Oooookay I get it now... Muslims are BAD

[Adams son]

1. The first rule of thumb is that we should all agree that the Muslims are the bad guys.

Okay have we got that settled? Okay good.

2. The second rule of thumb is that we should mispresent the facts about Muslims. For example, let us point fingers at their crusades and forget about ours. No amount of hypocrisy should be spared in mispresenting them.

I am glad we can all agree on that one.

Okay, let's move on.

3. Don't tell anyone that the Semitic word Allah is essentially the same word as the Semitic word Eloah, the OT word for God.

Shhhhh. Never let ANYONE know about this. It just doesn't look good. It sorta throws a kink into the ole "their God is not our God" preaching we do.

4. Okay, we must also forget that things we find strange among us that they might do in Islam are nowhere found in the Bible. Let us forget about those verses in our own Bibles which deny men who have crushed testicles, God ordering infants to be slaughtered during invasions, and that God wants adulterous women stoned to death. Make sure that you point out the weird sounding things in Islam that sound this bad but never ever mention the things in our Bibles that sound bad like this. That just won't work that good because remember, our object is to destroy Islam. "Let us do evil that good may result." Make that your rule here.

5. Next let us pretend the Jews are good guys even though they do not believe in a Triune God. But at all times acknowledge that the Muslims are bad buys because they do not believe in a Triune God.

I am soliciting suggestions here for more ideas. Any there other evil and manipulative things we can do concering Muslims? Let's rack em up and pile it high. What other kind of sneaky underhanded things can we do in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[serapha]

Hi there!

:smt039




You are, of course, entitled to your opinion....


I don't share your opinion...

3. Don't tell anyone that the Semitic word Allah is essentially the same word as the Semitic word Eloah, the OT word for God.

"essentially the same word"


That's an interesting way to put it....

Any there other evil and manipulative things we can do concering Muslims? Let's rack em up and pile it high.

I'll pray... will that be evil and manipulative enough?



~serapha~

 

[Sara929]

I'll pray... will that be evil and manipulative enough?
~serapha~

:smt058 :smt023

 

[Adams son]

3. Don't tell anyone that the Semitic word Allah is essentially the same word as the Semitic word Eloah, the OT word for God.

"essentially the same word"


That's an interesting way to put it....

Do your homework serpha.

International Bible Encyclopedia

El: "In the group of Semitic languages, the most common word for Deity is El ('el), represented by the Babylonian ilu and the Arabic 'Allah. It is found throughout the Old Testament, but more often in Job and Psalms than in all the other books. It occurs seldom in the historical books, and not at all in Leviticus. The same variety of derivations is attributed to it as to elohim, most probable of which is 'ul, "to be strong." BDB interprets 'ul as meaning "to be in front," from which came 'ayil, "ram" the one in front of the flock, and 'elah, the prominent "terebinth," deriving ['El] from 'alah, "to be strong." It occurs in many of the more ancient names; and, like ['Elohim], it is used of pagan gods. It is frequently combined with nouns or adjectives to express the Divine name with reference to particular attributes or phases of His being, as 'El `Elyon, 'El-Ro'i, etc."


No vowels remember serpha?

 

[huj05]

when will people understand!!

all religion is basically the same. just diffrent groups twist it in diffrent directions.

it is like evolution.

there once was one religion, then people moved away and had to adapt. when they noticed there religion was wrong, they changed it. and eventually, it looks like a bunhc of diffrent religions.

 

[serapha]

3. Don't tell anyone that the Semitic word Allah is essentially the same word as the Semitic word Eloah, the OT word for God.

"essentially the same word"


That's an interesting way to put it....

Do your homework serpha.

International Bible Encyclopedia

El: "In the group of Semitic languages, the most common word for Deity is El ('el), represented by the Babylonian ilu and the Arabic 'Allah. It is found throughout the Old Testament, but more often in Job and Psalms than in all the other books. It occurs seldom in the historical books, and not at all in Leviticus. The same variety of derivations is attributed to it as to elohim, most probable of which is 'ul, "to be strong." BDB interprets 'ul as meaning "to be in front," from which came 'ayil, "ram" the one in front of the flock, and 'elah, the prominent "terebinth," deriving ['El] from 'alah, "to be strong." It occurs in many of the more ancient names; and, like ['Elohim], it is used of pagan gods. It is frequently combined with nouns or adjectives to express the Divine name with reference to particular attributes or phases of His being, as 'El `Elyon, 'El-Ro'i, etc."


No vowels remember serpha?

HI there!

:smt039

Interestingly enough, a muslim gave me a book a couple of weeks ago to read and learn about Islam...

It says...

"Allah, the God of Islam, is the same Jehovah, Elohim, of Judaism and Christianity. The God of Islam and the Quran is the same omniscient, omnipresent, creator God of the Bible" (More in Common than You Think, Bill Baker)


Should I tell my muslim friend that Jehovah is Jesus? That Allah is both God the Father and God the Son? Do you think it will fly?

"el" is god... little "g" as well as "G" ... big "G"... kind of a generic word that has been transliterated across the entire Levant... Baal, El, Il, variations of professed deities...

You certainly must know that "el" was combined with other words to find the nature of their god... and the nature of Allah and the nature of Elohim aren't the same, are they? and the nature of Allah and the nature of Jehovah aren't the same either, are they?



<<still thinking that prayer is much needed here>>


~serapha~

 

[Free]

So what is your point Adams son? Do you think Islam is right? Closer or farther to the truth than Christianity? Closer or farther to the truth than you?

 

[Adams son]

So what is your point Adams son? Do you think Islam is right? Closer or farther to the truth than Christianity? Closer or farther to the truth than you?

My point is that it is disgusting and shameful to use evil ways to try and denounce Islam and promote Christianity.

 

[serapha]

Hi there!


I'm going to call you on this one. :-D


You are using "evil ways" on other forums here to demean Christianity.


Me thinks you are here to stir the pot... no matter what's cooking :wink:


~serapha~

 

[evanman]

Yes, all moslems ARE "bad", but for that matter, ALL mankind is basically "Bad".

It is for this that Jesus Christ came and gave himself as a sacrifice for sin!

Sadly Islam denighs this to be true.

The essential and fundemental doctrines of the Christian Faith are rejected by all moslems because Islam itself rejects these things.

We can all try to get nearer to each other but this gap between The Holy Bible and Islam cannot be bridged.

This goes for all religious beliefs too.

Unless a man be converted and become as a child he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Unless a person repent and turn to Jesus Christ they cannot come to the Father.

 

[Adams son]

Well then!!!

"Let us do evil that good may result!"

 

[Free]

Adams son,

Do you think Islam is right? Closer or farther to the truth than Christianity? Closer or farther to the truth than you?

How about these questions?

 

[DivineNames]

2. The second rule of thumb is that we should mispresent the facts about Muslims. For example, let us point fingers at their crusades and forget about ours. No amount of hypocrisy should be spared in mispresenting them.

I have seen many Christians acknowledge the atrocities that have been done in the name of Christianity. I don't see them denying that kind of thing.

 

[Adams son]

2. The second rule of thumb is that we should mispresent the facts about Muslims. For example, let us point fingers at their crusades and forget about ours. No amount of hypocrisy should be spared in mispresenting them.

I have seen many Christians acknowledge the atrocities that have been done in the name of Christianity. I don't see them denying that kind of thing.

It is blatant hypocrisy to point your finger at someone else when you are guilty of the same thing.

 

[Heidi]

The difference, Adam'son, is that when Christians kill they are DISOBEYING Christ. But when Muslims kill, they are OBEYING allah. And that's what makes them sacry. They are human beings who are no better or worse than the rest of us. They are simply lost.

 

[Muhsen]

No this is not true

Allah Almighty has forbid killing, even for non-believer without a just cause:

17:33. And do not kill anyone which Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islâmic law).

6:151. Say (O Muhammad ): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.


[Al-nissa:93]
If a man kills a Believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (forever): and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

So if Muslim kills somebody without a just cause he will not consider obeying God and he will be sinner and God will throw him in the hell fire.

But did Jesus tell you to kill people in Palestine and Iraq and other country?

He did not!!

 

[Heidi]

Your post verifies my point. Mushen. 17:33, says it all. Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for them. But allah tells you to kill if it's a just cause. So what is a just cause, Mushen? Just a guess? Why does allah think that SOME killing is okay and other killing is not? That sounds like a a god divided against itself. Murder comes from the devil. And this is precisly why Muslims feel PROUD to kill others and kill oneself. They are doing this to honor allah, is that not true? Again, Christians who kill are DISOBEYING Christ but Muslims are OEBYING allah and this is what makes them dangerous. Murder comes from the devil and love comes from God. This ALONE should tell you you're worshipping the wrong God. I'd much rather put my trust in some who DIED to save MY life, even though I don't deserve it, than to trust a man who would take my life if he thinks it's a just cause. Again, even children know who is more trustworthy!

 

[Imagican]

Come on guys. While I will certainly agree that the muslim world should be allowed peace in their following their God without the interference of our power or beliefs this doesn't change their doctrine. Much like the crusades of the Catholic Church of the past their ideas of dominion are WRONG. They don't have a Bible per se but the Koran teaches only love for those that follow Allah. ALL OTHERS are infidels. Infidels are lower than dogs in their teachings and are to be treated as such. Convert or die is our only option according to their teachings.

All the liberal wimps that defend this evil doctrine are not to be admonished but spurned by anyone that has the ability to discern the 'truth'. We are to love our brothers and sisters but hate the evil that they do. Until the primitive beliefs of these people are brought up to date then we should certainly not defend them or any others that teach their children to hate or despise others.

The truth of this matter or the ultimate answer to it would be:
America has absolutely NO RIGHT to determine the religious or political fate of these countries. The MAIN reason for terrorism is our governments interference in these peoples world in it's never-ending quest for cheap oil.
Ben Laden's attack against America was intended to open the eyes of Americans and force them to control their government. The people in that part of the world hold us as free voting citizens responsible for what our government does. We vote them into office therefore we are responsible for their policy. I know this isn't entirely true in our political environment but that's how those people see it. People like Ben Laden understand that they are not strong enough to fight the US military and win so they choose terrorism as a means to enlighten us, (the civilians).

How would you feel if you came home one day and found your home to no longer exist and in it's place just a huge hole in the ground. Looking for your family you find their body parts hanging from a tree across the street. Then you find out that the enemy of your country had used American missles to attack your home. American missles sold, (or given), to your enemies because your enemies promised them cheaper oil. And American being perfectly aware of what the enemy would do with these weapons turned it's back on this slaughter of innocents all in the name of democracy and cheap oil. This scenario has played over and over in that part of the world and those like Ben Laden see it perfectly clearly. Our media certainly paints a different picture but the truth is the truth and it's perfectly clear to any that choose to see it.

These people have followed similar political and religious traditions for thousands of years. Iraq is ancient Babylon. They have been in existence for thousands of years yet we, (a mere three hundred year old country), think that we know what's best for them. These people realize that with political freedom comes individual freedom and with individual freedom comes freedom of choice. With freedom of choice comes sin and they are not willing to allow the complete distruction of their religion. They know and understand that the only way that adherence to religion is possible is through the Law. There is no room in their religion for personal freedom. These countries are mostly poor. Yes the rich would love freedom. Rich people don't need religion. But the poor realize that to allow democracy in their political system would bring about a laxity in their following of Islam and it's eventual destruction. They have America as a perfect example of democracy. Look at the religious state of this country and you will quickly understand why they don't want this for theirs.

They should be left alone. Our government should have taken proper steps years ago to wean us off our dependency upon foriegn oil. They didn't so now others have to pay the price? This is wrong. If it is right, then we should return to the complete Imperealist type nation that Britain once was and just use our military might to conquer the entire world. Otherwise it's time for the American people to stand up for what's right and let our government know that we no longer support the manipulation of others in our quest for cheap oil and labor.

 

[Qasim786]

"Your post verifies my point. Mushen. 17:33, says it all. Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for them. But allah tells you to kill if it's a just cause. So what is a just cause, Mushen? Just a guess? Why does allah think that SOME killing is okay and other killing is not? That sounds like a a god divided against itself. Murder comes from the devil. And this is precisly why Muslims feel PROUD to kill others and kill oneself. They are doing this to honor allah, is that not true? Again, Christians who kill are DISOBEYING Christ but Muslims are OEBYING allah and this is what makes them dangerous. Murder comes from the devil and love comes from God. This ALONE should tell you you're worshipping the wrong God. I'd much rather put my trust in some who DIED to save MY life, even though I don't deserve it, than to trust a man who would take my life if he thinks it's a just cause. Again, even children know who is more trustworthy!"

Oh for Goodness sake when are people going to learn. Islam does not allow killing of anyone unless it be in a war, or a punishment for something they did, for example murder or rape. The reasons why Muslims feel they can kill themselves is because they ARE NOT following Islam. They are infact disobeying Allah. Infact, they are not really killing in the name of Islam. They are killing for political and social reasons. When you get an emotional bunch together and tell them God allows them to kill, they will be willing to kill anyone, whether it be for God or not for God. This is absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam. Everyone knows that it is just a minority of extremists who seek for political gains. But even then most of those that you label as terrorists are merely fighting for thier freedom. The palestinians are fighting from the oppression of Israelies, the Iraqis are defending themselves against the occupied forces. I agree it is the wrong way to go about things but what can they do.

Also you say we worship the wrong God. So there more than one God then. I worship the one and Only creator and cherisher and sustainer of the Universe. He is above his creation, and he has a right to tell me how to live my life. I dont worship Muhammed or Jesus or Moses, but i worship the being that created them. As Jesus said 'the father in heaven'. No one is responsible for my sin, and noone can pay the price for it. Im responsible for myself. If i sin, i ask for God to forgive me. Every soul carries its own burdens. That is the whole point of this world, to purify our hearts and souls. We do this by repenting and asking for forgiveness constantly, this keeps us aware of our creator.

 

[DivineNames]

the Iraqis are defending themselves against the occupied forces. I agree it is the wrong way to go about things but what can they do.

Be patient until the occupying forces go away?

Insurgency makes the country unstable, that can only increase the length of time that the country is under occupation.