I'm with Grubals comments re HisSheeps following quotes:
1. "That sounds nice, but like the assertion that "God doesn't play favorites", it is wholly unscriptural."
Sorry HisSheep but that's not what the Bible says in a couple of places:
Rom2:1111 For there is no partiality with God.
Coll3:25 25 But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality.
Saltwater, you must know better than this…
Romans 2:11 in NO WAY means that all men have equal access to salvation. This verse in no way can be taken to mean that WE choose our eternal destiny. It is a passage specifically discussing whether God favors Jews or Gentiles in the matter of salvation… Paul had to do a lot of that. Here is the verse again including the previous verse which keeps it in context:
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:10-11)
This says that God doest not limit salvation to those of certain ethnicities. This verse is a LOT like
Romans 10:12 or
Gal 3:28. And the verses are all absolutely true; the elect are of every tongue and nation.
You also have used
Colossians 3:25 out of context. God has determined the salvation of all men before the Earth was made; (I don’t need to quote all the verses; just look up “chosen” and “elect” in a concordance.) This verse does not invalidate that basic bible fact.
Colossians 3:25 is the final phrase in a long list of Christian behaviors; submit to your husbands, love your wives, obey your parents, obey the boss, then Paul wraps up this list by saying:
24Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
25But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. (Colossians 3:24-25)
Basically God (through Paul) is saying to Christians, (those already faithful) "Vengeance is mine". He has just laid down a few rules of behavior that may well bring tough times upon the Christian. He is reminding the Christian that they are serving God, not the boss, they are obeying God, not their husband… and that they will receive their reward (inheritance) while mean people will receive their punishment from God
no matter who they are…
To make
verse 25 stand alone as a refutation of sovereign election is just wrong. Plus, if we insist on that interpretation, then we must give up the one I just described. :shocked! Plus, plus, we cannot disconnect
verse 25 from the rest of the chapter.
2. "If the Holy Spirit worked on the Hearts of all men, then all men would believe."
Nice premise which needs to be tested by the Bible. Uh oh Acts 13:46 ruins the above comment. "v44On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said,; It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life,[/B] behold, we turn to the Gentiles." NKJV
I’m not sure how this ties in… I think you must mean the “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first” part… right…?
My premise is called God's sovereignty. God Himself sums it up like this:
11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. (Isaiah 55:11)
He does EXACTLY as He pleases. He gets His every whim.
Next point... This passage you cite from Acts cannot be taken to mean that everyone gets an equal chance at salvation and they must deny Christ in order to be damned. No it can’t.
These verses are a direct and deliberate fulfillment of
Isaiah 42:6. No theologan denies this; Arminian or Calvinist. Read up on what your favorite theologan says about it. You see, it “was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to” them first because God was fulfilling yet another OT promise, and a number of people believed as a result of that fulfillment... How many, you ask? That answer is found in verse 48. Read
verse 46 along with the two following verses for proper context :
46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. (Acts 13:46-48)
Bonus question!…. How many believed as a result of the fulfillment of
Isaiah 42:6? That’s right, “as many as were ordained to eternal life”… What does an Arminian make of this?
Please answer….
Second of all, as I have said many times, there are people dying every day who have never heard about Jesus. How do we explain this? Do those people get a special chance after they die? Do they get to be reincarnated to try again? Are the faithful responsible for the damnation of the lost, because we “failed to reach them”?
Please answer this dichotomy with scripture.
Sorry HisSheep but I'll go with the Bible rather than your comments. Suggest you have a look at Arminian theology & see if you can fault it on this subject.
My comments corellate with the bible. Please DO go with what the bible says... but one must keep the bible in context. I have refuted Arminian theology in this very post. Should anyone care to carefully and honestly read this, they will see that. I was raised on Arminianism. It’s junk. It describes a god who is only a weak effigy of the God of the bible.
-HisSheep