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Order of Authority

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The below video is about the order of Authority in Christianity and what comprises of Scripture. I had posted bits and pieces as reply on several threads but I would like to discuss with good bible believing Christians to contemplate this view and what stops them from accepting the authority of Christ in everything.

[video=youtube;dlxDYzEuZic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxDYzEuZic[/video]

Below is just a quick summary of what I mentioned in video.

Order of Authority
  1. Words of Christ - all the red text in Gospels and Revelation - Father - Deut 18:18-19, Son - John 12:48 and Holy Spirit - John 14:26, all declare the authority of Christ’s words.
  2. Scripture - Law, Prophets, Psalms are the next authority - Scripture by itself does not have any authority. The authority of Scripture is only because it gives witness to Christ. Christ Himself defines scripture books in Luke 24:44.
  3. Teachings of apostles and disciples - Teachings of Paul through his letters and apostles are not scripture but good for us to understand Scripture and the Old Testament. We always need to independently verify those teachings using Scripture and must always build their teachings over Christ’s foundation NOT the other way round.
  4. Rest of the Old Testament - Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon
  5. Deutrocannonical books - I consider this to be more of a historical reference since Christ never quoted anything from it when I personally reviewed all such claims.
 
the order of the vocational faith in Jesus consists in two main points, the official dedication and the perfection, the official dedication consists in:

Hebrews 6:2-3 "the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

- doctrine of repentance from iniquity in the faith

each bad treatment in the faith towards another human is a sin, and there is a need of repentance in such cases

1 John 5:17 "All unrighteousness(i.e. all iniquity in the faith) is sin: and there is a sin not unto death(i.e. a sin which is not continued/prolonged/extended)."

- doctrine of trust in the true God

as opposed to the true God, the humans do not know and are not able to do the best for anyone of the humans, therefore in this regard the believers must as far as possible leave all things in His hands, e.g. they should pray to Him, while He ought to fulfil the good payers

Romans 1:33-36 "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments(i.e. His solutions), and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.",

Luke 12:25-31 "which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?.... But rather seek ye the kingdom(i.e. the love) of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.",

Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

- doctrine of baptisms

if there are vocational believers, there should be also an official initiation in the right faith, (and) exactly such is the function of the baptisms

2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."

- doctrine of intervention

if the believers themselves intervene spiritually in the life of another human, so they can defile it spiritually, because there is a sanctity which the true God has made and put therein, so, as in the doctrine of trust in the true God, here it also can be said that the believers must as a rule leave all spiritual interventions in the hands of the true God and Jesus, because as opposed to Him, we do not see, do not know and cannot operate spiritually the life of the other humans, while He sees, knows and can do everything for all

Ephesians 4:30 "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.",

Mark 9:29 "And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer(i.e. by good prayer) and fasting(i.e. and the keeping of human sanctity at least)."

- doctrine of resurrection

all people/souls must be saved and provided completely unto everlasting life, so that the complete salvation and life must be provided even(still) in this world to those of them who still live here

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.",

Luke 9:55 "the Son of man is not come(i.e. does never come) to destroy men's lives, but to(i.e. but He always comes (in order) to) save them.",

Matthew 18:10-14 "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones(i.e. anyone of the humans); for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones(i.e. that any human) should perish."

- doctrine of eternal judgment

the eternity is both endless and cyclic, because it is a circle, something like a dvd with movie which always repeats, when the movie ends then it invariably starts again, so it is with the eternity, it is like one movie which repeats infinitely, when it ends then it begins again, but with the difference that the roles/positions of the souls are interchanged with one step forward for each rotation of the eternity, so each soul has to be in the role/position of any other, so that there is an eternal judgment thus

Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge(viz. in the present eternity), ye shall be judged(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity): and with what measure ye mete(viz. in the current eternity), it shall be measured to you again(viz. in the following repeats of the eternity)..... Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity), do ye even so to them(viz. now in this eternity): for this is the law and the prophets.",

Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 "The thing that hath been(viz. in this eternity), it is that which shall be(viz. in the subsequent eternity); and that which is done(viz. in the current eternity) is that which shall be done(viz. in the following eternity): and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time(viz. in the previous rotations/repeats of the eternity), which was before us(i.e. before the current eternity). There is no remembrance of former things(viz. there is no remembrance of the things that occurred in the previous eternity); neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after(i.e. neither shall there be any remembrance of the things which will occur during the subsequent eternity with the souls in the subsequent rotation of their roles/characters).",

Revelation 14:11 "the smoke(i.e. and the fate) of their torment(i.e. of their afflictions) ascendeth up for ever and ever(i.e. will occur in the subsequent repeats of the eternity):",

John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word(i.e. in the beginning of the eternity was God in His form of (a) seed), and the Word was with God(i.e. and the Seed was growing), and the Word was God(i.e. until God has grown (up) to His mature form). The same(i.e. exactly this) was in the beginning with God.",

Mark 4:30-32 "And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom(i.e. the origin) of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It(i.e. in the beginning God) is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth(i.e. which, when it is in the beginning of (the) eternity), is less than all the seeds that be in the earth(i.e. is "less" than all things of the universe): But when it is sown(i.e. but when the beginning of (the) eternity starts), it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs(i.e. than all things of the universe), and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air(i.e. so that many Holy Angels) may lodge under the shadow of it.",

Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

as regards the perfection, it is the most important thing in the faith, because it is the very act/work of salvation which is the most effective thing therein, and it is a show of perfect love towards all other humans by intercession and concern for them, the believers must always want and work for this all people to be once and for all provided with complete salvation and life - it is about complete salvation and provision unto eternal life

Hebrews 6:1-9 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection(i.e. unto perfect love towards all humans); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit..... But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation(i.e. perfect salvation to all humans)",

1 John 4:7-21 "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son |to be| the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit(viz. of His Love, which is perfect love for all humans). And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son |to be| the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment(i.e. when we are always preferring/persisting for the quite direct and complete salvation in God and Jesus to all humans even in the most critical moments): because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment(i.e. non-salvation and perdition). He that feareth is not made perfect in love(i.e. perfect in the deeds of salvation). We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also."

all people are created of God the Father at least by the biological processes of embryo formation in the wombs of their mothers, so all humans are our brethren in Him

Blessings
 
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Interesting, but I wouldn't say that some parts of the Bible are more authoritative than others.

Someone said that All Scripture is for us, but all Scripture is not about us. (Good to bear in mind dispensations.)
 
all people are created of God the Father at least by the biological processes of embryo formation in the wombs of their mothers, so all humans are our brethren in Him

(Matt 12:50) For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

How can some unbeliever be a brother in Christ when Christ Himself said they are not His brothers.

Also, as I mentioned in my OP, I want to discuss "Order of Authority" with "good bible believing Christians". Just thought of mentioning as you have "No" for Christian.
 
(Matt 12:50) For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

How can some unbeliever be a brother in Christ when Christ Himself said they are not His brothers.

Also, as I mentioned in my OP, I want to discuss "Order of Authority" with "good bible believing Christians". Just thought of mentioning as you have "No" for Christian.

we are not intruders as a general rule, and i personally cannot afford to call myself a believer, let alone a christian, because we have a mission wherewith the true God and Jesus indue us, for He chose/chooses us, not that we found Him at first, and we have meant the people as our brethren in God the Father at large, not just the brethren in faith, because there is a difference between disbelievers and believers, for the spiritual servants are not just users, but they are the servants of overall salvation of, by and in Him, because all people are made of God via the biological processes in the wombs of theirs mothers at the least, while the man and woman might only achieve a copulation, so all people are our brethren in Him, and that is why He is called God the Father of all

1 Corinthians 4:7 "who maketh thee to differ from another?",

Isaiah 44:2 "Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee;"

Blessings
 
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we are not intruders as a general rule, and i personally cannot afford to call myself a believer, let alone a christian, because we have a mission wherewith the true God and Jesus indue us, for He chose/chooses us, not that we found Him at first, and we have meant the people as our brethren in God the Father at large, not just the brethren in faith, because there is a difference between disbelievers and believers, for the spiritual servants are not just users, but they are the servants of overall salvation of, by and in Him, because all people are made of God via the biological processes in the wombs of theirs mothers at the least, while the man and woman might only achieve a copulation, so all people are our brethren in Him, and that is why He is called God the Father of all

1 Corinthians 4:7 "who maketh thee to differ from another?",

Isaiah 44:2 "Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee;"

Blessings

One of the reasons I want to avoid unbelievers here is because, they don't care what order of authority is, because, they don't believe in the authority of Christ itself. Like yourself for example, none of your post actually address the OP.
 
One of the reasons I want to avoid unbelievers here is because, they don't care what order of authority is, because, they don't believe in the authority of Christ itself. Like yourself for example, none of your post actually address the OP.

we are witnesses of the true God and Jesus, and the post #2 is directly related to the original post, but maybe not exactly from that viewpoint which was expected, because so the true Lord God gave us to testify here, and therein we testify only the Word which He gives us to testify, otherwise we would not be His witnesses

Blessings
 
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