Observing the Sabbath

[Joe Domingo]

John:
20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been
taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to
Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them,
“They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they
have laid Him.”

You are chopping the scripture up man. See the bold words.

He was already risen. Again I ask, Hebrew or Julian calendar?

 

[smaller]

Besides that I have no issues with believers who gather on Sunday either. Do
you?

I personally - do not have an issue either.

It's like this for me. If someone wants to worship idols - that's on them. IF someone wants to steal - that's on them. Who am I to condemn them?

Bad equation. There is no 'evil day' of the week.

Same way I feel about Sunday worship - who am I to condemn?

I'm not apt to buy the surface brush off you spin Joe.

If you think God condemns stealing and lying, then you also think God condemns a Sunday gathering, which is ludicrous. As if any gathering of sinners on any given day is going to change their status as sinners.

The bottom line Joe is that none of us become 'legal' or 'sinless' by our actions of stealing or not stealing. We are and remain SINNERS, regardless.

However, I am very curious to see what scripture someone can use to authorize Sunday observance. Main reason why I started the thread.

There are tons of scripture that authorize Sabbath observance - where do I start?

Why would it matter to you? If you don't condemn anyone (which is more than likely a LIE on your part) and you don't become any less of a sinner on Saturday Sabbath than Sunday not really sure what your beef really is.

More than likely you think the Sunday Sabbath folk are in fact condemned sinners in GODS EYES and you are somehow made temporarily sinless or a legally obedient sinner on Saturday and thereby justified.

If you had no club in your hand to beat the Sunday folk with, it wouldn't matter to you one bit.

If it's a PROBLEM for you then it becomes a matter of you being honest about the subjects (or not.) I'm not one to leave the facts of condemnation of other believers or phony constucts made to dodge the real answers lurking beneath the surface.

Heard my share of 'word games' in the arena of theology. Cut to the chase.

At least the SDAers outright state that any believer not doing Saturday Sabbath is sinning, condemned for sinning and stands possibly to be eternally killed.

So fess up or outright deny that you have a similar track and we'll put it to bed or drag it out into the open so at least we know where you really are at.

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[Mizzy]

[MENTION=96446]Joe Domingo[/MENTION],

What I just saw you do in this thread has been my past experience with Sabbath keepers. I even had one to tell me that my father had cancer because we didn't keep the Sabbath. I have no reason to believe anyone here isn't a Christian if I see the professing "Yes" under their name. We are ALL learning & being sanctified & when you give the impression that you're not in that group of people being sanctified by lifting your knowledge up as being the only possible answer, then you are that pharisee in Luke 18.

I hope you will see that for future discussions, brother.

Love in Christ,
Mizzy

 

[Joe Domingo]

Smaller - I'm not sure how to say this but I think I need to report you to a Mod -on the grounds that you are calling me a liar. I believe the Mods do not want to see that happening on this forum.

I will say it again another way. I don't condemn as person for worshipping on Sunday. They can do what they want to do, we all must answer to God about our actions. Jesus talked about people that would cast out demons in his name and yet and still he told them that he does not know them and called them workers of iniquity. So what I mean about that is that it is Jesus who will do the condemning about any issues not me.

And I don't believe a mod on this forum can penalize me for pointing out historicity concerning Sunday observance.

At this point Smaller - I really wished that you could just stop conversing with me

 

[Joe Domingo]

Mizzy - I simply do not know how else to say this but I will try again.

I personally - DO NOT condemn or judge anyone. Sin is the transgression of the Law. I DID NOT WRITE THAT. Again, I do not judge anyone.

If it were so - I would just tell you that you are a sinner, that you break the Law. But why would I do that?

I personally think the word speaks for itself and I leave the Word convict. If it doesn't why would it bother you.

I really just want to see what scriptures people use to not observe Sabbath as well as Sunday observance. That way I can debate those scriptures. But aside from that - why would I try to help the Word condemn someone? That's useless.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sin is the transgression of the Law.

But is transgression of the Law sin?

See the difference?

 

[smaller]

Smaller - I'm not sure how to say this but I think I need to report you to a Mod -on the grounds that you are calling me a liar. I believe the Mods do not want to see that happening on this forum.

I'm asking you to tell the facts Joe. And also said what was required to deny that you hold those facts.

Spin that however you want. The fact that huge numbers of believers practice what I speak of is no mystery. We're all adults. I only like to know who I'm dealing with on the other end of the presentations, FATE wise.

If someone says that another believer who doesn't hold what they do and it's OK with them and they think it's OK with God, that's one thing.

IF however someone brings their message that 'we' must 'do like you' or be outright or potentially condemned, then it's fair game to request the factual 'end' of their story.

I totally understand that's it's uncomfortable territory. It's meant to be. It's also HONEST to speak forthrightly and not so much to 'beat around the bush.'

I will say it again another way. I don't condemn as person for worshipping on Sunday. They can do what they want to do, we all must answer to God about our actions.

Well Joe, HOW WILL GOD then answer the equations in YOUR MIND?

???

I don't buy the 'not me but God will' stories. Sorry. That's just a cop out for 'what YOU think God will in fact do.'

Again, I understand it's uncomfortable for you to answer this.

Jesus talked about people that would cast out demons in his name and yet and still he told them that he does not know them and called them workers of iniquity. So what I mean about that is that it is Jesus who will do the condemning about any issues not me.

We have some specific matters on the table so no need to side step.

In your mind is God in Christ going to eternally kill or eternally torture in fire those believers who don't do like you do on Saturday?

There are only 3 possible answers if you want to keep it simple. Yes, No or Possibly.

And I don't believe a mod on this forum can penalize me for pointing out historicity concerning Sunday observance.

That is not even on the table in our exchange. I don't think God is going to eternally kill or eternally torture any believer over either day. SEE how easy that is to answer openly, forthrightly and without SHADOWS?

At this point Smaller - I really wished that you could just stop conversing with me

I'm sure you do. People who don't like to answer openly have in fact ALREADY shown their answer haven't they?

???

s

 

[Mizzy]

This is wrong biblically.

Christ expired Wednesday at 3pm. He was entombed by sunset.
He remained in the tomb for 3 days and three nights, a total of 72 hours.
The count follows ...
Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset 1 Day/1 Night
Thursday sunset to Friday sunset 2 Days/2 Nights
Friday sunset to Saturday sunset 3 Days/3 Nights

He walked out of his tomb right after sunset Saturday. Which would be the first day of the week for the Jews. BUT according to the Julian calendar - it was NOT Sunday yet.

Then what the heck are Sabbath keepers doing? Every SDA I know keeps Saturday as the Sabbath, but the Sabbath cannot be Saturday if it was the first day of the week for the Jews! If God is so inclined to enforce the Sabbath, then I'd suggest you start taking Fridays off of work, bruthah. ;)

 

[smaller]

I personally - DO NOT condemn or judge anyone. Sin is the transgression of the Law. I DID NOT WRITE THAT. Again, I do not judge anyone.

If it were so - I would just tell you that you are a sinner, that you break the Law. But why would I do that?

I personally think the word speaks for itself and I leave the Word convict. If it doesn't why would it bother you.

I really just want to see what scriptures people use to not observe Sabbath as well as Sunday observance. That way I can debate those scriptures. But aside from that - why would I try to help the Word condemn someone? That's useless.

You're beating around the bush JOE.

When you do Saturday Sabbath you are what?

A. Sinless until you sin the next time
B. Temporarily Sinless
C. An obedient Sinner

Every one of you 'legalists' that I've dialoged with HATE to speak to these facts. They just HATE to have to answer.

And for the record, even if one is not murdering, not stealing, not committing adultery or doing Saturday Sabbath or not doing any other illegal thing or obeying any legal thing they STILL are NOT SINLESS.

s

 

[Mizzy]

I personally think the word speaks for itself and I leave the Word convict. If it doesn't why would it bother you.

Maybe for the same reason it bothers you to be labeled, Joe. It's unedifying and, although it doesn't make either of us feel unsaved, it can certainly hurt a brother or a sister to be made to feel like they're less because they don't agree. It was your words that stated "only the elect" can see it. You labeled all others as being not of the elect.

 

[smaller]

@Joe Domingo ,

What I just saw you do in this thread has been my past experience with Sabbath keepers. I even had one to tell me that my father had cancer because we didn't keep the Sabbath.

Love in Christ,
Mizzy

I'll readily admit to having a pet peeve over such pretenders. I could recount so many similar events "personally" it would make most normal people physically ILL to even hear of them.

s

 

[Joe Domingo]

Oh my GOD you people are all over the place - where do I start!!!!!!!!!

In your mind is God in Christ going to eternally kill or eternally torture in
fire those believers who don't do like you do on Saturday?
There are only 3
possible answers if you want to keep it simple. Yes, No or Possibly.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Are you serious right NOW!

I'm heated.

Then what the heck are Sabbath keepers doing? Every SDA I know keeps
Saturday as the Sabbath, but the Sabbath cannot be Saturday if it was the first
day of the week for the Jews! If God is so inclined to enforce the Sabbath,
then I'd suggest you start taking Fridays off of work, bruthah

What are YOU talking about sista!@!@!@!@!@!

The Hebrew calendar is simply.

1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, 6th day, Shabbat.

What I was saying is that Jesus rose at the end of the 6th day. Which begins the 1st day of the week in the Hebrew calendar but in the Julian calendar it is still Saturday. Duh.

 

[George Muller]

John:
20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been
taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to
Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them,
“They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they
have laid Him.”

You are chopping the scripture up man. See the bold words.

He was already risen. Again I ask, Hebrew or Julian calendar?

That has nothing to do with the clear Words of the Holy Spirit, that make this point very clear. "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

YES IS IS OFTEN A LITTLE DARK EARLY IN THE MORNING

 

[Joe Domingo]

You know what Smaller - you are a very judgmental person calling me a LIAR. And you are a Christian!

 

[Joe Domingo]

John:
20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been
taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to
Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them,
“They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they
have laid Him.â€

You are chopping the scripture up man. See the bold words.

He was already risen. Again I ask, Hebrew or Julian calendar?

That has nothing to do with the clear Words of the Holy Spirit, that make this point very clear. "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

George - it requires reading comprehension skills and analytical thinking.

What part of it was still dark and Jesus was not in the tomb did you not understand?

George stop it. Who's massaging words now? Dark is Dark bro.

 

[WIP]

I think this thread is taking a nosedive to nowhwere healthy. I'm closing it.