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Operation Iron Snare

jasoncran said:
gee, i am a criminal, and lo i used to steal.

jason stole from the state of lousiana , a whole year of unemployment.

jason aslo stole from aafes which by bad back.

jason stole from his own parents.

jason was not a nice man, he was a sinner and thief and sorry indivual as a young adult. i neither robbed by gun point nor by knive, but by bad checks or conning you.

if the cops set me up and your were my victim, would you feel any compassion for me?

i dont think so, justice served.

that jason is dead, he died back in 1996. repented and stole no more. repaid those that found him.
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If you are a criminal and you fall in bad with the police, then it's because God sent them after you.
 
ronniechoate34 said:
Nahh... That's not what bothered me. It's the level of deceit they used that bothers me. They even called out the news crews for it.

Lies really get to me.
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But the crimes and lies of the criminals don't insight this same indignation from you? They told the courts and their children that they would pay child support and they LIED because they didn't do it. There's a double standard within your anger.
 
Re: Had troubles with the "law" eh???

Bob Carabbio said:
"I hate the police force. As far as I am concerned they are all just a bunch of self righteous people who justify their lies and agression."

Actually they're the Ministers to the unjust. Folks who don't bend or break the law don't have to worry about 'em. I assume you've tried to get away with something - and didn't.

"Nevermind what the Bible says about trusting in God, the police force has got to be sneaky to get things done."

Sure - why not??? The folks that they're AFTER are liars, "sneaky", and agressive.

"there'll be no use for them in the world to come."

True statement - but we're not IN the "Word to come" yet.

This is the PRESENT world, and it's Full of reprobate, morally corrupt, sinful filthy totally depraved humans. And the police come in really handy to control 'em. Like my daughter swore that she'd not had any alcohol, and the cops were "Sneaky" and "out to get her" (Except her blood test came back with a 1.8) - so who was being "sneaky"??? But she'd agree with you - she hates 'em too.

"Police Lure Wanted Suspects With Promise Of Free Football Tickets"

HEY - whatever works, y'all!!
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You are certainly entitled to this opinion.


Please, take a moment to read the rest of my posts on this subject.
 
theLords said:
But the crimes and lies of the criminals don't insight this same indignation from you? They told the courts and their children that they would pay child support and they LIED because they didn't do it. There's a double standard within your anger.
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I don't know anything about any one of these men or their economic situations, and I don't know if these men had fallen on hard times, or anything at all about them. For all I know they may have lost their jobs like many Americans have in the last few years. The may have been on their phones begging their "ex" wives for time. I don't know. Do you?


I know that the police are full of lies,,,and themselves.
 
ronniechoate34 said:
I don't know anything about any one of these men or their economic situations, and I don't know if these men had fallen on hard times, or anything at all about them. For all I know they may have lost their jobs like many Americans have in the last few years. The may have been on their phones begging their "ex" wives for time. I don't know. Do you?


I know that the police are full of lies,,,and themselves.
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Rationalizing the sin of one and condemning another? Why can't you show the police this same courtesy of not assuming?

There's definitely a grudge against the police here, which is why, I think this is where I will bow out of this thread. :nod
 
ronniechoate34 said:
If you are a criminal and you fall in bad with the police, then it's because God sent them after you.
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actually. while i dont pretend to lie on what i said or did. i deserved jail and one of them crimes(bad checks was punishable by the ucmj with a min of 25 yrs confinement) i have never served any time. God showed me mercy.

i can easily go into being a law enforcement as my record doesnt show any charges. i cant be an mp if i have any felonies or reckless driving,let alone a secret clearence.

uh and God used the letter of intent to scare me straight.it worked. i got a letter saying that if i didnt pay the victims of my bad checks. the check would go the da. it worked. i repented and a few weeks later i paid them.

God does use jail to save souls.

my brother doesnt like the current family law and pays his child support. he is in a battle now with his ex over whether he should pay for his oldest who is 18 now for the time that she didnt go to hs. she was aressted and held in an juvenile facility.

my brother has no qualms on paying what is due , but to add insult is that he has the daughters more then the mother and often still had to pay her. he is using the courts and this man lost his house and much income.

he lives with my parents. while i wont go into him too much. i have some other words to say to him on another matter that have nothing to do with his lack of child support payments.
 
ronniechoate] I don't know anything about any one of these men or their economic situations said:
Rationalizing the sin of one and condemning another? Why can't you show the police this same courtesy of not assuming?

There's definitely a grudge against the police here, which is why, I think this is where I will bow out of this thread. :nod
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Yes, I agree with theLord's here...

Ronnie, for whatever reason you have to hate the police...you're generalized hatred is against those whom God has placed as His agents....unlike the deadbeat dads you are so willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

Your statement "I know that the police are full of lies,,,and themselves." smacks of judgmentalism towards a whole body of people who have one of the toughest jobs there is. You don't "know" that about all policemen...nor even most policemen.

If you've had a bad experience with a bad cop...that's too bad. We live in a world where bad things happen. I had a bad experience with a bad school teacher, guess that means it's OK to publicly denounce all school teachers as being unfair and sexist?

But to take such a broad brush and condemn so many people, accusing them of being liars and being full of themselves...

Yep, I'm bowing out as well. :nod
 
ronniechoate34 said:
I don't know anything about any one of these men or their economic situations, and I don't know if these men had fallen on hard times, or anything at all about them. For all I know they may have lost their jobs like many Americans have in the last few years. The may have been on their phones begging their "ex" wives for time. I don't know. Do you?


I know that the police are full of lies,,,and themselves.
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I wonder if even one of the guys responded something like WOW free tickets thanks but no thanks please send the winnings to my kids.
 
Ronnie, can you cite anything in Christ's response to the authorities that would give your attitude toward police any support? Anything that would demonstrate approval for such vile hatred?

I know some men in blue, and between the ones I know and the stories they tell about others on the force, I've considered that this profession attracts some of the most Godly people in my society. I would trust some of these people implicitly. Sure you have some who are corrupt, but that comes with any profession that carries power. But no doubt there are honest men and women on the police force who are there with the right motivation. We would be in a bad way if we policed ourselves.
 
theLords said:
Rationalizing the sin of one and condemning another? Why can't you show the police this same courtesy of not assuming?

There's definitely a grudge against the police here, which is why, I think this is where I will bow out of this thread. :nod
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I am not rationalozing any sin, and the police flat out lied and made no bones about it. I know that situation better than I know the situations of the men on the receiving end of the deception. I know that the men who get caught in prostitution stings are up to no good, but that doesn't excuse the police for luring them in. They can make these arrests without using deceptive tactics.


You are right though, I do not like what the police are doing to people, I think they are stepping over their boundaries.
 
reba said:
I wonder if even one of the guys responded something like WOW free tickets thanks but no thanks please send the winnings to my kids.
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I don't know, but what difference would that have made? It was all a lie anyway, there never were any tickets.
 
Training Cops to Lie - Pt 1

by Val Van Brocklin


Truth or Consequences

Police lie. It's part of their job. They lie to suspects and others in hopes of obtaining evidence. These investigative lies cover a wide web of deception - a web that can get tangled. Some investigative lies are legal, some are not, and some generate significant disagreement amongst courts, prosecutors, the public and officers themselves.

There are serious consequences here. Officers can:
•Be sanctioned by the courts.
•Be sued.
•Be disciplined in the job.
•Lose the public's confidence.
•Have evidence suppressed, a case dismissed and a criminal freed.

Proper training in this complex arena is critical.


Training Cops to Lie - Pt 1 - Officer.com



Training Cops to Lie, Pt 2

by Val Van Brocklin



The "L" word

It was the use of the "L" word that did it. If I had titled last month's article Legal Parameters of Strategic Deception, instead of Training Cops to Lie, I doubt there would have been a brouhaha. If you'd like to see a brouhaha, just click on the web link to Part 1, below, and read all the way through the comments at the end of the article.

My intent in Part 1 was to posit that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized that the duties of law enforcement may require limited, officially sanctioned deception in the course of criminal investigations. United States v. Russell, 411 U.S. 423, 434 (1973). ("Criminal activity is such that stealth and strategy are necessary weapons in the arsenal of the police officer.")

Even criminal defense attorneys empathize with this necessity,


Training Cops to Lie, Pt 2 - Officer.com


Yup, you've got to get your lies just so if you want them to work on the people involved.



Remember, it's a secret so we musn't call them lies, it sounds dirty.
 
westtexas said:
Ronnie, when I was younger, and in and out of jail, I felt the same way. Now that I live on the correct side of the law--nothing to fear from these officers. This thread makes me wonder--
Did you accept your tickets???

Westtexas
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I am a law abiding citizen. I have lived a criminal past, but that's all behind me now.
 
Yes, And???

"You are certainly entitled to this opinion. Please, take a moment to read the rest of my posts on this subject."

I did - it appears that you have a SERIOUS PERSONAL PROBLEM with the concept of "civil authority". That GENERALLY comes from running afoul of it, and not liking the consequences. It'd be nice of the cops were all "professionals" with dedication, and integrity, but some of 'em are pigs. Oh well!!!!

The police are nothing but human beings doing a job - just like you.

SO - waste your time "Hating them" - or just GET OVER IT, rip up the I.O.U. and release yourself from that "Bondage" that you've imprisoned yourself with.
 
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Bob Carabbio said:
"You are certainly entitled to this opinion. Please, take a moment to read the rest of my posts on this subject."

I did - it appears that you have a SERIOUS PERSONAL PROBLEM with the concept of "civil authority". That GENERALLY comes from running afoul of it, and not liking the consequences. It'd be nice of the cops were all "professionals" with dedication, and integrity, but some of 'em are pigs. Oh well!!!!

The police are nothing but human beings doing a job - just like you.

SO - waste your time "Hating them" - or just GET OVER IT, rip up the I.O.U. and release yourself from that "Bondage" that you've imprisoned yourself with.
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It seems like you are trying to be a psychologist or something. Well, I have pretty strong opinions about that too, but that don't fit into this thread.


Why don't you just stop it? You are making yourself look foolish by trying to analyze my reasoning. You are way off base, so please, give it a rest.
 
Policemen are doing God's work, there's no doubt about that. Are they performing their jobs lawfully? I don't see it happening if they are. In fact, when the police are trained to lie that isn't a good thing because lies, and liars, have always, and will always, get out of control if they go on unchecked.



People are more wicked than ever nowadays, and insanity is everywhere, even in the police departments.Everywhere you look you've got people who don't seem to care where they spend eternity, and some even joke about it. People look at sin as an oportunity, and not as a temptation like they ought to. No, sin has become an answer to problems, i.e. the police lies. Sin has also become an opportunity for one's pleasure, i.e. television, movies, books, music, etc.


Take a look at the suicide rates among policemen. You've got to know that those cops didn't give up hope because they had Jesus Christ in their hearts and lives. No, they abandoned all hope and took their own lives, raging insanity, right in the police departments, and no officer is immune.
 
ronniechoate34 said:
I hate the police force. As far as I am concerned they are all just a bunch of self righteous people who justify their lies and agression. Nevermind what the Bible says about trusting in God, the police force has got to be sneaky to get things done. They are trained in lies and agression, there'll be no use for them in the world to come.


Police Lure Wanted Suspects With Promise Of Free Football Tickets (VIDEO)


I hope they are patting themselves on the back now because that's all the reward that they're ever going to get, except for maybe some old garbage medal or accolades that they've heaped onto one another for a job "well done". Truly, they are receiving their rewards now.
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:toofunny....seriously? You think that was wrong hu?
 
I guess that's why God came down so hard on Rahab for lying to the Jericho defenders about where the Israelite spies were.
 
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