Bible Study Obidiah vs. America

[Deborah13]

No, no one has made me the Bible, nor have they made me in the image of the Bible. I am made in the image of Christ, and I am afraid that you confuse the words of the Bible with the Word of God who dwells with my heart..

ez, sometimes I think you say some really good things and I appreciate them. However, this study is about what we believe are the Words that God has given to all of us. That is what we can all see and study together. God's Word that is in your heart, is between you and God, we cannot study it in any context other than the written word of God, the Bible.

 

[ezrider]

ez, sometimes I think you say some really good things and I appreciate them. However, this study is about what we believe are the Words that God has given to all of us. That is what we can all see and study together. God's Word that is in your heart, is between you and God, we cannot study it in any context other than the written word of God, the Bible.

Nay, for what good does it to do to keep the Word of God locked away in my heart. Are not we to let the light inside us begin to shine forth. If I say something you would like more context to, all one has to do is show a little curiosity and ask. But when my comment is met with insults and criticism, then why should I offer them more? Why should I give them the scripture unless they are sincere in understanding.

It is not as if I made it up about by vine being cast off and the seed of Israel being sown with the seed of gentiles and grafted back in again, nor is it something I hold in some secret counsel with God. It is there plainly in the scriptures for anyone to read and believe.

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[th1b.taylor]

No, no one has made me the Bible, nor have they made me in the image of the Bible. I am made in the image of Christ, and I am afraid that you confuse the words of the Bible with the Word of God who dwells with my heart.

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No, this is not the place for this discussion but the Bible is the Word of God, recorded by men chosen by God because they were submitted, life and body to Him. The Bible is the Last Court of Arbitration until the time the Living Word, Logos or Jesus, returns to rule. That means, by inference, that this is the standard all things are measured against.

AS I said, this string is not the place to discuss this and you have, before, rejected the truth but there it stands, the truth.

 

[ezrider]

No, this is not the place for this discussion but the Bible is the Word of God, recorded by men chosen by God because they were submitted, life and body to Him. The Bible is the Last Court of Arbitration until the time the Living Word, Logos or Jesus, returns to rule. That means, by inference, that this is the standard all things are measured against.

AS I said, this string is not the place to discuss this and you have, before, rejected the truth but there it stands, the truth.

Your disbelieve shall not prevent my Faith, just as the unbelieving Jews could not prevent the Gospel. The promise of God is not lost on me, for I know His Spirit dwells with me.


2 Cor 3:1-6
Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
And such trust have we through Christ to God- ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit:for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[th1b.taylor]

That is the only Israel that is God's chosen people. The remnant, correct?

Yes but that is not all inclusive, they are the Messianic Jewish believers and I, for one, was born an American and was raised by Atheist parents. I am grafted into the vine but I am not the vine and I am not the Root Stock.

You appear to handle to handle comparisons quite well so I'll use one from my earlier life here. As a Rosarian I loved grafting different color roses to a hearty Native Texas Root Stock, this is just what God has done with us, the Christians. I would go into the forest in East Texas to find a new root stock. On finding one I preferred allowing the skimp native Roses to get a solid footing, taking, some times as much as four or five years before I removed all of the stalks but one, one to make certain my first graft took and if it didn't, the single native would require the root to grow to feed it.

I carefully chose my canes to be very, very hearty and healthy before I cut and prepared them to be grafted. If the first graft took, after it looked like it was growing well, a couple more years, I removed everything but the grafted cane and when it had become a good 3/4 of and inch and no less than four foot tall I began slicing down, slightly, above an eye and placed a short but healthy cane between the eyeshoot and the wood of the stalk.

Form there I wrapped the whole joint with Florist Tape leaving the top open to pour melted Candle Wax into, giving the new can nowhere to receive moisture from but from the stalk. When these grew out from the Chrysler Canes they were white, the ever popular JFK, yellow and the posibilities were endless and they made beautiful Rose Trees.

We, a bold variety of peoples, have been, likewise, grafted into the Jewish remnant.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes but that is not all inclusive, they are the Messianic Jewish believers and I, for one, was born an American and was raised by Atheist parents. I am grafted into the vine but I am not the vine and I am not the Root Stock.

Did someone say you were the vine or the root stock? I sure didn't.
Please address the scriptures you said I pulled out of context. I double dare ya'!

 

[ezrider]

Christians did not become the new Israel! The promise of God, alone, is proof of that and pulling the scriptures out of their context should and were we like the Berans, would tip us off, immediately that something, major, is wrong. Using a part instead of the whole of scripture to define Israel is such a dangerous thing to do.

No, Christians did not become the new Israel. Christians became the body of Christ, the Church of God. But the Church did not come after the nation of Israel, the Church proceeded the covenant nation of Israel, for the Church was in the wilderness with them, before they broke covenant with the church and chose a covenant with Moses instead.

Acts 7:37-39
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt.

Jesus is the Israel of God, and all of the promises that were given to Israel, were given to Christ as the inheritor. For in Isaac shall your seed be called, the child of promise. The child of promise was Jesus, the Israel of God, the son of Isaac. We being in Christ, who is the true vine back to our father Abraham through Isaac. The vine that became the nation of Israel after the covenant with Moses has been cast off and is ready to be burned. That seed has been sown again with men and beast to be grafted back into the true vine once again. The vine of the Church that was in the wilderness, before they turned their backs to follow Moses instead.

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[th1b.taylor]

Did someone say you were the vine or the root stock? I sure didn't.
Please address the scriptures you said I pulled out of context. I double dare ya'!

Well, if they do they are more fooled than if they think they are. LOL!

 

[th1b.taylor]

No, Christians did not become the new Israel. Christians became the body of Christ, the Church of God. But the Church did not come after the nation of Israel, the Church proceeded the covenant nation of Israel, for the Church was in the wilderness with them, before they broke covenant with the church and chose a covenant with Moses instead.

Acts 7:37-39
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt.

Man, this is where studying the whole of scripture is so profitable. The Church in the wilderness had nothing to do with the Christian Church of the first century. You cannot possibly illustrate that connection for us, can you?

Jesus is the Israel of God, and all of the promises that were given to Israel, were given to Christ as the inheritor. For in Isaac shall your seed be called, the child of promise. The child of promise was Jesus, the Israel of God, the son of Isaac. We being in Christ, who is the true vine back to our father Abraham through Isaac. The vine that became the nation of Israel after the covenant with Moses has been cast off and is ready to be burned. That seed has been sown again with men and beast to be grafted back into the true vine once again. The vine of the Church that was in the wilderness, before they turned their backs to follow Moses instead.

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Jesus is born of Israel but you have a long way to go to prove what you say from the scriptures, the Christian' s Last Court of Arbitration until Jesus returns. Please have a go, even in this string, to prove what you say from His own Word.

 

[ezrider]

Just out of curiosity th1b.taylor but do you believe that Jesus has already established the new covenant? Or are you waiting for Him to establish His covenant when he returns?

 

[Deborah13]

Man, this is where studying the whole of scripture is so profitable. The Church in the wilderness had nothing to do with the Christian Church of the first century. You cannot possibly illustrate that connection for us, can you?

I'm going to answer this because it appears to me that you guys are having way too much fun making remarks and not posting supporting scripture.

Who was with the church in the wilderness besides Moses?
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Who's backside did Moses see when he was hidden in the cleft of the rock?

 

[th1b.taylor]

I'm going to answer this because it appears to me that you guys are having way too much fun making remarks and not posting supporting scripture.

Who was with the church in the wilderness besides Moses?
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Who's backside did Moses see when he was hidden in the cleft of the rock?

Thank you, you've done what ez should have and now I can explain that the folks with Moses were the peoples of Judah and Israel. I say Judah also, only, because they later separated themselves. These are the Jews that have not seen Solomon build God a home.

edit: They have nothing to do with the Christ Followers because there was not a Christ born yet.

 

[Deborah13]

Thank you, you've done what ez should have and now I can explain that the folks with Moses were the peoples of Judah and Israel. I say Judah also, only, because they later separated themselves. These are the Jews that have not seen Solomon build God a home.

edit: They have nothing to do with the Christ Followers because there was not a Christ born yet.

I don't think you interested in addressing scripture. So I will bow out now.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Just out of curiosity th1b.taylor but do you believe that Jesus has already established the new covenant? Or are you waiting for Him to establish His covenant when he returns?

This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never ment

I don't think you interested in addressing scripture. So I will bow out now.

Yes mam, but I did directly address the issue he is currently trying to steer the string to in my answer to your post. On the other hand, while I'm desperately working to get my new computer back into service I did answer but not a word from ez.

 

[Deborah13]

This New Covenant idea is just that. (Mal. 3:6a) From the Mosaic Law, never ment

Yes mam, but I did directly address the issue he is currently trying to steer the string to in my answer to your post. On the other hand, while I'm desperately working to get my new computer back into service I did answer but not a word from ez.

I was hoping that you would address the scriptures that I had posted, that you said I had taken out of context. Maybe you missed the post where I requested that you show me. I can wait for you to get your computer going, I'll watch for an alert.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I was hoping that you would address the scriptures that I had posted, that you said I had taken out of context. Maybe you missed the post where I requested that you show me. I can wait for you to get your computer going, I'll watch for an alert.

I'll look back, I must be getting old.

 

[Deborah13]

This has a lot to do with what's so wrong with Christians today. Some of the verses of the New Testament are singled out, ripped from their context and destroyed because instead of leaving them in their context and then using a Chain Reference and/or the Nave's or Torry's Topical Study.

This was post # 98 from you to me. You can backward from there.

 

[th1b.taylor]

What does scripture say. This has nothing to do with growing sentiments, only scripture. Can you address the scripture?
Deu 7:9 `And thou hast known that Jehovah thy God He is God, the faithful God, keeping the covenant, and the kindness, to those loving Him, and to those keeping His commands--to a thousand generations,
Deu 7:10 and repaying to those hating Him, unto their face, to destroy them; He delayeth not to him who is hating Him--unto his face, He repayeth to him--

Who were the promises for, Those loving and obeying Him. Are you one of those loving Him and obeying Him?
Do those who reject the Messiah, love and obey Him?

Sorry, I thought I had responded.

The promises were for te Faithful Jew and through Jesus, they are applied to the Christian that is not a Christian in name only. Is that enough?

 

[ezrider]

I'm going to answer this because it appears to me that you guys are having way too much fun making remarks and not posting supporting scripture.

Who was with the church in the wilderness besides Moses?
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Who's backside did Moses see when he was hidden in the cleft of the rock?

Thank you for that scripture reference. It adds another witness to that which I posted from Acts 7:37-39.

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[Deborah13]

Sorry, I thought I had responded.

The promises were for te Faithful Jew and through Jesus, they are applied to the Christian that is not a Christian in name only. Is that enough?

That's OK, no apology necessary.

Is that your answer to this question? "Who is God saying should not be harmed?"

I still don't know what I took out of context. Oh well.....