Observing the Sabbath

[JLB]

I need to learn how to do partial quotes...LOL

Just highlight the portion you wish to quote with your cursor, then a "quote" prompt will appear, then just click the Quote prompt.


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[JLB]

You can do this with multiple quotes from a post or even from different post's.

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[SeekHisFace]

You can do this with multiple quotes from a post or even from different post's.

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Thank you JLB...
I did try this with one...but soon, I think I will try it with multiples...
Hooray...an new (for me) gadget to work with...
Thank you...

Blessings...

 

[WIP]

I would too, @Joe Domingo . I've seen it asked of you 3 times (at last count) in
this thread & you have yet to answer it. So, please do clarify how we are
required to "observe the Sabbath?"

C'mon Joe Everybody is asking you to tell us what it means to Keep the sabbath.

This is how I observe Shabbat see below

Hello Joe,

First of all, I have not read through all this thread yet, so if I repeat anything...forgive me. I just wanted to reply to you first before I read anyone else's comments.

I observe the Sabbath because of what I have found/where (scripture) the Lord has led me. I do not observe this in the way most people reply concerning it being in the old law. I keep this day very simple and follow the way Jesus kept it. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath when indeed He really was showing what it was all about. It was not about keeping rules and regulations/men's doctrine--written ordinances. It was all about honoring the Father and getting away for our works and doing the works of God. We cannot do this 7 days a week. No one can tell me that they are in God's "rest" every day, when they are off doing their jobs for other men--their way, etc. Sabbath day is a day for God, to get away from the works of the world and do God's works. Jesus did healings on the Sabbath, helping others. He picked corn-when He was hungry...etc. And Isaiah chapter 56, talks of it being a house of prayer, pleasing Him and not polluting it.
I will leave this post with these verses:

Mat_24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


If Jesus came to change this...He would not have said this. Because this was a future event--after his death and resurrection.

Blessings...

Thank you sister - very well said and full of grace.

But know this, there will be some that will respond and say that Jesus was speaking of Jews in Israel that would be keeping the Shabbat during the tribulation, not Christians. But of course that is silly, since Jesus was addressing HIS followers. Who were indeed Jews and Israelites (Galileans) and gentiles (Samaritans) who all kept Shabbat and believed in Christ as Lord. But we conveniently believe what we want.

So your point sister is actually made for the elect, it is the elect that knows to keep the Shabbat in Grace

A chief sinner such as myself, who has broken ALL Ten Commandments, why would I keep Shabbat for salvation? Only Jesus can save me. I keep Shabbat because I do not lie to myself. I find no rest during the six day week, there is always something to hog up my time and attention.

I keep Shabbat to get away from it all. To reflect on how much Christ has done for me. To praise him and worship him. To say to the world, not now, see me in a day. To actually give the Lord more the 1 hour or two hours of devotion (Sunday service just didn't cut it for me, I needed more time with my Lord). To spend an entire day with the Lord and not have to attend to the cares of this world and work. It is a recluse.

Listen, YOU don't have to do this ... be free as you say you are, you are robbing yourself of time with God.

I was beginning to think you weren't going to give us your answer in your own words. Now I ask, what you describe to me sounds like spending a day in prayer and communication with God. If one is truly praying unceasingly as one should, how does spending your one day as you describe any different or set apart from any other day?

 

[Joe Domingo]

I was beginning to think you weren't going to give us your answer in your own words. Now I ask, what you describe to me sounds like spending a day in prayer and communication with God. If one is truly praying unceasingly as one should, how does spending your one day as you describe any different or set apart from any other day?

The problem about praying without ceasing is that in our busy FB Twitter Android world plus work, reality TV and anything else that fights for our attention It is basically impossible to devote time to the Lord. Folks go to church on Sunday morning for an hour, then it's off to the picnic, roller skating, movies, football etc

There is nothing wrong with being busy. God actually promoted the idea, six day you will labor and do all your work he commands, just like he did at creation. But then he ceased from being busy. This was a pattern he created for US. The Sabbath is for our benefit not his. It is for us to back off from being so busy.

And if you are honest with yourself and with me. you and I both know when you are at work - you will not be praying. I don't consider being at work and then I catch a second or two of meditating on the Lord praying with out ceasing, and that is about the best I can do when I'm busy producing for the Boss. So... I need my Shabbat.

 

[George Muller]

yes we have discussed this on another thread, but I guess I will begin to defend the reason the Chruch worships on the first day of the week. Of course if we where under the law, we very well should keep the sabbath. And I agree with the OP that if one claims to be under the Ten Commandments, they very much should be under all of them. The OP also says that he "observes" the sabbath? Not sure what that means, because according to the law, this has very certain rules according to the written code. What I assume is that this is a day of rest and worship for him? Which is just as fine as frog hair. But for us who worship on the 1st day, we have clear biblical reasons.

Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath

Again the reason the Chruch worships on Sunday is made very clear in the scriptures.
And I would repeat this scripture again and say will all confidence that this is the true fulfillment of the sabbath.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Elijah674]

Very Famous last words, huh?

--Elijah

 

[smaller]

Very Famous last words, huh?

--Elijah

Why you want to eternally kill other believers over the Sabbath is a main objection to your camp.

Saturday? Great. Sabbath away to your hearts delight. But to think you are any less the sinner for doing so? Uh, no. Not a chance. Every Saturday Sabbath person remains a sinner regardless of 'what day' they sit in the pew and they assuredly do not become sinless or legally obedient by doing what they do.

None of you Saturday people have come to the discussion table on the facts above and the fact that you seek to eternally kill other believers over the matter is beyond any dispute.

oh, yeah, you also expect us to believe it's not just your jaded limited views, but GODS...

sure....in your killing dreams.

s

 

[George Muller]

Very Famous last words, huh?

--Elijah

Well I do not seek to change the day that others worship, but I and others who worship on Sunday have very clear biblical evidence and stand in truth. We should understand the true biblical reasons why we honor the Day the Lord was raised from the dead.

 

[Mizzy]

So your point sister is actually made for the elect, it is the elect that knows to keep the Shabbat in Grace

Luke 18
10: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13: And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


That is all.

 

[smaller]

Luke 18
10: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13: And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

That is all.

If Paul the Apostle was legally obedient to the Saturday Sabbath he sure landed in a very converse understanding, post salvation:

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

s

 

[Mizzy]

Luke 18
10: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13: And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

That is all.

If Paul the Apostle was legally obedient to the Saturday Sabbath he sure landed in a very converse understanding, post salvation:

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

s

I concur. And this isn't my first experience of basically being called a heathen by a Sabbath keeper. It's a shame that the warnings against judging a sister or a brother's heart isn't heeded by Joe as deeply as his views on the keeping of a day.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Well I do not seek to change the day that others worship, but I and others who
worship on Sunday have very clear biblical evidence and stand in truth.

Show me the scriptures.

We should understand the true biblical reasons why we honor the Day the Lord
was raised from the dead.

This is wrong biblically.

Christ expired Wednesday at 3pm. He was entombed by sunset.
He remained in the tomb for 3 days and three nights, a total of 72 hours.
The count follows ...
Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset 1 Day/1 Night
Thursday sunset to Friday sunset 2 Days/2 Nights
Friday sunset to Saturday sunset 3 Days/3 Nights

He walked out of his tomb right after sunset Saturday. Which would be the first day of the week for the Jews. BUT according to the Julian calendar - it was NOT Sunday yet.

You are wrong.

Smaller and Mizzy - I am the OP and I am not condemning or damming anybody. I speak for myself.

What I am saying (Smaller and Mizzy) is that you are following the Sunday Law that Constantine instituted amongst the Christians of his day and which still holds applicable till today. Heck - we even have Sunday Blue Laws in this Country!!!

 

[smaller]

I concur. And this isn't my first experience of basically being called a heathen by a Sabbath keeper. It's a shame that the warnings against judging a sister or a brother's heart isn't heeded by Joe as deeply as his views on the keeping of a day.

We certainly don't want to bring their attentions to the obvious...;)

s

 

[Joe Domingo]

I concur. And this isn't my first experience of basically being called a heathen by a Sabbath keeper. It's a shame that the warnings against judging a sister or a brother's heart isn't heeded by Joe as deeply as his views on the keeping of a day.

We certainly don't want to bring their attentions to the obvious...;)

s

What is obvious? Who am I judging? You worship on Sunday, that's no secret, you do it openly.

What I am saying is that you are following a tradition that was started as a Law by a Roman King and then enforced as a religious creed by the Catholic Church.

So far I am accurate historically without judging anyone.

 

[smaller]

You are wrong.

Smaller and Mizzy - I am the OP and I am not condemning or damming anybody. I speak for myself.

Then you may in fact be one of the 'few' who do the Saturday Sabbath without A CLUB of damnation or death to other believers. OR you may say 'NOT ME, but GOD.' So even when saying you are not really saying, other than you may be saying NOT ME BUT GOD.

You are welcome to clarify.

What I am saying (Smaller and Mizzy) is that you are following the Sunday Law

I have no issues with Saturday being the correct Jewish Sabbath day. But even saying that is RIGHT doesn't make 'us' right and more than saying rightfully that Jesus Is Lord makes us Jesus.

that Constantine instituted amongst the Christians of his day and which still holds applicable till today. Heck - we even have Sunday Blue Laws in this Country!!!

Don't get me started on how much garbage the RCC has rolled into our christian sects in general. It's not allowed subject matter here. Most of us are aware of the vile and utter corruptions of the early churches in their joining, alliances and outright takeovers with and by the civil sword and wealthy aristocracy. One would have to bypass history entirely to miss those facts. Few good students do.

s

 

[smaller]

What is obvious? Who am I judging? You worship on Sunday, that's no secret, you do it openly.

Already stated multiple times in this thread alone that A. I condemn no Saturday Sabbath holder/keeper and that in my eyes you're saved regardless.

So where is your judgment beef? You complain that I believe you are saved? Want me to laugh now?

What I am saying is that you are following a tradition that was started as a Law by a Roman King and then enforced as a religious creed by the Catholic Church.

I'd suggest you are guessing and you have not even bothered to ask, but lept out in assumptions.

Besides that I have no issues with believers who gather on Sunday either. Do you?

So far I am accurate historically without judging anyone.

Remains to be probed.

s

 

[George Muller]

Re: Observing the Sabbath

Originally Posted by George Muller
yes we have discussed this on another thread, but I guess I will begin to defend the reason the Chruch worships on the first day of the week. Of course if we where under the law, we very well should keep the sabbath. And I agree with the OP that if one claims to be under the Ten Commandments, they very much should be under all of them. The OP also says that he "observes" the sabbath? Not sure what that means, because according to the law, this has very certain rules according to the written code. What I assume is that this is a day of rest and worship for him? Which is just as fine as frog hair. But for us who worship on the 1st day, we have clear biblical reasons.

Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
Again the reason the Chruch worships on Sunday is made very clear in the scriptures.
And I would repeat this scripture again and say will all confidence that this is the true fulfillment of the sabbath.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Show me the scriptures.:biglol






We should understand the true biblical reasons why we honor the Day the Lord
was raised from the dead.



This is wrong biblically

Read post #126 again, it is written in clear words.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Besides that I have no issues with believers who gather on Sunday either. Do
you?

I personally - do not have an issue either.

It's like this for me. If someone wants to worship idols - that's on them. IF someone wants to steal - that's on them. Who am I to condemn them?

Same way I feel about Sunday worship - who am I to condemn?

However, I am very curious to see what scripture someone can use to authorize Sunday observance. Main reason why I started the thread.

There are tons of scripture that authorize Sabbath observance - where do I start?

Edit: Excellent let's work with this one:

when Jesus was risen early
the first day of the week

Question for you - Hebrew or Julian calendar?

 

[George Muller]

The Words of the Holy Spirit, I think it was made clear.

Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Col 2.12