are on medicare,disabilty.but we can't give you those if we don't have the money from tax payers

If I don't play my cards right ,I like my parents on ss,ssI and retired ,mom works part time,will owe .my wife too is disabled,.

Odd form of compassion.