One True 'Fold' ONLY??

[Elijah674]

Heb. 9
[4] Which had the golden censer, and the ark [of the covenant] overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the [tables of the covenant];
[5] And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly (but read on!)


Heb. 13

[20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the [everlasting covenant], (Was the MERCY SEAT ABOVE EVERLASTING? AND THE ARK OF GOD? + THE ETERNAL COVENANT INSIDE OF THE ARK?? Even note Rev. 11:18-19’s time of the DEAD to be Judged, and the Ark of His Covenant is seen in the Temple!)


It is interesting that the ones who want to destroy the Lords Eternal Law, actually only want to destroy the one that He wrote REMEMBER before. Exod. 20

[8] Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. -----------------(and remember from where? Gen. 1-2’s Birthday of Creation Week! Psalms 135:13’s MEMORIAL!!)-----------------
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And this forth one is the last Commandment of the First Table of stone that covers WORSHIP to God FIRST, & the next six covers our duty to man. And satans attack?? Dan. 7:25 has only this REMEMBER one that most want to toss out. At least verbally & argument wise! In other words perhaps killing might still be thought bad, and to own up to the rest?? Perhaps not? But openly breaking these other nine are thought to be still bad, huh? (by a few!)


Heb. 10
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued [not in my covenant], and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; [[[I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts]] and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


And again, His law finds the forth Remember Commandment removed by the Eternally ones to be! James 2

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (and their fate? see Obad. 1:16)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

See Eccl. 12:13-14 for the only question asked when the Lords comes again!

–Elijah

 

[Adullam]

Heb. 9
[4] Which had the golden censer, and the ark [of the covenant] overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the [tables of the covenant];
[5] And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly (but read on!)


Heb. 13

[20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the [everlasting covenant], (Was the MERCY SEAT ABOVE EVERLASTING? AND THE ARK OF GOD? + THE ETERNAL COVENANT INSIDE OF THE ARK?? Even note Rev. 11:18-19’s time of the DEAD to be Judged, and the Ark of His Covenant is seen in the Temple!)


It is interesting that the ones who want to destroy the Lords Eternal Law, actually only want to destroy the one that He wrote REMEMBER before. Exod. 20

[8] Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. -----------------(and remember from where? Gen. 1-2’s Birthday of Creation Week! Psalms 135:13’s MEMORIAL!!)-----------------
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And this forth one is the last Commandment of the First Table of stone that covers WORSHIP to God FIRST, & the next six covers our duty to man. And satans attack?? Dan. 7:25 has only this REMEMBER one that most want to toss out. At least verbally & argument wise! In other words perhaps killing might still be thought bad, and to own up to the rest?? Perhaps not? But openly breaking these other nine are thought to be still bad, huh? (by a few!)


Heb. 10
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued [not in my covenant], and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; [[[I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts]] and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


And again, His law finds the forth Remember Commandment removed by the Eternally ones to be! James 2

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (and their fate? see Obad. 1:16)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

See Eccl. 12:13-14 for the only question asked when the Lords comes again!

–Elijah

Do you yet sin? If you do not it is because of Christ not the law. If you do...then why boast of a law you cannot keep?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Heb. 9
[4] Which had the golden censer, and the ark [of the covenant] overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the [tables of the covenant];
[5] And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly (but read on!)


Heb. 13

[20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the [everlasting covenant],

Neither the Mosaic covenant, nor the blood of that covenant, is the everlasting covenant. Those have been laid aside in favor of the one who is the everlasting covenant. If the Mosaic covenant and the blood used in that covenant were the everlasting covenant the author of Hebrews would not speak of it as passing away.

(Was the MERCY SEAT ABOVE EVERLASTING? AND THE ARK OF GOD? + THE ETERNAL COVENANT INSIDE OF THE ARK?? Even note Rev. 11:18-19’s time of the DEAD to be Judged, and the Ark of His Covenant is seen in the Temple!)

Don't you know who the ark of the covenant seen in heaven is?

It is interesting that the ones who want to destroy the Lords Eternal Law, actually only want to destroy the one that He wrote REMEMBER before. Exod. 20

You're terribly confused. You're equating eternal covenant with eternal law as if they are one and the same thing.

The church has not destroyed the Sabbath command. She fulfilled it when she placed her faith in the blood of the Eternal Covenant...that blood NOT being the blood of the Mosaic covenant, the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus Christ. We enter into God's commanded Sabbath Rest (Christ--the time and 'Day' of salvation) when we enter into the rest He gives to those who are burdened and heavy laden with the weight of guilt and the effort of self righteousness and are forever forgiven and brought near to him. Only those who enter into that rest can be in the Eternal Covenant and a part of the one fold. A literal Sabbath Day cannot do that. That's why the literal is laid aside as a means through which we enter into, and stay in covenant with God.

[8] Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. -----------------(and remember from where? Gen. 1-2’s Birthday of Creation Week! Psalms 135:13’s MEMORIAL!!)-----------------
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Christ, the lamb slain since, or from, the creation of the world is the hallowed Sabbath Rest appointed by God. You MUST enter into that Rest, or die. But a literal day of rest...that means nothing toward salvation. It was a picture and shadow of the true Sabbath Rest, Jesus Christ...He is the Day we enter into, as commanded, by trusting and believing in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. When we do that we are keeping the required Sabbath and will not be under the penalty of death for disobeying that command.

And this forth one is the last Commandment of the First Table of stone that covers WORSHIP to God FIRST, & the next six covers our duty to man. And satans attack?? Dan. 7:25 has only this REMEMBER one that most want to toss out. At least verbally & argument wise! In other words perhaps killing might still be thought bad, and to own up to the rest?? Perhaps not? But openly breaking these other nine are thought to be still bad, huh? (by a few!)

Correct. A literal Day of Rest counts nothing toward justification. It does not make, or show anyone to be righteous. Murder, theft, false testimony, worshiping other gods, etc. does show one to not have the righteous of Christ and, therefore, not saved and not belonging to the one true fold. The literal Sabbath does not prove anything in that regard. There's no reason to try to do that through that command. But you are certainly entitled to keep it for other reasons.

Heb. 10
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued [not in my covenant], and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; [[[I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts]] and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Now, since you know the passage so well, what part of the prophecy are you leaving out? Tell me then I will explain to you how that part teaches us that God does not write every jot and tittle of the Mosaic law on the heart of the believer. There was fault with the first (Mosaic) covenant. Do you know what it was? It was powerless to do something. What was that?

And again, His law finds the forth Remember Commandment removed by the Eternally ones to be! James 2

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (and their fate? see Obad. 1:16)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

See Eccl. 12:13-14 for the only question asked when the Lords comes again!

–Elijah

James is not telling us we have to keep every jot and tittle of the law (if you knew what the law was powerless to do you'd understand what parts of the law we don't have to keep anymore). James is explaining that to fulfill the law of love you must do everything that love demands. You can not call yourself a keeper of law if you violate any part of that law. In context we see he's saying to us that you can't show favoritism and think you're keeping the law of 'love your neighbor as yourself'. It's not a proof text to show that the entire law of Moses is still binding on the people of God. It's a text to show that you cannot both love and hurt people and still be regarded as a keeper of the royal law of love found in scripture 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

Don't miss the message of the passage. It's not a teaching to show us every jot and tittle of the law is still binding. It's a message to teach us that we have to keep all the laws of love, including 'show no favortism' (can't remember off the top of my head where that is in the law), to have fulfilled the law of love 'love your neighbor as yourself'. That is the true spiritual understanding of the passage.

 

[Elijah674]

Neither the Mosaic covenant, nor the blood of that covenant, is the everlasting covenant. Those have been laid aside in favor of the one who is the everlasting covenant. If the Mosaic covenant and the blood used in that covenant were the everlasting covenant the author of Hebrews would not speak of it as passing away.

Don't you know who the ark of the covenant seen in heaven is?

You're terribly confused. You're equating eternal covenant with eternal law as if they are one and the same thing.

The church has not destroyed the Sabbath command. She fulfilled it when she placed her faith in the blood of the Eternal Covenant...that blood NOT being the blood of the Mosaic covenant, the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus Christ. We enter into God's commanded Sabbath Rest (Christ--the time and 'Day' of salvation) when we enter into the rest He gives to those who are burdened and heavy laden with the weight of guilt and the effort of self righteousness and are forever forgiven and brought near to him. Only those who enter into that rest can be in the Eternal Covenant and a part of the one fold. A literal Sabbath Day cannot do that. That's why the literal is laid aside as a means through which we enter into, and stay in covenant with God.

Christ, the lamb slain since, or from, the creation of the world is the hallowed Sabbath Rest appointed by God. You MUST enter into that Rest, or die. But a literal day of rest...that means nothing toward salvation. It was a picture and shadow of the true Sabbath Rest, Jesus Christ...He is the Day we enter into, as commanded, by trusting and believing in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. When we do that we are keeping the required Sabbath and will not be under the penalty of death for disobeying that command.

Correct. A literal Day of Rest counts nothing toward justification. It does not make, or show anyone to be righteous. Murder, theft, false testimony, worshiping other gods, etc. does show one to not have the righteous of Christ and, therefore, not saved and not belonging to the one true fold. The literal Sabbath does not prove anything in that regard. There's no reason to try to do that through that command. But you are certainly entitled to keep it for other reasons.

Now, since you know the passage so well, what part of the prophecy are you leaving out? Tell me then I will explain to you how that part teaches us that God does not write every jot and tittle of the Mosaic law on the heart of the believer. There was fault with the first (Mosaic) covenant. Do you know what it was? It was powerless to do something. What was that?

James is not telling us we have to keep every jot and tittle of the law (if you knew what the law was powerless to do you'd understand what parts of the law we don't have to keep anymore). James is explaining that to fulfill the law of love you must do everything that love demands. You can not call yourself a keeper of law if you violate any part of that law. In context we see he's saying to us that you can't show favoritism and think you're keeping the law of 'love your neighbor as yourself'. It's not a proof text to show that the entire law of Moses is still binding on the people of God. It's a text to show that you cannot both love and hurt people and still be regarded as a keeper of the royal law of love found in scripture 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

Don't miss the message of the passage. It's not a teaching to show us every jot and tittle of the law is still binding. It's a message to teach us that we have to keep all the laws of love, including 'show no favortism' (can't remember off the top of my head where that is in the law), to have fulfilled the law of love 'love your neighbor as yourself'. That is the true spiritual understanding of the passage.

_____________

Your postings have for 'me' a definite 2 Cor. 4:2 & Titus 3:9-11 spiritual HIGHLITE! (if you know what 'i' mean?) Even the fallen angels fell from heaven
[[AFTER the Sin Against the Holy Ghost found the Eternal Covenant broken by them beyond repair!]]

AND THAT SURE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF MOSES BRAIN DEAD LAW STUFF!:robot:dead But was against the ETERNAL LAW OF THE GODHEADS UNIVERSE!

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Yet, here it comes over & over again with the posting not even being understood as the tempting of Christ by satan (lawyer) Matt. 22
[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

(and forum: where in the world can anything be found in the TWO TABLES of stone where Moses was even hinted at??)

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.

(The first Four are ones Duty to God)
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(The second are ones duty to His creation)

--Elijah

 

[Webb]

Dear Elijah674--I thought you said you didn't engage in foolish questions such as the one-on-one. The basic difference between the one-on-one and this thread is on this thread many may state their positions (and yes argue) but on the one-on-one only 2 persons are engaged. Again consistency is a rare jewell!

 

[Elijah674]

Let’s see, the Universe with the Godhead, allows a bunch of loose cannon’s running around with NO Law some teach. (satans stuff!) Of Dan. 7..

[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: ..’

And sin is Eternally DEFINED!And John who sure knew what the Doctrine was & penned a great number of Books of the Bible by Inspiration gave us what Sin Was! 1 John 3

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And there was a heavenly REBELLION! (without an Eternal Law??? Come on, WAKE UP!!)

Let see about this Rebellion? Regardless of who one wants to say was the REBEL, we surely can locate information enough to FIND THE ETERNAL COVENANT LAW THERE!

Eze. 28 (lets just skip around to the vital points, regardless of whom it is talking about, we find SIN DOCUMENTED IN HEAVEN! Where John understood a ROYAL LAW IS BROKEN!)

[11] Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
[12] Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared [[in thee in the day that thou wast created.]]

(notice that this being was created! and full of wisdom, & a solid musician it appears. Being created does not fit the King of Tyrus)

[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

(And sin is again!! DEFINED in 1 John 3:4 above! NO LAW, NO SIN .... GOT THAT??? Yet, in the Most Holy Place of Gods Temple, there is the Eternal Ark of the Godhead, with the Mercy Seat for it Covering, with Their Eternal Covenant Ten Commandments INSIDE OF IT! Rev. 11:19! And this Law will be our standard of Judgment. Eccl. 12:13-14 + James 2:12)

[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and [[[thou hast sinned]]]: therefore I will cast thee as profane [[[out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee,]]] O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[17] Thine heart was lifted up [[[because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness]]]: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
[18] Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
[19] All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. (Read Obad. 1:16 again!)

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And sin is Eternally DEFINED!And John who sure knew what the Doctrine was & penned a great number of Books of the Bible by Inspiration gave us what Sin Was! 1 John 3

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You keep thinking the verse says 'transgression of the law is sin', instead of what it actually says, "sin is transgression of the law." Do you see the difference and why you can't reverse it the way you are and think it is still true?

For example, even if the temple were still here it would no longer be a sin to not obey the law in regard to how and when to approach God. Thus the reason why you can't say that, categorically, transgression of the law is sin. Do you understand? If something is still sin in this New Covenant, then, 'yes', that sin would amount to 'transgression of the law'. And THAT is what John is saying. But to say all 'transgression of the law' is sin is simply not true in this New Covenant as I have demonstrated to you. Hopefully now you can see that reversing what John said is to make a statement that is untrue. But I gots the funny feeling you will continue to use it that way.

 

[Elijah674]

'i' find it clearly defined by Christ in His Words. Note Isa. 5 for the Lords Vineyard! Never mind the verse three of apostasy. It IS CHRISTS HOUSE! (ibid 7) Surely one KNOWS that no translation can undermine the LORDS VINEYARD, HOUSE, SANCTUARY, CHURCH, **CANDLESTICK! being the True Agape PATTERN for the [ONE TRUE CHURCH]!

OK: So what is the Problem is not hard to find in verse 3! It is not the Lords Eph. 4:5 [[ONE HOUSE]] and its doctrine's built to the EXACT SPECIFICATIONS of Heaven!!
First see verse 3 of Isa. 5 for man kinds[[BOTTOM/LINE PROBLEM]]!
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and [[my]] vineyard.

And Christ does not change! His one True Church has always been patterened from the HEAVENLY ONE! First in Exod. 25:8-9
[8] And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[9] According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Call it what you want? It is still the LORDS REQUIRED HOUSE! (Church Acts 7:38 )

And Heb. documents this for Eternal Truth! Heb.10:23-24
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

OK: The Matt. 10:5-6 finds these ex/called ones of that one True CHURCH [[LOST SHEEP!]] & verse 5-15 tells you this! They as a ex/Virgin Fold (Rev. 2:5) had their Candlestick removed. These ones REMOVED THE CENTERPIECE OF THE VINEYARD OF CHRISTS HOUSE, yet kept the EMPTY CHRIST/LESS HOUSE, but it is still [[CHRIST'S VIRGIN DOCTRINES.]] GOT THAT??? It takes BOTH TO BE IN CHRIST! Rom. 8:1

John 12:42-43 tell's the Universe this as was prophesied. And these were REAL BELIEVERS SEEN but with their free choice FATAL DECISION MADE!...

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

And what this True/Ex/Virgin HOUSE did, was that they chose satan [[OVER THE CHRIST OF THE HOUSE]]? Again Body, one is required to Be IN BOTH CHRIST + HIS VIRGIN HOUSE!

Even note Matt. 23 for Christ's Word & what the FATAL problem has always been as seen documented by Him (and that is not the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who have never had Christ's Virgin doctrines in the first place)

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And this is the only problem seen in Christ's VIRGIN HOUSE! And it is not His doctrine that was & is the problem, but that Christ was as is again REJECTED! Their love had become LUKEWARM & them came to be totally given up!
But we always see a VIRGIN DOCTRINE REMNANT from creation on who put Christ FIRST PLACE IN THEIR BORN AGAIN RECREATED LOVE FOR HIM! (from Gen. - Rev.'s END)

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And the Lord's Last 'HOUSE' (Church) [[IS IDENTIFIED]] IN THAT VERSE Friend! See Rev.3:10!

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

What are you going to do when you get to heaven and find more Roman Catholics than Seventh Day Adventists there, Elijah?

 

[Stormcrow]

I'll just add that I am seriously thinking of returning to Roman Catholicism because of so much "junk theology" I see practiced by Evangelicals and "Fundies." Having been baptised into the RCC as an infant (and having the records to prove it) means it won't be a difficult jump to make.

Quite frankly, I've found more love and acceptance from my Catholic friends than I ever have in the Protestant churches I've belonged to. Yeah, the RCC has some pretty whacked-out doctrine, too, but at least knowing the quality of the people there is generally better, I can probably deal with it.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

And the Lord's Last 'HOUSE' (Church) [[IS IDENTIFIED]] IN THAT VERSE Friend! See Rev.3:10!

Yes, friend, it is. And John does not leave us guessing what those means:

'Which keep the commandments of God':

" 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them." (1 John 3:23-24 NIV)


'have the testimony of Jesus Christ':

"It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; 11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." (1 John 5: NIV)

 

[Elijah674]

What are you going to do when you get to heaven and find more Roman Catholics than Seventh Day Adventists there, Elijah?

You miss the point of salvation completely as 'i' see it. One MUST HAVE CHRIST FIRST is I think agreed? Then it is REQUIRED to Lovingly Obey Him. Again.. to HAVE Christ finds us Born Again & LED Rom. 8:14 into ALL TRUTH! And you talk of whacky doctrine' (Catholic)

And in heaven you ask?? There will be NO one KNOWING TRUTH (again Rom. 8:14) and not living what they know to be truth, that will be in heaven! What more could God REQUIRE???

That is what 666 is ALL ABOUT, the TESTING END TRUTH! And that will be sun worship over God's 7th Day Sabbath REQUIREMENT. (as was the Eccl. 3:15 repeat was before they were to enter their land of Canaan.... tested on only one 7th Day Sabbath Commandment to PROVE THEM if they would keep them all. Ex. 16:4 & ibid 28 + verse 35.

Christ makes His REQUIREMENT simple, (REMEMBER WE AGREE THAT THESE ARE BORN AGAIN WITH TRUE AGAPE *LOVE FOR HIM) He says.. 'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS' and there is NO Doubt who these ones are as seen in the last day.
Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And the TESTIMONY of Christ has Laodicea SPEWED OUT. Rev. 3:16 is found in verse 9. + Rev. 17:1-5 have as all false doctrinal denominations a lost deal years ago. And yes, there were still sincere ones living according to their knowledge who are to be saved there, who have since died. But the denominations are now as are prophesied if one believes Christ?

The only ones then left?? are seen in verse 10 of Rev. 3 which is Phil.

And 7th Day Sabbath you ask about? Again over the years the only question that God requires of His creation was that they OBEY THE TRUTH THAT HE GAVE THEM. Any dieing living that Truth that they were convicted of regardless of even being these of Rom. 2:14-15 with the Law Writen in their heart while they only learned of, by Gods NATURE will be saved. But WE ARE NOT LIVING BACK THEN!! But in Dan. 12:1-4 & Hosea 4:6 time.
For me to claim Christ & not OBEY HIM??? (ALL OF HIS SANCTUARY DOCTRINES!) finds me in the Obad. 1:16 end time group.

--Elijah

PS: And there is NO way that I could be in membership with the SDA ones. But not because of their doctrines. And by the post it seems that we are at opposite ends on that. Can you follow that? Again, how could anyone have Christ without His DOCTRINE??? Check again Isa. 5:3 and see if you can see what the problem was there??

 

[Stormcrow]

You miss the point of salvation completely as 'i' see it. One MUST HAVE CHRIST FIRST

So are you suggesting that those in the Roman Catholic Church cannot be saved???

Check again Isa. 5:3 and see if you can see what the problem was there??

I know what the problem was there, and it's not what you keep suggesting it is.

 

[Elijah674]

So are you suggesting that those in the Roman Catholic Church cannot be saved???



I know what the problem was there, and it's not what you keep suggesting it is.

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Hey, GO BACK & RE/READ WHAT I HAVE POSTED!! 'i' talk pretty STRAIGHT!
One more time.. now pay attention to the print.

The Roman church + hers daughters are exactly as God said in Rev. 17:1-5. And anyone yoked IN their membership (with known false doctrines) are Rev. 18:4 PARTAKERS!
OK: Now for your posting question, [[GOD SAYS TO COME OUT OF HER **MY PEOPLE**.]] Note His CALL again...

Rev. 18
[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the [[[earth was lightened with his glory]]].
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For [[all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication]], and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, [[my people]], that [[ye be not partakers of her sins,]] and that ye receive not of her plagues.

OK: The earth being lighted with God's Glory is as Peter tells of in Acts 3:19 Read it slowly! There are several Truths seen there! If you want some comment on that, just say so.

Acts 3
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

But back to your question of my post. All that anyone can be accountable for is what the Holy Spirit CONVICTS one of. Yet when He does so, we ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO BE LED! [[[OUT, or become LOST PARTAKERS.]]] Got that??
It is not 'individuals' but the DENOMINATIONS who are Christless if one BELIEVER Josh. 7:12 last part pf the verse from [GOD]??
'.... neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.'
And this includes any known false doctrine that is taught for truth! Rev. 22:18-19's verses!

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

The Roman church + hers daughters are exactly as God said in Rev. 17:1-5.

The woman of Revelation 17 is apostate Israel of the first century, NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!

What is it about futurist eschatology that turns Christians against each other??? 2

 

[Elijah674]

The woman of Revelation 17 is apostate Israel of the first century, NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!

What is it about futurist eschatology that turns Christians against each other??? 2

Hey, 'i' spiritually love ya, and 'honestly' smile at this post! (but you need some 'REAL FOOD! Matt. 4:4)

First off, Dan. 2 + Dan. 7 + Rev. 13 has all of the World Governments of earth seen. And then as Dan. has it with no more world kingdoms after Romes (satanic) try! Next?? Came Dan. 2
[43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
[45] Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. (that is for certain!)

Dan. 7 has a little more of the same Truth using beasts instead of metals. But even note their $ worth & now animal powers as time went on, and decreasing!
[1] In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
[2] Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
[3] And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
[4] The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
[5] And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
[6] After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
[7] After this I saw in the night visions, and [[behold a fourth beast,]] dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

(let just stick to the prophecy!;) You can check out your Eccl. 3:15 repeats told here long before it came to pass as told here! Such as the worlds dark ages + satans garbage can of false doctrinal worms! Yet, note again what God say happenes!)

[9] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and [[the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire]].

Rev. 13 finds just the four world empires with John looking backwards and the 'time period' + [when was Israel ever a World Empire & ALL of the World wondering after the BEAST GOVERMENT??] One has to be joking with that thought! (and the seat of Catholicism is ROME-small, yet is worldwide in blasphemy... according to her whordoms) Do you remember Paul through Inspiration documenting that the 'mystery of iniquity doth already work' in his day?? Who did old Israel need power from to Execute Christ, the ROMAN POWER of satan!

Rev. 13
[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was [like unto a leopard], and his feet were as the feet of [a bear,] and his mouth [as the mouth of a lion]: and the [dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority].
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This is a little more truth from the same as seen in Dan. 2 + & with John as was said, again looking Eccl. 3:15 backwards. And Dan. 2 + 7 has Christ's SECOND COMING a very short span in this Last Generation living in it! Yes, you can use Matt. 24:21 on to find mankinds 'SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS' from there on! No Born Again one will be caught in that TRAP of satan's hopefully?

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

(but you need some 'REAL FOOD! Matt. 4:4)

Please don't presume to tell me what I need. The symbolism of Revelation 17 couldn't be clearer, and it has nothing to do with the RCC:

judgment of the great harlot Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

Is a direct allusion to the idolatry of Israel, Judah, and Jerusalem:

How the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers. Isaiah 1:21 (NASB)

"For long ago I broke your [Judah's] yoke And tore off your bonds; But you said, 'I will not serve!' For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot. Jeremiah 2:20 (NASB)

While Israel remained at ****tim, the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. Numbers 25:1 (NASB)

The allusion to harlotry in Revelation 17:1 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church!

who sits on many waters Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

This is a direct reference to the prophecy of Balaam, which he spoke over the camp of Israel:

How fair are your tents, O Jacob, Your dwellings, O Israel! "Like valleys that stretch out, Like gardens beside the river, Like aloes planted by the LORD, Like cedars beside the waters. "Water will flow from his buckets, And his seed will be by many waters, And his king shall be higher than Agag, And his kingdom shall be exalted. Numbers 24:5-7 (NASB)

By the time John wrote Revelation, Israel was scattered throughout the entire known world!

James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings. James 1:1 (NASB)

Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5 (NASB)

Again, Revelation 17 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church!

In verse 1 alone we see to whom this chapter is directed, and John continues the use of these references throughout the chapter! I could go on, but really: why bother?

Most people aren't interested in sound exegesis. They just want their itching ears tickled.

 

[Elijah674]

Please don't presume to tell me what I need. The symbolism of Revelation 17 couldn't be clearer, and it has nothing to do with the RCC:

judgment of the great harlot Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

Is a direct allusion to the idolatry of Israel, Judah, and Jerusalem:

How the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers. Isaiah 1:21 (NASB)

"For long ago I broke your [Judah's] yoke And tore off your bonds; But you said, 'I will not serve!' For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot. Jeremiah 2:20 (NASB)

While Israel remained at ****tim, the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. Numbers 25:1 (NASB)

The allusion to harlotry in Revelation 17:1 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church!

who sits on many waters Revelation 17:1 (NASB)

This is a direct reference to the prophecy of Balaam, which he spoke over the camp of Israel:

How fair are your tents, O Jacob, Your dwellings, O Israel! "Like valleys that stretch out, Like gardens beside the river, Like aloes planted by the LORD, Like cedars beside the waters. "Water will flow from his buckets, And his seed will be by many waters, And his king shall be higher than Agag, And his kingdom shall be exalted. Numbers 24:5-7 (NASB)

By the time John wrote Revelation, Israel was scattered throughout the entire known world!

James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings. James 1:1 (NASB)

Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5 (NASB)

Again, Revelation 17 has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church!

In verse 1 alone we see to whom this chapter is directed, and John continues the use of these references throughout the chapter! I could go on, but really: why bother?

Most people aren't interested in sound exegesis. They just want their itching ears tickled.

OK, will do. We will see if I can remember you [NAME] this time?? Titus 3:9-11 works for me also.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Elijah, the fundamental problem with your doctrine is you think a person is justified by keeping the Sabbath Command. You changed the whole gospel into a misguided emphasis on a single command, the Sabbath command and you use it as the measure of salvation. This is completely contrary to what Paul teaches us in the Bible:

4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith..." (Galatians 5:4-6 NIV)

What kind of faith counts towards justification? The faith to be circumcised? The faith to keep a Sabbath command? Faith that keeps any of the ceremonial worship commands of the law? No. The faith that justifies is faith...

"...expressing itself through love."

And Paul tells us plainly this love is love for each other:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.(Galatians 5:13-15 NIV)


...and he even helps us see what that love doesn't look like, and what it does look like in practice:

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control." (Galatians 5:19-23 NIV)


The fruit of the Spirit is is how we know we belong to the true fold of God's sheep and whether or not we are prepared to enter into the Judgment. Sabbath keeping is NOT how we know that. The presence of the new creation is the signifying mark of the true believer, not the obedience to old covenant worship requirements.

"14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision (the very epitome of law keeping) means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule..." (Gal. 6:14-16 NIV parenthesis mine)

The new creation is the assurance of our place in the one, true fold of God's sheep. We are to strive to manifest that new creation through the fruit of the Spirit so that we can be assured that we really do believe and that we are prepared for the Day of Judgment. If anyone is trusting in the performance of a Sabbath day, or circumcision, etc. for justification as a true believer in Christ they are trusting in the wrong thing.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: One True 'Fold' ONLY??

Elijah, the fundamental problem with your doctrine is you think a person is justified by keeping the Sabbath Command. You changed the whole gospel into a misguided emphasis on a single command, the Sabbath command and you use it as the measure of salvation. This is completely contrary to what Paul teaches us in the Bible:

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Elijah: One post says this above. And to that Kid, 'i' am old enough to be your grand/daddy. I have posted on this site & others for about as long as most here have been around here.

I have preached many sermons from the north to the south, & been on several radio stations. (even preached in protestant churchs)

OK: Here is the point!! [[You say]]--->>> the fundamental problem with your doctrine is you think a person is justified by keeping the Sabbath Command.
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And I say, NEVER IN MY LONG LIFE have I ever even hinted to such a OPEN/BARE/FACED/ FALSE HOOD!
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And there is just NO way to carry on with some of you today's young'ins. Titus 3:9-11. You read but just can't see, or you read & fully see & instead of being truthful,(?) I see 2 Cor. 4:2 being mutilated!! And surely you cannot be told anything!

So as with another, until you can READ STRAIGHT, (or whatever the problem is) 'i' have nothing further to say to you!:waving

--Elijah

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