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Bible Study Obidiah vs. America

Man, this is where studying the whole of scripture is so profitable. The Church in the wilderness had nothing to do with the Christian Church of the first century. You cannot possibly illustrate that connection for us, can you?


I already quoted Acts 7:37-39 for you, and Deborah13 posted the scriptures from 1 Cor 10:1-4 that both illustrated that church, was in the wilderness.

The line from Acts 7:37-39 is actually quoted from the LAW.

Acts 7:37
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22:23
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

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Thank you, you've done what ez should have and now I can explain that the folks with Moses were the peoples of Judah and Israel. I say Judah also, only, because they later separated themselves. These are the Jews that have not seen Solomon build God a home.

edit: They have nothing to do with the Christ Followers because there was not a Christ born yet.

Can you please clarify what you mean by this statement. Who are these Jews (Judah) that later separated themselves and and have not seen Solomon's temple. What kind of significance are you putting on "seeing" Solomon's temple?

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This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never ment


Can you please expound on your statement. What do you meant the new covenant idea is just that? I have no idea what you are trying to say. The last statement about the Mosaic Law make no sense. never ment what?

Also, can you please answer yes or no, do you believe the Jesus has established the new covenant?

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The vine that became the nation of Israel after the covenant with Moses has been cast off and is ready to be burned. That seed has been sown again with men and beast to be grafted back into the true vine once again. The vine of the Church that was in the wilderness, before they turned their backs to follow Moses instead.


Acts 7:37-39
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers:who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt.


Romans 11:19-27
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


They are cut off because of unbelief, they are only grafted back in through Faith.


Jeremiah 31:27-30
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them,
to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down,
and to destroy, and to afflict;
so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.

In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.
But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
every man that eateth the sour grape,
his teeth shall be set on edge.


Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers

in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,

although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord: for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.


Micah 4:1-2
But in the last days it shall come to pass,
that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains,
and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
and to the house of the God of Jacob;
and he will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths:
for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
 
It was not you that went out of context, as I think I recall. It was our friend that uses scripture, only from memory. You didn't and you generally don't go out of context, that I notice.
 
Can you please expound on your statement. What do you meant the new covenant idea is just that? I have no idea what you are trying to say. The last statement about the Mosaic Law make no sense. never ment what?

Also, can you please answer yes or no, do you believe the Jesus has established the new covenant?

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This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never ment
This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never meant to save any man.

I know people from all over the world consider the Mosaic Law to be a Covenant but a Covenant is a Contract that must be fulfilled and there has never been a single man, save Jesus, that could fulfill the Ten Commandments. When Paul, in Romans, taught the Ten Commandments were our teacher, he was, absolutely correct. Did Jesus, then at His death, finalize the Covenant, yes, but there is no New Covenant of Grace.

This is the last derailing comment I am going to answer... ask away but expect no answer except it e about the subject of this string.
 
This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never meant to save any man.

I know people from all over the world consider the Mosaic Law to be a Covenant but a Covenant is a Contract that must be fulfilled and there has never been a single man, save Jesus, that could fulfill the Ten Commandments. When Paul, in Romans, taught the Ten Commandments were our teacher, he was, absolutely correct. Did Jesus, then at His death, finalize the Covenant, yes, but there is no New Covenant of Grace.

This is the last derailing comment I am going to answer... ask away but expect no answer except it e about the subject of this string.


Thank you for you answer. I now understand where you sit, and no matter what scripture I post or what passage I may quote, you will not hear it, and obviously you to seem to have a bone to pick with me. I will bow out of this thread and I will cease from responding to any of your posts because I will not be the cause of the hardening of your heart. I will leave you to your study, what ever that may be.


1 Corinthians 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar.

1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar.

Hebrews 13:10-12
We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Revelation 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The lake of fire is nothing that the children of Israel did not witness in the wilderness, or at the dedication of Solomon's Temple. When you stand before the lake of fire you will judged according to your works, your works being your offering, and your offering will be consumed by the lake of fire. But as the scriptures declares, the offering is burnt without the camp. And who his outside the camp? Who didn't make it in through the narrow gate?

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Oba 1:12 But look not thou on the day of thy brother in the day of his disaster, and rejoice not over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither speak proudly in the day of distress.

Oba 1:13 Enter not into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, look not thou on their affliction in the day of their calamity, neither lay ye hands on their substance in the day of their calamity.

Oba 1:14 And stand thou not in the crossway, to cut off those of his that escape; and deliver not up those of his that remain in the day of distress.

Oba 1:15 For the day of Jehovah is near upon all the nations: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee; thy dealing shall return upon thine own head.
Deb,
I sincerely apologize for what our neighbors have wrought here since page four because in review I know I should not have responded to a single one of the off topic posts making me the guilty one here. Hopefully, these folks will read this note and know I will not address any more off topic posts and ramble again for three pages accomplishing nothing but senescence and confusion that is not of our God. I thank you for your patience.

Now we are entering the area of this prophesy where I have experienced and witnessed the fulfillment. I am not about to proclaim the Nazis and Emperor Hero Hito to be God's people, they are not. However, the Bible, absolutely contains Life Application Principals that every nation, state or region and every person is required, by God, to apply to their lives.

In verse 10 we find the principal every soldier of the US is instructed to follow but, as I am aware, all, even, perhaps, most, do not follow to the letter but rather they pillage the enemy. i.e. I hated the old M16s because they got people killed and we never knew when they would jam. I am working a photo for a friend, a fellow Killer Spade where he is holding a Tommy Gun. I preferred the .45 Caliber Grease Gun I took from a dead VC. Neither of these were government issue but both fired American Ammo because they were American made. We did, exactly what God warns us not to do.

This is even restated in verse 13 with a great deal of emphasis. We like to call our nation God's People and God has blessed this nation for a very long time but, certainly, not because the bulk of the people, the nation, have followed Him, no, that blessing is because God has a remnant here in the US. Some of us are the small group of Jewish Christians and the, ever, to, small group of adopted children called or known as, Christians. (1Cor. 1:21, 2Pet. 3:9, Psa. 119)

In verse 14 we see this happening right now in this nation built on Religious Freedom. The Movement is not attacking Hollywood's Buddhists, Christian Scientists, and who knows what the latest fad has invented. No, the cutting off is God's People, the Christians and they have begun to tie, even, the Fundamental Jews to us ecause we came out of the Jewish Faith. They are cutting off God's people in favor of gods.

And verse 15, there is a book to be written there. I worked eleven yhears plus for Nippon Express, translate the first word and it reads Japan Express. At the local International Airport complex there are both, multiple Japanese and German Exporters doing business and all of them are nation wide in the US. Their primary business is exporting America's Treasures as many, many, German and Japanese companies pillage this nation, ¿in much the same way these folks believe we did to them?

Please, I love history and I know, for fact, they have built a lie to believe but they do believe it.
 
In verse 10 we find the principal every soldier of the US is instructed to follow but, as I am aware, all, even, perhaps, most, do not follow to the letter but rather they pillage the enemy
V10, I see unjustified killing.
This is even restated in verse 13 with a great deal of emphasis.
I can see pillage here.
In verse 14 we see this happening right now in this nation built on Religious Freedom.
In this one I see cruelty to refugees of war and jailing of those who surrendered.
And verse 15, there is a book to be written there.
Here I see, God's judgement on those Edomites, who did the things listed above, to the Israelites.
 
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