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It really is that simple
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14
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Growth Obedience
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For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14
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At issue is obedience and you have and you are declaring your, while leading others into, disobedience. Denver, you told me that you do not check the spirit against the recorded Word, you, at best, are prideful and at worst.deceived.
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I think obedience is paired with understanding in either a striking sparing match, or simular to a man courting a woman. With obedience we have faith, trust, and belief. And we are rewarded with such a strong stance. At least I hear stories of people's faith and obedience being rewarded as being right or stable, or even granted blessings and understanding because of the obadiance. With understanding to our fellow men and women, we see ourselves and them in a kinder light, or in a needed critical light. Mercy, humbleness, and the realization of our own sins (as well as successfully helping others with with their sins) come from understanding. As well as a better bibical understanding helps us in our faith and in our lives.
Yet it seems these two roles seem to conflict often enough enough. Where we don't understand or we hold wrong perspectives in our understanding to confuse us. Or where when being obediant in one aspect we are blind to being disobedient in another aspect because we don't know. (Or don't know who to hold both in certian situtions.
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Read 1 Jn 4:1-3 !! Does it tell you to test the sprits "against the known truth, the scriptures"? NO IT DOESN'T SAY THAT!!!!! You just used a verse incorrectly! Let's take a look at the verse.
1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and ever spirit that does not confess Jesus in not from God
Nowhere in the above verse does it tell us to test, "against the known truth, the scriptures"!! It tells us to test the spirits to see whether they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh!!!
So when we hear a spirit talking to us, we need to have that spirit confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, according to the Scripture!!!
What often happens is that people consider what they heard and see if they think it matches up with the bible! Ironically, the person doing that is not matching up with the very Scriptures they are putting their faith in!!
They are searching the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life instead of applying the Scriptures which has us looking for Jesus Christ. This is an excellent example of what I have been talking about.
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You are free to get mad and you are free to scream at me like any 3 year old if you wish to appear ignorant if you wish, but I used that scripture correctly. If you do not see that you really do need pràyer from the Prayer Warriors here. And you need to move closer to the God that created everything.
Written communication is not like verbal communication. If I put something in capital letters, is it because I am mad or is it because I am having trouble getting a point across to someone?
Some Christians, in fact many Christians simply will not accept seeking to hear from Jesus Christ, the One they call Lord. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO SEEK HIS VOICE, IS HE YOUR LORD?
So am I mad at them who don't even try to seek His voice. No, I'm not mad at them, but this is an extremely important point and if they are being rebellious.
Is 30:9 For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen to the Instruction of the Lord.
It is written that they would pretend obedience, and also the Jesus Christ stands at the door and knocks, and if anyone hears His voice He will come is. (Ps 81:15, Rev 3:20)
Ps 81:15 “Those who hate the LORD would pretend obedience to Him, And their time of punishment would be forever.
So if there punishment is forever, do you not think it is important to make sure they are seeking the Lord???
To be obedient to our Lord who is always knocking at our door with His voice, we simply need to open that door and start listening to what He has to personally say to us. But opening up the Bible is not the same thing. He might tell you to open up the Bible, and He will at times, but He might not always do that. He made the heavens and the earth, and they all testify about Him, So He could talk to use anything, or have you go anywhere.
My friend, I have been trying to get across to people that they need to seek the voice of the Lord. But I find Christians that don't seek the Lord, but they seek the Bible. They search the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life, but they don't see that in themselves. They question whether I hear from the Lord, because they don't. So I give them testimonies, and words the I heard from Him, hoping they will start turning to the Lord. They tell me they believe in hearing from the Lord, but if I ask for testimonies, or words, or who they know Him they don't answer those questions. They put those questions to me, which is fine, but have no answer to their own question and concerns about me. It become obvious they don't know Him. They will quote scriptures, because they have been seeking the Bible, but they have the interpretation clearly wrong, and that because with their ears they don't hear.
Mat 13:14 In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says "YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCIEVE; FOR THE HEARTS OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES..."
Now I didn't capitalize the above verse, it was capitalize in my Bible and I copied it. So am I mad? Was Jesus who said those words mad?
There is a problem with the people with whom those words apply! Perhaps God has a right to be mad at them. It is a bit frustrating to me to have to go over and over this. The Lord asked me to post again this morning. He told me to do it. I heard Him. I don't know that I have every word in this post correct, I'm sure I don't. But I am doing it because Jesus Christ the Lord and My personal Lord told me to. He talks to me, and sadly He points out the Christians are a people that are grafted into the Jewish root and then to act the same way as those that Isaiah wrote to.
th1b.taylor, I am not mad at you. Perhaps a bit frustrated. My friend, you are not listening to the Lord like you need to. You could not have misinterpreted the verse like you did if you were listening like you should. You could not have suggested that you might sit under me if you were sitting at the feet of Jesus and listening to Him, like Mary was doing. You could not have written that you have been under Great Teachers and Preacher, because you would be listening to the One Teacher who is the Great I Am. But you are not alone in that regard. My message is not to you, but to all of the Christian who read their Bible but do not seek the Lord like they should. I love God and those Christians and so I want to help them know the Lord like they should. So I reason and reprove them, hoping they will start hearing so they will understand, and start seeing so their hearts will not be dull. So perhaps I need to give them one of the parables the Lord gave me. But I'm not sure that will help either?
There was this ant that was carrying this heavy load and he knew that he had to carrying it all the way up that large ant hill to get home. At the same time there was a little boy looking down on a little ant hill. For fun the little boy decided to jump right on the ant hill. My question to you is; "What's your perspective of heaven?"
My friend. If you don't become like that little child and come to the understanding that you can jump right into the heavenly kingdom you will never get there with that heavy load.
Mat 13: 10-13 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables? Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not bee granted. For whoever has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance, but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him."
So my friends. If you listen to the Lord and what He has to say to you, more shall be given to you and you will have an abundance. But is you don't listen, even the written words you do have will be taken away from you. "And their time of punishment would be forever."
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It is fact that all càps, when testing is to be considered shouting, not my rule, just truth! Your demeanor reeks of Sàtan and sinful pride,
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You are disobedient, loud and rude!
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Bill is right about using caps for any length of time being interpreted as shouting. This is almost universally understood to be the case. About 20 years ago I ignorantly used all caps in a sentence at work. I was almost disciplined. Only my admitted ignorance saved me.
Rm 8: 36 Just as it is written, "FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEGIN PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTED.
That is how the verse appears in the NASB. Do you think they were yelling, or trying to make a point?
Rm 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED".
The above is just a quote exactly as it appears. But is it your "admitted ignorance" that save you or is it the Lord?
2 Cor 2:4-6 Such a confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves servants in ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Now there are some that are depending on the letters written in the Bible instead listening to the words personal spoken to them by the Spirit of God. I do not hate these people, nor am I mad at these people, but there is a point to be made! So that I will do. That I have been asked to do by the Spirit who talks to me. And those who wrote the Bible were all making the same point and often to those same type of people. Jesus came down making that same point! And instead of accepting the message He brought they accessed Him and killed Him. And they don't act differently today.
The above is an accusation. And it is made directly at me.
The above is a question. It is in regard to "Some Christians, in fact many Christians" I am not mad at them, but I am certainly trying to get across a point that we need to seek His voice.
Rm 11:8 just as it is written, "GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOER, EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT, DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY".
Again, that is how it appears in my Bible. I don't believe Paul was mad, loud, and was " disobedient, loud and rude", but I do believe He was trying to get across a point about seeking the Lord and not the letter.
Gal 3:2,3 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish?...
"Foolish"? Those are pretty direct words and the Galatians, which was an early Christian church, might have thought Paul to be rude and loud, but Paul was not disobedient, nor did Paul dislike them. He was trying to help them by making a point. And it was the same point Jesus made, Isaiah made, and the I am trying to make. We need to know the Lord, and that means listening to Him. We are obedient when we turn to Him, listen to His voice, and do what He says. But there are some who are making it about sitting under "Great Teachers and Preachers" instead of seeking the voice of the Teacher.
Heb. 3:7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE.
and again. Heb 3:15 "while it is said, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE..."
and again, Heb 4:7 TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.
There is a problem and so we need to make a point of making that problem clear to people. Note: not one of the capitalized letters in this post is mine, but I only quoted them. And did you not notice there is a trend to those verses with capitalized letters? We need to listen to the Lord!
Yesterday suddenly the Lord started talking to me and He made it sound important. He was telling me, "KARL, THERE IS SOMETHING I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, AND IT IS CRITICAL!" Now I put that in caps, because that is how it came across to me. It came across suddenly, It came across urgently. There was an important point He want to get across to me! At first I thought it was about the end of the world, it seem so important. As I continued to listen, it turned out that He was talking to me about how there were many today that are not going to heaven, but rather hell. It was about the end of the world, but for individual people who had not come to know Him when there physical end came.
This issue of seeking the voice of the Lord and listening to the instructions that He has for us personally it "CRITICAL". It is not a question of being loud or rude, but it is certainly a question of being disobedient or not. If you are obedient to God you are going to be telling people to listen to His Son, whom we can hear from TODAY, because He said He would never leave us. And I am not apologizing for using capital letters to make a point, because the situation is critical.
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For as long as you are disobedient I pray none pay you any attention. You have been informed and it has been confirmed and you are freely choosing to follow the disobedient one.
How people accuse.
My message has been an effort to get people to listen to Jesus Christ via the Spirit of Christ. Surely some will "pray none pay (me) any attention." And that would be just fine with me except for two reasons. Frist, the Lord keeps telling me to tell them to listen to Him. Second, is because if they are unwilling to listen to me tell them to listen to the Lord, it is because they are not willing to listen to the Lord.
Anyway, He asked me to post the following verses.
Ps 78:34- 37 When He killed them, then they sought after Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; And they remembered that God was their rock. But they deceived Him with their mouth and lied to Him with their tongue. For their heart was not steadfast toward Him.
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I have been listening to Jesus since November 3, 1966 and one thing I know for certain, The Spirit that lives in my heart will never, never ever disagree with what He has had recorded in His book. And you have told us not to do as God instructs in His Word but rather to open our minds and to listen, without verifying, the messages we receive, The Holy Scriptures warn us to guard our minds and verify every word we hear with the Written Word because of Mal. 3:6. (Acts 17:11, Duet 29:29)
If God says anything, we should listen. If God says it more than once, If He says a thing more than once, God is highlighting it as, very, important.
Mal 3:6 For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed
Taylor, you used the above verse to support the when we hear something, it must be verified with the Written Word. It's true that God does not change so studying the Bible is important, but it what God using the above verse to get people to turn to the Written Word?
Mal 3:7 "From the days of your father you have turned aside from My statues and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you.", say the Lord of hosts....
God was not telling them to return to the Written Word, He was telling them to return to Him!! The Law didn't save anyone, The Lord does that. We must turn to the Lord and listen to Him. Thus the verse you quoted to mean turn to the Scriptures means turn to the Lord. You again have confused turning to the voice of the Lord with turning and depending upon the Bible!!
You misquoted a verse again! And for the same reason. You are trying to live by the letter instead of living through a relationships with the Lord your God!!!
When talking to My Lord this morning He told me to come and post. He was telling me this morning to post the following Scripture.
2 Chr 31:21 Every work which he began in the service of the house of God in law and in commandment, seeking his God, he did with all his heart and prospered.
The verse refers to king Hezekiah, and how "he did what was good" (see prior verse). I highlighted the "seeking his God" part because you are doing it by "seeking your Bible". It's not that we don't need to know what is written in the Bible, but we are seeking and perusing after God. And we do that by hearing Him with faith. And when we test the spirits we don't test them against our Bible we test them according to the Bible. We make sure they are telling us Jesus Christ came in the flesh (1 Jn 4:1-3 the verse you previously misquoted), or perhaps by having them confess Jesus Christ is Lord (1 Cor 12:3). And because of our practicing hearing (Heb 5:14) we learn how to discern good from evil.
What you are doing seems to be very common in Christianity, and even before. Jesus told the Jews they searched the Scriptures instead of turning to Him. (Jn 5:39). Paul told us that he took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ, not to the Scriptures. Of course Paul also wrote that all Scriptures are good for study, reproof, and training. I do that I study them, and I study them with the Lord. We talk. I used them to reprove people, but that like this morning, because He sends me to do that. He wants His people seeking Him!! Just like Hezekiah did!!
My friend. And despite are somewhat volatile discussion, I do like to think we can be friends, or at least friendly at some point. I come across Christians regularly who are making the Scriptures extremely important in their life, but they hardly hear from the Lord. Many have at times heard from Him, but so did the Galatians. But like the Galatians they turn back to trying to follow the letter instead of the voice. So it is that they hear from Him there Lord and quickly turn back to the Scriptures instead of Him when they run into a problem.
Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is not really another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
My friend, the good news is that we have Christ!!! He is called the Word of God! That is His name! (Rev 19:13, Jn 1:1, Gen 15:1) He is called that because He talks to us. We hear from Him. So are you talking thoughts captive to Him or are you searching the Scriptures instead of turning to Him by hearing with faith, when you write " God instructs in His Word"?
God instructs us with HIs voice! The Scriptures tell us that! And God is faithful!! All those that seek find! If you ask Him for bread are you going to get a stone? Jesus is the bread of life, and He is the Word of God that John told about. The law came on stones. We need to have a little faith that our Lord is indeed with us like He said. We need to seek and turn to Him! That is what the Scriptures explain to us!
And as for me being loud. Maybe I am, at least when it come to trying to get people to seek Him. But it is written what you hear whispered in your ear, shout on the house tops. I get zealous for Him who talks to me, so I might come across a bit loud about telling people that they can really hear from Him!!!! He matches up with the Scriptures, but people leaning on their own understanding don't always see it because they turn to their bible instead of Him. If they would turn to Him by faith they would clearly understand what those who wrote the Bible understood. They would know that He is Understanding and His Holy Spirit gives us Wisdom.
Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, "You are my sister", and call understanding your intimate friend.
I have a friend. His first words to me were "Read Your Bible". But we talk everyday and a number of times each day. He has had me opne and run a Christian Bookstore. (There is nothing in the "Written Word" about doing that, so that would not match up with my Bible). He has had me ministering on the streets, in hospitals, and in a healing ministry where I have seen Him heal hundreds of people. Maybe that matches up, but how do you know when to do what if not by hearing Him by faith. The Bible can't tell you that. He has had me working in a number of ways at Christian churches, and He even tells me which Christian church He wants me going to and when. The Bible can't tell you which one to go to and when. You'd have to lean on your own understanding of it, but not on the actual instructions is it.
How long are people going to keep leaning on their understanding and be bible thumpers, before they come to understanding we do actually have the Lord to talk to and get answers from? I can love the "Christians" that are zealous for God but not accordance to knowledge. I can understand how Paul felt. Romans 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Jesus Christ, as the Word of God, is the righteousness of God. We subject ourselves to His righteousness by seeking His voice and listening to what He has to say. Doing that has you matching up with the "Written Word" as some like to say. If you do that I don't know exactly what He is going to have you do. You have to listen to Him. But listening to Him by faith is what I am preaching!!!
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No, you are doing the same thing all Atheists do when they respond, you have taken what I said, completely, out of it's context. I use Mal. 3:6 to demonstrate, in this case, why we, humans, should check Spirit Messages against the Recorded Word of God. Please don't read anything without using the context it is contained within because when respond with the slanderous presumption you have made it will never be well received.
No - It is you that has taken it out of context. I showed you the context which was in the next verse and read "Return to Me"
Returning to the Lord and seeking His voice is not the same thing as opening up your bible. If is was Jesus could not have told the Jews they were searching the Scriptures! And that is exactly the problem and misunderstanding you are having.
It is not that the Scriptures shouldn't be studied, they do! But turning to the Scriptures is not the same thing as turning to the living God who can, will, and wants to talk to us!!!! That is why He is called "I AM." And that is why His name is called "The Word of God". And He is not the Scriptures. The Scriptures testify about Him, but they are not Him. He is a living and active being you is God and said He would never leave you. He said He stands at the door and if anyone (including you) would hear His voice He would come into them and eat with them.
Until you understand this you are not going to be seeking Him like you should. He really is with us. He really can answer our questions, just like a person standing next to you, only that God is spirit. But our belief is poor. We don't really believe that He can or will talk to us or indeed we would be seeking Him every time we had a question. Because we don't really believe that He is indeed with us, we search the Scriptures for that answers and lean on our understanding of them.
This showed up when you wrote about perhaps sitting at my feet. It showed up when you wrote that you listen to Great Preachers and Teachers. He might use a person to teach you something, but it is never about listening to a person; it is always about listening to Him. It also showed up when you thought the way we test a spirit according to we are hearing from was by comparing what they said to the Bible instead of seeing if they confessed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, or if they are confessing Jesus Christ is their Lord. It is hard to explain all this because you don't listen much. ( Heb 5:11 ... it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing)
And it showed up now as you are thinking the in Mal 3:6 that it meant go to the Scriptures instead of seek the Lord. You thought that because you think that reading the "Written Word" like you wrote is the same thing as hearing the Lords small spiritual voice.
And it shows up when you think that anyone that is claiming to hear the Lord regularly and claims to be turning to Him must have a devil. That is what the Pharisees thought of Jesus and for the same reason. They didn't hear with their spiritual ears.
Jn 8:43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My words.
But this problem was common and is common. I love the people that love reading the Scriptures. They are zealous for God. I can testify about that, but it is not in accordance with knowledge. (Rm 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge) They know the Scriptures, but they don't know the Lord like they should. So they are zealous for a God they don't really have a personal relationship with. How often to you hear the Lord tell you He loves you. At times I have heard Him tell me that at least a dozen times in a single day. He tells me jokes. He tells me little parables and stories and of course He gives me instructions and teachings everyday. Today He was teaching me about the importance of asking Him questions of. By asking Him questions and listening to His response you get to know His personality. So how many times have you actually heard Him talking to you today?
If you don't understanding about turning to the Lord and hearing from Him you are not going to understand me telling you to turn and listen to the Lord. You'll will assume that going back to the Law is the same as hearing Him talk to you, because you just can't understand that you can hear from Him and anytime and in any place. You just can't understand that He is indeed with us to be heard from, because you don't really believe that. If you did believe that you would indeed understand what I have been trying to tell you.
Check out Mal 2:1 "and this commandment is for you, O priests. If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name, "says the Lord of hosts," then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessing' and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart."
Note: that Malachi is writing about listening, not reading!! Of course the priest should know the Scriptures, but they have to listen to the Lord! They have to!! And we need to fear God, because He is Lord of lords, not the devil. We need to be aware the evil spirits are out their too, but is you fear of them keeping you from seeking Him and His voice? If you are more afraid of the devil than you are of God you are not going to seek God because you are always going to be too concerned that it might not be God. You will then go back to leaning on your understanding of the Lord instead of actually seeking the Lord. You need to return to Him and stop thinking it is about know great people, or even about knowing the Scriptures. It is about knowing the living and almighty living and active Word of God, who is Jesus Christ!! Get to know Him. RETURN TO HIM.
Jesus Christ is the corner stone that the builders rejected. They missed the Foundational piece the our Faith is supposed to be built on!
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He was in the beginning with God and was God and He took on flesh.
Jesus Christ, as fully God is Omni-present. He said He would never leave us. He said He stands at the door and knocks, and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them.
Jesus Christ is the King of kings, and thus has a kingdom. He told Pilot that His kingdom was not of this world. It is a heavenly (spiritual) kingdom. God is spirit.
The Word of the Lord spoke to Abram (Abraham) and Abram believed that it was God speaking to him and that belief was counted to Abram as righteousness.
That is the foundation of our faith in a nutshell!!
Yet John the Baptist, who was the one sent before the Lord to make the path straight, told some they were vipers. That wasn't nice. We would have reprove John for those words. We would have told him, the one sent before the Lord to make the path straight, to stick to the foundations of our faith.
Jesus said John was right to call them "Vipers". Vipers are a snake that has poison in it's mouth. The Pharisees did not speak in such a manner as to seem evil. There poison was not that. The poison in there mouth was their turning people away from God by turning them to Religion, teachings of men and traditions. The Pharisees did study the Scriptures and were all for that. But they did not tell people to turn to God.
If I point a person to a great treasure, surely that is being nice to them. If I point them away from hell, surely that is being nice to them. If I reprove a person and show them the way to righteousness, surely that is being nice to them. The verse (Rev 3:19) right before Jesus said He stands at the door and knocks with His voice, Jesus said He reproves those He loves. Reproof is foundational. But there might be a debate of that.
I have not called anyone rude, loud, or even a viper. But we need to turn to Jesus Christ as the Word of God and listen to Him. And God is a personal God, so we each personally need to do that. Yet God as some point told Isaiah to "tell this people: Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand. Render the hearts of this people insensitive,, Their ears dull, and their eyes dim, otherwise they might see with their eye, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and return and be healed." (Is 6:9,10) And Jesus at a point started speaking to the people in parables. When His disciples asked Him why, Jesus told them "because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear nor do they understand.
The Kingdom of God can be compared to a treasure, and there is a map the treasure but the map is not the treasure. Many people, even those who lack understanding, have the map. But those who lack understanding think the map is the treasure, and they will never find the true treasure for that reason.
So a parable I will show you, a parable from Him. But if you do not understand the parables already given to you how will you understand this, even if I have clearly explained it already.
There is a treasure, yes indeed, a treasure greatest of all. Yet mystery surrounds the treasure, it’s the strangest thing you’ll see, because if you see, you can not see, and to feel you will not feel. So behold it can not be held, this treasury I tell. You’ll not be able to sniff this treasure yet the fragrance is so sweet. It’s the sweetest of all the things as all will come to know.
The treasure is enormous, bigger than the entire world. Yet the treasure is so small that it can be hidden any where. It is so big that it can be easily found, it is plain for all to see, but it is so small that if you find you’ll not see it at all. Now you’ll see, that if you find it, you’ll have not found it at all, for you do not find the treasure, because it’s the treasure comes and finds you.
The treasure is so great, that if shared could make all the world rich. Yet the treasure is so strange that if given all away, you will not lost a single bit. Indeed mystery surrounds the treasure. For if the treasure you give away, the more of treasure you’ll have in every way.
Oh the riches, Oh the wealth, the possessors of it have. It’s greater than the greatest pearl. It’s finer than the gold of old. Rubies and diamonds can not compare to this treasure of which you are told. The possessors have not want nor care because it’s clear world is plainly theirs.
There is a map to this treasure, a map many pages long. Many people have the map, and to purchase is not usually hard. Indeed there have been groups and still are that spread the map near and far. Yet the map is no good without the key and the key is much more difficult to obtain. Money will not buy it, it is not upon a string. It’s the key that is hidden very well, very deep, deep, deep inside. Oh to those who have found the map and think they’ve found the key. Indeed there are many who have found the map thinking they are rich, but be warned, the map is not the key.
Now the key can easily be found to those who listen well. So listen well, it is the seeking that you seek, and the seeking is the key. For it is written in map, this very thing indeed; for all who seek will find, the treasure of which I tell.
Now with the key you’ll have to enter in the door that is very small. Do not enter in the larger door that is foolishness for all to see. So seek the smaller door, it is very strange indeed. For the door is made of rock and light, so is heavy but does not weight a thing. Though stranger yet you’ll see, the door is not made of what but whom. So by Him and only Him you’ll enter through to the treasure in the room.
Now a warning must be told, a warning true as true. All that go through the door will die, and this is as sure as sure. Yet dying will produce a life and a life that all should live. So do not approach the door, unless you’re willing to die. That is to say, do not go through unless willing to live a life far more valuable than the one you’re current in.
So strange, so strange indeed, that when you seek you find, and when you seek far and wide it is home you have never left. Home is what you found, and a home that has changed so drastically and all because the guest. So it is home you seek and home that is hidden all too well. Home of everything and home of all, and home that’s deep inside. It’s the home of Him, the home of all, and the home of everything. It is the home you seek, the home of all your past. It is home you seek and home you’ll find … the home of evermore.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He was in the beginning with God and was God and He took on flesh.
Jesus Christ, as fully God is Omni-present. He said He would never leave us. He said He stands at the door and knocks, and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them.
Jesus Christ is the King of kings, and thus has a kingdom. He told Pilot that His kingdom was not of this world. It is a heavenly (spiritual) kingdom. God is spirit.
The Word of the Lord spoke to Abram (Abraham) and Abram believed that it was God speaking to him and that belief was counted to Abram as righteousness.
That is the foundation of our faith in a nutshell!!
Yet John the Baptist, who was the one sent before the Lord to make the path straight, told some they were vipers. That wasn't nice. We would have reprove John for those words. We would have told him, the one sent before the Lord to make the path straight, to stick to the foundations of our faith.
Jesus said John was right to call them "Vipers". Vipers are a snake that has poison in it's mouth. The Pharisees did not speak in such a manner as to seem evil. There poison was not that. The poison in there mouth was their turning people away from God by turning them to Religion, teachings of men and traditions. The Pharisees did study the Scriptures and were all for that. But they did not tell people to turn to God.
If I point a person to a great treasure, surely that is being nice to them. If I point them away from hell, surely that is being nice to them. If I reprove a person and show them the way to righteousness, surely that is being nice to them. The verse (Rev 3:19) right before Jesus said He stands at the door and knocks with His voice, Jesus said He reproves those He loves. Reproof is foundational. But there might be a debate of that.
I have not called anyone rude, loud, or even a viper. But we need to turn to Jesus Christ as the Word of God and listen to Him. And God is a personal God, so we each personally need to do that. Yet God as some point told Isaiah to "tell this people: Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand. Render the hearts of this people insensitive,, Their ears dull, and their eyes dim, otherwise they might see with their eye, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and return and be healed." (Is 6:9,10) And Jesus at a point started speaking to the people in parables. When His disciples asked Him why, Jesus told them "because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear nor do they understand.
The Kingdom of God can be compared to a treasure, and there is a map the treasure but the map is not the treasure. Many people, even those who lack understanding, have the map. But those who lack understanding think the map is the treasure, and they will never find the true treasure for that reason.
So a parable I will show you, a parable from Him. But if you do not understand the parables already given to you how will you understand this, even if I have clearly explained it already.
There is a treasure, yes indeed, a treasure greatest of all. Yet mystery surrounds the treasure, it’s the strangest thing you’ll see, because if you see, you can not see, and to feel you will not feel. So behold it can not be held, this treasury I tell. You’ll not be able to sniff this treasure yet the fragrance is so sweet. It’s the sweetest of all the things as all will come to know.
The treasure is enormous, bigger than the entire world. Yet the treasure is so small that it can be hidden any where. It is so big that it can be easily found, it is plain for all to see, but it is so small that if you find you’ll not see it at all. Now you’ll see, that if you find it, you’ll have not found it at all, for you do not find the treasure, because it’s the treasure comes and finds you.
The treasure is so great, that if shared could make all the world rich. Yet the treasure is so strange that if given all away, you will not lost a single bit. Indeed mystery surrounds the treasure. For if the treasure you give away, the more of treasure you’ll have in every way.
Oh the riches, Oh the wealth, the possessors of it have. It’s greater than the greatest pearl. It’s finer than the gold of old. Rubies and diamonds can not compare to this treasure of which you are told. The possessors have not want nor care because it’s clear world is plainly theirs.
There is a map to this treasure, a map many pages long. Many people have the map, and to purchase is not usually hard. Indeed there have been groups and still are that spread the map near and far. Yet the map is no good without the key and the key is much more difficult to obtain. Money will not buy it, it is not upon a string. It’s the key that is hidden very well, very deep, deep, deep inside. Oh to those who have found the map and think they’ve found the key. Indeed there are many who have found the map thinking they are rich, but be warned, the map is not the key.
Now the key can easily be found to those who listen well. So listen well, it is the seeking that you seek, and the seeking is the key. For it is written in map, this very thing indeed; for all who seek will find, the treasure of which I tell.
Now with the key you’ll have to enter in the door that is very small. Do not enter in the larger door that is foolishness for all to see. So seek the smaller door, it is very strange indeed. For the door is made of rock and light, so is heavy but does not weight a thing. Though stranger yet you’ll see, the door is not made of what but whom. So by Him and only Him you’ll enter through to the treasure in the room.
Now a warning must be told, a warning true as true. All that go through the door will die, and this is as sure as sure. Yet dying will produce a life and a life that all should live. So do not approach the door, unless you’re willing to die. That is to say, do not go through unless willing to live a life far more valuable than the one you’re current in.
So strange, so strange indeed, that when you seek you find, and when you seek far and wide it is home you have never left. Home is what you found, and a home that has changed so drastically and all because the guest. So it is home you seek and home that is hidden all too well. Home of everything and home of all, and home that’s deep inside. It’s the home of Him, the home of all, and the home of everything. It is the home you seek, the home of all your past. It is home you seek and home you’ll find … the home of evermore.
iLOVE
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The role of obedience in a Christian life is Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work (The Law of the Spirit of Life In Christ Jesus - Romans 8:2). This gives the Holy Spirit the legal means (who only works in this parameter) to help us and transforms us into what we ought to be (Christlikeness - Romans 8:13). Faith in anything and everything else the works of the flesh will manifest (Gal. 5:19-21). You are now committing Spiritual Adultery.
It is difficult for Believers to place their Faith exclusively in the Cross of Christ because it goes against the flesh (Romans 8:7; Gal. 5:17).
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Kidron
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Obedience is the fruit of salvation that is manifested in many forms.
Obedience and discipleship, are really the same thing.
Obedience is what we do to please God, but not what we do to stay saved.
Salvation is what God does for us, and obedience is what we do because He already did.
Dont confuse or try to theologically substitute obedience with or for salvation, because when you do that, you are not giving full credit to the One who saved you and you are in fact trying to take the credit for yourself.
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