SonByAdoption said:
Everlasting Punishment not Punishing. Everlasting Judgement not Jugeing. Everlasting Damnation not Damming.
Everlasting Contempt and Abhoring. Surely the saints can't be looking down contempting and abhoring on the burning sinners forever and everlastingly when the Bible says that the wicked people won't be remembered anymore?
Sorry, but the EVIDENCE shows otherwise.
Eternal hell vs eternal life
Assertions/Conclusions of this Article
To show that 'Hell' is a temporary place whose contents will finally be put into this eternal 'lake of fire' and that that place is 'perpetual'.
We do not teach about torment because we want to get even or revenge but only because we want to warn everyone we can about the truth and save them from going to that terrible place. Don't let false teachings cause you to not take this issue VERY seriously.
Supporting Evidence
1.0
Two eternal destinies
"And when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then will He sit upon His glorious throne.
All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' "
Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me.' "
Then He will also say to those on the left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' "Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we did not minister to You?' "
Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, neither did you do it to Me.' "
And these shall go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.
(Mat 25:31-46 EMTV)
eternal
G166
αἰÎνιοÂ
aiÃ…Ânios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
No eternal punishment = No eternal life.
From that passage we see two distinct paths, one of which each of us will take depending on whether we are His child or not. It is also clear that the one path leads into the 'fire prepared for the devil and his angels', showing clearly that humans will at some point be put into the same place as Satan himself and the angels that decided to rebel against God with him.
Some use the argument that it doesnt SAY that people will burn forever, but it also doesnt specifically that they wont. Given the evidence as a whole, it seems much more likely that the people put in the lake of fire will face the same consequence that Satan and his angels will who are also there.
2.0
Resurrection to life or death
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(1Co 15:12-22 KJV)
So yes....ALL will be resurrected.
And what more is said about this resurrection ?
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(Joh 5)
ALL will be made alive..resurrected...some to eternal life, some to eternal condemnation.
2.5
The resurrection body
Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor can corruption inherit incorruption.
(1Co 15:50 EMTV)
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what sort of body do they come?" Fool, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that will be, but a bare grain--perhaps wheat or some other grains. But God gives to it a body just as He desired, and to each of the seeds its own body.
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is a different kind of flesh for men, and another flesh for beasts, another for fish, and another for birds. And there are celestial bodies, and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead.
The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
(1Co 15:35-44 EMTV)
These who reign with Christ during the millennial reign quite apparently DO have their resurrection bodies since death has no power over them and they live thru the millenium with Christ.
Scripture shows that the rest were resurrected afterward and judgment taking place.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:4-15 KJV)
3.0
Torment
And here again, these PEOPLE who take the mark.
Notice the word is not 'kolasis' which is an argument used by some.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Rev 14:9-10 KJV)
The sameG846 shall(G2532) drinkG4095 ofG1537 theG3588 wineG3631 of theG3588 wrathG2372 of God,G2316 which is poured outG2767 without mixtureG194 intoG1722 theG3588 cupG4221 of hisG848 indignation;G3709 andG2532 he shall be tormentedG928 withG1722 fireG4442 andG2532 brimstoneG2303 in the presenceG1799 of theG3588 holyG40 angels,G32 andG2532 in the presenceG1799 of theG3588 Lamb:G721
(Rev 14:10 KJV+)
G928
βαÃανίζÉ
basanizÃ…Â
bas-an-id'-zo
From G931; to torture: - pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.
Again, context of the whole SHOWS torment....
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(Luk 16:28 KJV)
Luk 16:28 ForG1063 I haveG2192 fiveG4002 brethren;G80 thatG3704 he may testifyG1263 unto them,G846 lestG3363 theyG846 alsoG2532 comeG2064 intoG1519 thisG5126 placeG5117 of torment.G931
G931
βάÃανοÂ
basanos
bas'-an-os
Perhaps remotely from the same as G939 (through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch stone, that is, (by analogy) torture: - torment.
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:11 KJV)
And here we have the rich man in hell asking for water to cool his tongue.
and longing to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. And even the dogs came and would lick his sores. And it came to pass that the beggar died, and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom.
The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am suffering in this flame.'
(Luk 16:21-24 EMTV)
SUFFERING
G3600
ὀδÃ…νάÉ
odunaÃ…Â
od-oo-nah'-o
From G3601; to grieve: - sorrow, torment.
The words are clear that the rich man is suffering because of the 'flame' and wants to be cooled.
G5395
ÆλÌξ
phlox
flox
From a primary ÆλÎÂγÉ phlegÃ…Â (to “flash†or “flameâ€Â); a blaze: - flame (-ing).
G2711
καÄαÈÃÂÇÉ
katapsuchÃ…Â
kat-ap-soo'-kho
From G2596 and G5594; to cool down (off), that is, refresh: - cool.
Sounds like a guy thats pretty hot, no ?
Hell and death have not yet been cast into the lake of fire which is the second death.
4.0
Duration
We'll look at the words used to describe duration of 'eternal' and see how these words are used elsewhere to determine what the context shows.
Here is one of those words, aionios.
G166
αἰÎνιοÂ
aiÃ…Ânios
Thayer Definition:
1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
G166
αἰÎνιοÂ
aiÃ…Ânios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Here we have PEOPLE who will burn forever who take the mark of the beast
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:11 KJV)
All who believe will live 'eternally' with Him.
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal (g166)life.
(Joh 3:15 KJV)
And I give unto them eternal (g166)life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(Joh 10:28 KJV)
Here's TWO DIFFERENT words entirely to make the point.
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal(g166) life:
(Rom 2:7 KJV)
immortality
G861
ἀÆθαÃÂÃία
aphtharsia
af-thar-see'-ah
From G862; incorruptibility; generally unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness: - immortality, incorruption, sincerity.
Looks like 'eternal' (g166) there is simply in AGREEMENT with the idea
Heres one...
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal (g166) Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(Heb 9:14 KJV)
We know the Spirit of God is 'eternal' supporting that g166 means precisely that.
Next we see that the glory of God is 'eternal'. If g166 means anything less than 'eternal' we would have to say that Gods glory is temporal.
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal(g166) glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
(1Pe 5:10 KJV)
Here we see that the gospel is 'eternal'.
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting (g166)gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(Rev 14:6 KJV)
And the Lords kingdom is also 'eternal' (g166)
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting (g166)kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
(2Pe 1:11 KJV)
And His covenant, also 'eternal'.
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting (G166)covenant,
(Heb 13:20 KJV)
We know God is 'eternal'...
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting (g166) God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
(Rom 16:26 KJV)
Hebrews 9:12 shows that He has SECURED 'eternal redemption' for us.
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(Heb 9:12 KJV)
the CONTEXT of 'eternal life' is just THAT...ETERNAL LIFE
And I give unto them eternal (g166) life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(Joh 10:28 KJV)
Gods word shows that that life is 'eternal' in the same way HE is by using the SAME greek word to describe it...aionios.
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting (g166) God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
(Rom 16:26 KJV)
5.0
Who will and who wont be saved...
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
(Rom 10:9-10 EMTV)
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 3:18 KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(Mat 7:21-23 KJV)
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:14-15 KJV)
But the cowardly, and unbelieving, and sinners, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and drug users, and idolaters, and all who are false shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:8 EMTV)
6.0
Old Testament Evidence
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and
some to shame and everlasting contempt.
(Dan 12:2 KJV)
H5769
עלנ/ עול×Â
‛ôlâm
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
1a) ancient time, long time (of past)
1b) (of future)
1b1) for ever, always
1b2) continuous existence, perpetual
1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
(Isa 66:23-24 KJV)
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Kolazo versus Kolasis
Internet source:
"The Greek word translated "punishment" in Matthew 25:46 means to curb, check, or restrain. The root idea is to put or place a person is a separated from God state and restrain him or her there forever. The word does not mean torture. Eternal torture is another gospel, false doctrine.
READERS, see this for yourself.
Internet source is using another word this word is DERIVED from, but it IS NOT the same exact word as the one he keeps claiming as explained below
Here is the actual word;
AndG2532 theseG3778 shall go awayG565 intoG1519 everlastingG166 punishment:G2851 butG1161 theG3588 righteousG1342 intoG1519 lifeG2222 eternal.G166
(Mat 25:46 KJV+)
This is the meaning. Notice that NEITHER scholar uses curb, check, or restrain as the Internet source falsely claims above.
Strong Definition:
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
Thayer Definition:
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
1) correction, punishment, penalty
What the Internet source is doing is trying to mislead by claiming that this word that has its OWN meaning is exactly the same as the word it is derived from, which is this word
Notice that BOTH scholars agree about the intent of the word being curtail or curb.
Thayer Definition:
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Strongs Definition:
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
kol-ad'-zo
From κÌλο kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.
The first word kolasis appears here in the NT;
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
punishment, 1
Mat_25:46
torment, 1
1Jo_4:18
The second word Kolazo appears here in the NT;
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
punish, 1
Act_4:21
punished, 1
2Pe_2:9
Kolazo means 'curb, check, restrain'.
The word USED ....kolasis'....means PUNISHMENT / TORMENT
Not even Thayers shows them as meaning the SAME thing
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
Thayer Definition:
1) correction, punishment, penalty
Strong Definition:
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
versus
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
Thayer Definition:
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Strongs Definition:
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
kol-ad'-zo
From κÌλο kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.
What is clear is that Kolasis is MUCH narrower in intent than the root word Kolazo.
And EVEN IF Kolasis DID mean the same thing as Kolazo, the word Kolazo DOES MEAN 'punish' and in no way nullifies 'torment' in eternal flames...it actual would confirm 'confinement' AND 'punishment' !
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
Thayer Definition:
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Strongs Definition:
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
kol-ad'-zo
From κÌλο kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.
Internet source:
"Similarly does the verb form of the word "kolasis" refer to torment? Nope. In 2 Peter 2:9 the idea is sinners will be kept in Hades until judgment, then they will be tossed into the lake of fire. So again the idea is rejection and separation. And finally, Acts 4:21 makes my case overwhelmingly. They let them go, finding no basis by which they could "kolasis in verb form" them. They let them go rather than "curb, check or restrain" them.
Actually the word in 2 Peter 2:9 isnt kolasis(G2851) but is kolazo(G2849) instead.
They are related, but they are not the same exact word.
Acts 4:21 isnt kolasis(G2851) either, but is also kolazo(G2849).
Its is apparent that kolasis(G2851) is FROM kolazo(G2849), but this doesnt make it the same exact word or the same exact intent.
kolasis(G2851)
Mat 25:46 AndG2532 theseG3778 shall go awayG565 intoG1519 everlastingG166 punishment:G2851 butG1161 theG3588 righteousG1342 intoG1519 lifeG2222 eternal.G166
There isG2076 noG3756 fearG5401 inG1722 love;G26 butG235 perfectG5046 loveG26 castethG906 outG1854 fear:G5401 becauseG3754 fearG5401 hathG2192 torment.G2851 (G1161) He that fearethG5399 is notG3756 made perfectG5048 inG1722 love.G26
(1Jn 4:18 KJV+)
G2851
Strongs
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
G2851
κÌλαÃιÂ
kolasis
Thayer Definition:
1) correction, punishment, penalty
VERSUS...
kolazo(G2849)
SoG1161 when theyG3588 had further threatenedG4324 them, they let them go,G630 G846 findingG2147 nothingG3367 howG4459 they might punishG2849 them,G846 becauseG1223 of theG3588 people:G2992 forG3754 allG3956 men glorifiedG1392 GodG2316 forG1909 that which was done.G1096
(Act 4:21 KJV+)
The LordG2962 knowethG1492 how to deliverG4506 the godlyG2152 out ofG1537 temptations,G3986 andG1161 to reserveG5083 the unjustG94 untoG1519 the dayG2250 of judgmentG2920 to be punished:G2849
(2Pe 2:9 )
G2849
Strongs
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
kol-ad'-zo
From κÌλο kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
Thayer Definition:
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Internet source seems to be correct about kolazÃ…Â and the intent there...but that isnt the same word that is in the end of Matthew.
Additionally the scholars have determined NOT to use 'curb, check or restrain' there in 2 Peter, so why is Internet sources choice of renderings more accurate than theirs?
Based on Matthew 25 and its uselasis which doesnt mean 'curb' , its easy enough to discern that the intent of 2 Peter is probably 'punish'...
And again EVEN IF Kolasis DID mean the same thing as Kolazo, the word Kolazo DOES MEAN 'punish' and in no way nullifies 'torment' in eternal flames...it actual would confirm 'confinement' AND 'punishment' !
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
Thayer Definition:
1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Strongs Definition:
G2849
κολάζÉ
kolazÃ…Â
kol-ad'-zo
From κÌλο kolos (dwarf); properly to curtail, that is, (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction): - punish.
