"But saying new ideas started to arise....is saying God hadn't worked out everything...which is wrong...God know everything...Some people believe God can abrogate and contradict His own laws. But he cannot...It is impossible for God to Lie or do or get anything wrong......people do...yes."
Qasim said:Yes God Knew everything, he is the all-knowing, and he knows what we dont. God only allows what he wills to happen. What your trying to say is that when God delivered his message through prophets to guide people to the straight way, that the people always follow and keep to the straight path, but that is not true otherwise all the other prophets before Jesus who came with the same purpose would not have been required.
"So are you saying God didn't know these new ideas would arise...???
When he sent Jesus down....God knows all... "
Qasim said:Of course he knew, thats why God sent the Prophet Muhammed, to tell the world the truth about sin, righteousness and jugdement, as Jesus outlined about the comforter in John:16. If you cant to know more about about Muhammed in the bible, go here:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIB/
Check out especially Paraclete like Jesus part one and Two, and make your mind us for yourself.
"I'm sorry you either have to believe God accounts for everything...and is always right and this was planned for.....or God did something wrong in his planning..."
Qasim said:Oh what a comparison lol, that God either planned it to happen, or that he went wrong in his planning. God is always right, but humans are not. God sent prophets to every nation, guiding them to the straight path, but sooner or later, people rebelled. Now you cant blame God and say well God misplanned something. God allowed what he willed to happen, thats why the need arose for prophets to be sent. How many prophets were the Jews sent, one nation, what was the need. Because they rejected many, and were a hard-hearted nation.
"How can anyone who believes in God say he wouldn't have known about the Holy Trinity...resurrection of Jesus...etc.... "
Qasim said:As i already said he knew about it, but my question is why is that the Old Testament doesnt teach that Jesus will come to atone the sins of mankind, or why doesnt it teach that God can be found in three persons, the Father the son and the Holy Spirit. What the Old testament teaches is that the 'son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, niether shall the father bear the iniquity (sin) of the son, the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him, and the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him' (cant remember ref.) meaning each and every person bears his own responsibility, his own sin, that is the universal message of God. So now your telling me that God changes this and that we do not bear our own sin, but that Jesus bears our sin, which goes against the Old Testament.
"God would have known...and this reasons alone tells us we have the Holy Trinity and the resurrection because...that is what happened..and that is what God wanted us to know."
Qasim said:Maybe God did want you to know about these things, but God gave you freewill to choose which path to go on.
"God gave us his only son who died for our sins that we may be spared death. "
But why does a man need to die for me to save me? Or better yet why does God have to die to save me, as you say? God has given me freewill, to choose between right and wrong. Why cant i bear my own burden like the Old Testament teaches. It doesnt seem logical to me that God would send himself down to Earth and kill himself to pay for our sins. That is not why God created us. He created us to purify our hearts and souls in this life, by struggling and striving to get to the next, never ending life. If we sin, we know that God is thier and we can ask him to forgive us, because God is always listening. That is the way to salvation by repenting for what we do wrong. This is why God is so merciful because he will forgive us for anything, as long as we repent with our hearts and acknowledge our mistakes.
"Gods Law from the beginning of Adam and Eve.... says we must die for our sins...God's love for us has provided a way to punish sin, without punishing the sinners..us "
Qasim said:Where does the Old Testament teach that we must die for our sins, or that someone else must die for our sins? On the contrary, it teaches that we taught that what we do wrong, we pay for, and what we do right we get rewarded. Each person is responsible for himself. Ask the Jew he will tell you the same about his book.
"He used Jesus ..Jesus was used as a human sacrifice because of man......else according to God...everyone would die for their sins...there is no other way out! Jesus took all our sins away...when he died his earthly death.....this way we can repent for our sins to God follow his laws and still be saved...Though many do not do this...of course and will not be saved..But that is freewill! "
Qasim said:But then why do we need to repent if our sins have already been paid for as you say. I thought for Christians it was more about accepting rather than repenting, because of what you believe about Jesus having paid for everyone sins. So do you accept that to be saved, we must repent for our sins, and follow Gods laws, to be saved. Thank you, i agree. I follow the laws of all the prophets, of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, and Muhammed (peace be upon them all).
"Jesus sacrifice was 2000 years after Abrahams' offering of Isaac on Mount Moriah, it is almost parallel to Gods offering up of his Son on the cross for us.
Abraham and Isaac go on a three-day journey. The same that God and his son Jesus... Their destination was Mount Moriahâ€â€near the spot where Jesus would be crucified on a cross...But to spare Isaacs' life. God provided a ram instead..a male sacrificial lamb, Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket (thorns) by his horns...
Doesn't Jesus' sacrifice sound kind of like Abrahams'...offering of his son..to God."
Qasim said:No not really, but that is the opinion that i as a Muslim hold. God was testing abraham to see whether he would put his faith and trust in God, and also his son, who we believe willingly accepted what God had asked Abraham to do, he submitted himself to Gods will. But God stopped Abraham at the critical moment, because he had passed the test, and it showed that Abraham, and his son were strong in faith to God and had both Submitted.
"I believe this was Gods plan from the beginning.... that Jesus his son.....would be sacrificed for us...How else was our sins going to be washed away..when God does not change his law.. "
Qasim said:I dont quite understand, you say it was Gods plan from the beginning, but it obviously wasnt, because what happened to all those who lived before the time of Jesus, how were they saved. The answer is that they repented for thier mistakes and followed the laws of God, which is something that does not change, it is universal. I agree God does not change the fundamental laws, that we should worship him and him alone, and that we should put our trust and faith in him. He may change certain prohibitions of permissions according to the people, but overall his laws stay the same.
"Following Jesus was following peace...turning the other cheek...putting God above all else...loving they neighbor and enemy as thy self...What are the faults in those teachings?........so why would God change the whole religion of Christianity...?"
Qasim said:They were all beautiful teachings, but i think they were specific, for a certain time period, not to say that this should not be still applied today, but they were meant specifically for the Jews who had become very unforgiving, and taken the law of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth literally. They had forgotten that you could also forgive someone, if they were sorry with thier hearts. Also turning the other cheek is specific, because if someone punched you on your jaw, you wouldnt turn around and say, punch me on this side now. It all depends o situation, which is why i say, that these things are specific, but the overall fundamental laws of God to not change. Also if you say that Gods laws do not change then why would God have said to the Children of Israel 'an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth', this is because it was specific, for a certain time period for the Jews, but by the time Jesus came the circumstances had changed and this law did not really apply. I still believe that God does not change his fundamental laws but that, certain specific things may change according to the time and needs of the people. However i believe that the final message is compatible for all times, and thier is no new faith or prophet to arise after Islam. That is why Muhammed was the seal of the prophets, he was the last one to come, and so his message has to be univerally compatible.
