Operation Iron Snare

[jasoncran]

Policemen are doing God's work, there's no doubt about that. Are they performing their jobs lawfully? I don't see it happening if they are. In fact, when the police are trained to lie that isn't a good thing because lies, and liars, have always, and will always, get out of control if they go on unchecked.



People are more wicked than ever nowadays, and insanity is everywhere, even in the police departments.Everywhere you look you've got people who don't seem to care where they spend eternity, and some even joke about it. People look at sin as an oportunity, and not as a temptation like they ought to. No, sin has become an answer to problems, i.e. the police lies. Sin has also become an opportunity for one's pleasure, i.e. television, movies, books, music, etc.


Take a look at the suicide rates among policemen. You've got to know that those cops didn't give up hope because they had Jesus Christ in their hearts and lives. No, they abandoned all hope and took their own lives, raging insanity, right in the police departments, and no officer is immune.

so christians dont get depressed? really we dont have ptsd and psychosis? we are joyous when relatives die? we dont miss kids when they die before their time.

i am sorry what fantasy world do you live in., great men of God , were depressed and some wanted to die. moses, elijah,jeramiah.

i have had ptsd, and some members here are afflicted with illness here and may have contemplated suicide.

i cant speak of the all the stress that a cop goes through but as a vet i can relate to some of it. being under fear all the time will cause you some issues. with cops a simple traffic stop may be his last.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I guess that's why God came down so hard on Rahab for lying to the Jericho defenders about where the Israelite spies were.

I guess that lies, and liars, need to be kept in check. I also guess that the police haven't been kept in check, that's why they are so corrupted here in these last days.


It isn't hard to understand.

 

[ronniechoate34]

so christians dont get depressed? really we dont have ptsd and psychosis? we are joyous when relatives die? we dont miss kids when they die before their time.

i am sorry what fantasy world do you live in., great men of God , were depressed and some wanted to die. moses, elijah,jeramiah.

i have had ptsd, and some members here are afflicted with illness here and may have contemplated suicide.

i cant speak of the all the stress that a cop goes through but as a vet i can relate to some of it. being under fear all the time will cause you some issues. with cops a simple traffic stop may be his last.

Suicides don't have Christ, they go to hell. I did not say that Christians never get depressed, but none are saved until they ENDURE till the end. Suicide does not fit that bill.

 

[jasoncran]

Suicides don't have Christ, they go to hell. I did not say that Christians never get depressed, but none are saved until they ENDURE till the end. Suicide does not fit that bill.

sorry, buddy, those listed arenot cause by demons but by chemical imbalences in the brain they are healable by God.

taking ones life is sad but not a disqualifier for salvation if so then any sin you do just before death, and unrepented for means you didnt make it.

i have wanted to die, its not something that you just one day wake up and the next dont do it. its you feel down and want help and either get it or the hopeless overwhelms you and you die.

most of the time persons cry out to others and if they are talked to they wont end it other times. the person does end there own life and gives no warnings.

remember like it or not the fact is while we may think we are so special that a soul has emotions the reality is just as real that the brain has chemicals that carry out the emotions.

love for ones wife is actually realised as oxycotin, anger/ andrelin/and testerone. and depression is stayed by serotonin levels.

so then unless you can tell me as you have been to heaven and met men and women who had psychosis and didnt make as they took their lives you have no case. the bible neither says much on those that take their lives on where their soul is. one can count isachariot as not all suicides are for murdering men.

if that is the case then elijah partook in murdering men and that depression is from that.

i have heard men wanting to die because their spouse left them. cheated on them. as a kid i heard and saw a grown man cry each not for his wife divorced him. so loud i could hear it a block away.

he drank heavily for a while then stopped when came to his senses, and later remarried another women.

 

[ronniechoate34]

There is no proof that "chemical imbalances", or any other mind problem, is not due to demonic influence of some kind. But, there seems to be plenty of circumstancial evidence that points to demons as the culprit.

 

[jasoncran]

There is no proof that "chemical imbalances", or any other mind problem, is not due to demonic influence of some kind. But, there seems to be plenty of circumstancial evidence that points to demons as the culprit.

what do you think alcohol, marijuan do?nothing?

and other drugs.

demonic influence has nothing or little do with psychosis if so then also add dementia(which btw includes motor skills, and memory loss) and parkinsons and tardic dyskensia and alzhemiers fall into that category.

people die from both parkinsons and alzhemiers. as the both cause organ failure, and aslo the later can be most violent. my wife was often punched by patients that had that disease.

the emotions themselves arent often felt by some by chemical imbalences or lack therof.

If things happen to our bodies that we do not choose (such as the progression of Alzheimer's disease, which causes senility and dementia)₇, we are forced to change our behaviour and feelings. The cases and examples below document many occasions when disease, accidents or surgery have directly altered a person's character and personality, their life memories, their moods, and their consciousness. This is only possible if character and personality, moods and consciousness, are all biological in nature. A biology textbook concurs thusly:

“A small amount of damage [...] might even cause rather dramatic changes in your personality. Why? Because your brain is the seat of your self-awareness, the locus of your intelligence, your compassion, and your creativity. All of your mental activities - your thoughts, emotions and feelings - and all your bodily processes are affected by the functioning of your brain.â€
"Understanding Human Behavior" by James V. McConnel (1986)₈
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i dont agree with this completely as they use science to deny the soul but to say that they are way off, no.

the human brain has chemicals to it and it is an organ abeit mysterious yes but slowly being understood.

will we ever know it all on biology of men. probably not. but that doesnt mean that emotions have no physical side to them. other wise when the wife or you kiss do you deny the chemical reaction in the skin that sends the signals?

 

[reba]

Suicides don't have Christ, they go to hell. I did not say that Christians never get depressed, but none are saved until they ENDURE till the end. Suicide does not fit that bill.

Suicide was that person end. God loves us when we have cancer God loves us when we have emotional illness

The cancer can kill so can the emotional.


We could get real detailed here and say cancer kills but how did Sue get the cancer?
If some how she brought it on herself she did not die of cancer but of suicide...

Ronnie your blanket statement doesn't fit the a Christ like attitude IMHO

 

[Mike]

There is no proof that "chemical imbalances", or any other mind problem, is not due to demonic influence of some kind. But, there seems to be plenty of circumstancial evidence that points to demons as the culprit.

I'm not going to try to convince you to not hate cops. You seem pretty fixed on this. But earlier you said someone was "ignorant", and I wonder if you would say that you are not an expert in the field of brain chemistry. Could you be ignorant of the dysfunction of neural pathways and synaptic connection disorders? Is this out of your wheelhouse?

 

[ronniechoate34]

I'm not going to try to convince you to not hate cops. You seem pretty fixed on this. But earlier you said someone was "ignorant", and I wonder if you would say that you are not an expert in the field of brain chemistry. Could you be ignorant of the dysfunction of neural pathways and synaptic connection disorders? Is this out of your wheelhouse?

Dysfunctional, just like creation became after the fall of man.

 

[Buzzy]

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Many police men are not my brothers.

 

[theLords]

Many police men are not my brothers.

Christ knew this reasoning would be uttered, so He made sure to cover this ground as well:

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And if that's not enough:

Matthew 5:43-48

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Christ knew this reasoning would be uttered, so He made sure to cover this ground as well:

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And if that's not enough:

Matthew 5:43-48

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Point taken.


I do regret the fact that I sometimes feel hatered towards the beast system and those who foster its growth.


Thank you for posting the scriptures here.


I still have a mighty strong distaste for the garbage that's being put out there though.


Thanks again.

 

[Buzzy]

Matthew 7:²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. <sup id="en-NKJV-23335" class="versenum">22</sup> Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ <sup id="en-NKJV-23336" class="versenum">23</sup> And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

I honestly don't think I've ever understood this scripture as well as I do right now. I know that the Holy Spirit has been convicting me about the stones of hatred and roots of bitterness still in my heart still but I've never stood up and evangelized for hatred and bitterness.

 

[WIP]

I think this thread is also a good reminder about the topic of forgiveness. There is much said in the scriptures about forgiveness. God knows how difficult forgiveness can be and that's probably why this topic is brought up so often.

 

[theLords]

Point taken.


I do regret the fact that I sometimes feel hatered towards the beast system and those who foster its growth.


Thank you for posting the scriptures here.


I still have a mighty strong distaste for the garbage that's being put out there though.


Thanks again.

You're welcome, brother. I applaud your ability to humble yourself here in this thread. You have anger against the police? Well, I have plenty of anger against some people who have wronged me as well. It's been 3 years and I am still working out my anger with God. 3 years! In fact, God was even calling me to forgive this morning in our fellowship. God doesn't fault me for the righteous anger I feel over what was done, yet He doesn't allow me to stew in my anger either. When He says forgive, I need to forgive because the ball is no longer in their court, it's in mine. He also calls me to examine myself and see the wrong that I committed and seek forgiveness from Him as well. There's always a balance. Balance is God's way. Also, here's the thing about unforgiveness, the only prisoner is the one who refuses to forgive. While our unforgiveness keeps us from thinking clearly and being Christlike, while we suffer--those who've wronged us are happy and free as birds! The only one suffering is the one who won't forgive.

It's also good to remind yourself, that the policeman and the police force, are not your enemy. As you've stated here:

"I do regret the fact that I sometimes feel hatered towards the beast system and those who foster its growth."

The enemy is your only enemy.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

God bless you, Ronnie.

 

[Danus]

I think that lies are wrong. In fact I know that they are.

Well, which is more wrong, telling someone they won tickets to a stupid football game or not paying child support?

Your tax dollars go toward the cops fighting crime, if they can handle situations to bring criminals in cheaper than having to hunt them down what difference does it make? These people brought in are convicted under the law. Who cares if they where deceived to come into the hands of the law of man. Do you really think God cares about the police "lying' to them... deceiving them? Just so they can serve the law of man for the good of society? Where they Done wrong? Please.

So what if they did not get tickets to a football game like they where promised. That's what you have an issue with? Because that's about it.

I suggest you consider the priority of that which is greater. God does. When it comes to man no one is "right", but there is a since of righteousness in the motives of man, and in this case it's pretty clear what that is.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Thanks to everyone for posting here.


I have realized that I don't hate any individual people, but I do hate the way the system is set up, and I do hate the fact that people can't see the wrong in it.


Someone here asked me which is worse, not paying child support or lying? They are both evil, but if you can't get money from someone who maybe through no fault of their own has no money, or no job, then is it okay to punish them just for falling on hard times?

 

[ronniechoate34]

What about cases where men pay their child support and the "ex" wife with holds it from the children by fraud? What about cases where the "new" husband or boyfriend get the "child support" instead of the children? Oh yeah, it happens way more often than people think. It's no different than the man not paying the support, so why isn't anyone going after these offenders?

 

[reba]

Boys/men should get the idea that any women they have sex with could be the mother of their children.. Sex can last a lifetime

Girls/ women should get the idea that any man they have sex with could be the father of their children..Sex can last a lifetime

I do wish there was some way to stop the fraud with out it costing the kids.

Most of us have seen both sides of the issue up close. I feel when it comes to the law the woman gets by with too much. At least today men having coustidy of the kids is more common...
My son paid CS for 4 kids 1 child chose to live with dad he continued to pay for 3 and received zero in CS. I am please he went on and did the father thing and paid for the other 3. I found out later he lived in a car in the park for a summer to make the payments.....