Origin of GOOD and EVIL!

[RevSRE]

I know there have been more discussions of where good and evil came from than there is time to read them, I just want to ask a simple question for consideration. Possibly we looked in the wrong places!
God is good in it absolute form all that is good is in and from GOD. To turn from God in any way is Evil.
Adams disobedience caused All MANKIND to be separated from God. This separation is the problem. “SIN” is disobedience to God and the resulting separation.
God is absolute Good, to turn from God in any way is Evil. Evil leads to sin and living like one wants. Salvation is in Obedience to God. Sin, all sin, is to disobey God.
Which “SIN” you do is not important.
When you turn from God you are as LOST as you can get.
If God is in you and you are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, you are Holy because of His presence not anything you have done.
When we obey God and keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, when we love Jesus and serve Him as LORD it means something. We did nothing to save ourselves, but Jesus DID. When Jesus paid that Debt and we are saved by grace through faith; we are RESTORED TO FELLOWSHIP with GOD; we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, Adopted into the family of God. Jesus is our intercessor at the throne of God and we are in His Blood Justified Innocent before eternities Judge. Old things are passed away and all things are made new. This body becomes the temple of God and we are Priest of the Most High God with Jesus as our High Priest.

Ok let me say this a little different. We are saved by OBEDIENCE to GOD, To love the LORD your God with all your Heart, Soul, and Might is to KNOW God. We were made to FELLOWSHIP with God. But this is about putting GOD first. IF you choose to reject GOD that is not to believe in GOD, you are as lost as you can be, all the rest fails to change that truth. Please do not get lost in always looking for (Gal 5:19) … “deeds of the flesh”, the list of actions we call sin, in every step of life. Failing to Love the LORD our GOD, to KNOW HIM and FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM makes all else we do of little meaning.

… Certain things have been decreed by the free determination of God, and one of these is the law of choice and consequences. God has decreed that all who willingly commit themselves to His Son Jesus Christ in the obedience of faith shall receive eternal life and become sons of God. He has also decreed that all who love darkness and continue in rebellion against the high authority of heaven shall remain in a state of spiritual alienation and suffer eternal death at last. Reducing the whole matter to individual terms, we arrive at some vital and highly personal conclusions. In the moral conflict now raging around us whoever is on God's side is on the winning side and cannot lose; whoever is on the other side is on the losing side and cannot win. Here there is no chance, no gamble.
There is freedom to choose which side we shall be on but no freedom to negotiate the results of the choice once it is made. When we choose to live for God we are to “Hear His voice and keep His commandments, LIVE IN His will. “By the mercy of God we may repent a wrong choice and alter the consequences by making a new and right choice. Beyond that we cannot go.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I know there have been more discussions of where good and evil came from than there is time to read them, I just want to ask a simple question for consideration. Possibly we looked in the wrong places!
God is good in it absolute form all that is good is in and from GOD. To turn from God in any way is Evil.
Adams disobedience caused All MANKIND to be separated from God. This separation is the problem. “SIN” is disobedience to God and the resulting separation.
God is absolute Good, to turn from God in any way is Evil. Evil leads to sin and living like one wants. Salvation is in Obedience to God. Sin, all sin, is to disobey God.
Which “SIN” you do is not important.
When you turn from God you are as LOST as you can get.
If God is in you and you are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, you are Holy because of His presence not anything you have done.
When we obey God and keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, when we love Jesus and serve Him as LORD it means something. We did nothing to save ourselves, but Jesus DID. When Jesus paid that Debt and we are saved by grace through faith; we are RESTORED TO FELLOWSHIP with GOD; we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, Adopted into the family of God. Jesus is our intercessor at the throne of God and we are in His Blood Justified Innocent before eternities Judge. Old things are passed away and all things are made new. This body becomes the temple of God and we are Priest of the Most High God with Jesus as our High Priest.

Ok let me say this a little different. We are saved by OBEDIENCE to GOD, To love the LORD your God with all your Heart, Soul, and Might is to KNOW God. We were made to FELLOWSHIP with God. But this is about putting GOD first. IF you choose to reject GOD that is not to believe in GOD, you are as lost as you can be, all the rest fails to change that truth. Please do not get lost in always looking for (Gal 5:19) … “deeds of the flesh”, the list of actions we call sin, in every step of life. Failing to Love the LORD our GOD, to KNOW HIM and FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM makes all else we do of little meaning.

… Certain things have been decreed by the free determination of God, and one of these is the law of choice and consequences. God has decreed that all who willingly commit themselves to His Son Jesus Christ in the obedience of faith shall receive eternal life and become sons of God. He has also decreed that all who love darkness and continue in rebellion against the high authority of heaven shall remain in a state of spiritual alienation and suffer eternal death at last. Reducing the whole matter to individual terms, we arrive at some vital and highly personal conclusions. In the moral conflict now raging around us whoever is on God's side is on the winning side and cannot lose; whoever is on the other side is on the losing side and cannot win. Here there is no chance, no gamble.
There is freedom to choose which side we shall be on but no freedom to negotiate the results of the choice once it is made. When we choose to live for God we are to “Hear His voice and keep His commandments, LIVE IN His will. “By the mercy of God we may repent a wrong choice and alter the consequences by making a new and right choice. Beyond that we cannot go.

Blessings in Christ, Reverend SRE, and thank you for sharing.

I know there are some to argue that if you lay too much stress on the Devil being the true origin of evil, you can fall into the habit of blaming everything on him and saying, "The Devil made me do it."

I know that isn't correct either, but I don't think man just sins on his own. I think he has a lot of help at all times, seducing and tempting him and setting him up. I think all of us are specifically targeted according to our weaknesses and tracked like prey by the demons assigned to us. Does that make it the Devil's fault? Of course not. As you say, we are given freedom of choice and freedom of will. But the origin of evil still rests with the Devil IMO. He is the father of lies, and all the other sins men have engaged in since the beginning.

Blessings, and I appreciate the post.
- H

 

[RevSRE]

I agree with your thoughts. Of course, we are caught in the battle between satan trying to interfere with God's will and our own willingness to do wrong. My point is that evil/sin is the OPPOSITE of God's GOOD. Satan made that choice, and humans do too. Satan is more than willing to help people do anything God said not to do. We must make a choice to torn to God , put HIM first in all we do in order to defeat satan and do God's will.

 

[for_his_glory]

Satan's temptations are real and those who fall to those temptations like Adam and Eve did in disobeying God's command to them will separate themselves from having fellowship with God and fall from being a part of His family. Does this mean God no longer loves them, no, as by His grace salvation has come to everyone by faith through the sacrifice of Christ Jesus in whom we can reconcile ourselves back to the Father as Jesus makes intercession for us before the Father.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Also study Colossians 3:1-17 about putting on the new Spiritual self.

 

[Fastfredy0]

We are saved by OBEDIENCE to GOD,

We did nothing to save ourselves

The two statements above seem to contradict.

There is freedom to choose which side we shall be on

Who is "free" to choose? Is man "free" from God and external influences to choose and thus God is not free to choose, but subservient to man's choice in the matter ... or does God decide whom He chooses to save and man is subservient? ... in others words, if salvation of man a gift or a reward?

 

[tdidymas]

What's the point of the thread? Is it about what is the origin of evil? Or is it about how we ought to work around it? Obviously God is the origin of good, that's clear from Gen. 1. Yet, Jesus called Satan "the father of lies." So that would make Satan the origin of evil, since the Big Lie is the adversary of The Truth. That is, the origin of moral evil, as that is distinct from natural evil or circumstantial evil.

In this life we find ourselves stuck in a world full of evil. The only 'option' we have is to trust God, because He is sovereign. It means that in a world full of sinful people who have conflicting desires and constantly make bad choices, God is so wise and powerful that He always has control of all things.

There are 2 proverbs that I remember often: "in all of your getting, get wisdom," and "trust in the Lord with all your heart..."

 

[Oseas]

At midnight there was a cry made, “Behold, the bridegroom is coming! Go out to meet Him!”-> At midnight? O yes, but of what day? Don’t you know? Well, JESUS spoke of His own Day, the Lord’s Day. Speaking precisely of this special Day, the Apostle Peter wrote: 2 Peter 3:8 -> Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. Ah, I understand. So JESUS meant that at midnight on His Day, the Lord’s Day, a cry will be made, saying, “Behold, the bridegroom is coming!” WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY.
The Lord expects all the brothers in Christ, His Church as a whole, of all nations, to be ready for the meeting, it is already midnight, that is, the Day before the Lord’s DAY has ended, and a new Day is beginning, precisely the Lord’s Day, the seventh Day, it is already midnight. In truth, this is a terrible time, of many dangers, of dense darkness, very dark until this Day dawns, until this new Day that has just arrived dawns, now the Day of the Lord, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, with its intense Light. Hallelujah!
In fact, it is good to remember that it is at midnight or the cool of the Day and the Lord usually comes, yes, in the turn of the Day, think about this and keep this in your heart.
Remember that around EXACTLY 6,000 years ago, IN THE COOL OF THE DAY->Genesis 3:8-13-> 8 they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the COOL OF THE DAY->(at MIDNIGHT); and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?
10 And Adam said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And GOD said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree (Genesis 3:1, the MAN of sin, son of perdition, combined with Genesis 2:17 and 3:22, take a look) of which I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? THAT IS IT. Therefore, beware, it is midnight, the bridegroom cometh, but there are many dangers yet.
JESUS warned us of these dangers. Matthew 24:10-14 and 22-25. He also warned us through Revelation 16:13-15; -> 13 And out of the mouth of the dragon (dragon? Revelation 13:11, a false lamb, a false messiah), and out of the mouth of the Beast (a religious MONSTER, unfortunately it is the Church of Rome that completely apostatized and turned herself idolater exceedingly) and out of the mouth of the false prophet (John 5:43-47, take a look) I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out, -> 14 for they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of GOD Almighty.

15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk around naked (LIKE ADAM, remember? Genesis 3:10-11), and they see his shame.)

Having said this, be ready, or else prepare yourself, because he who must come will come and will not delay.

 

[Oseas]

John 17
1 JESUS lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give ETERNAL LIFE to as many as thou hast given Him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true GOD, and JESUS Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy Truth: thy Word is Truth. ~>(The Word is GOD)

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their Word; ->(After 2000 years, here we are under the Power of this prayer of our Lord, sanctified through the Truth, because we have believed in JESUS our Lord)

21 They all may be One; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be One in us: that the WORLD may believe that Thou hast sent me. ->(This is the only condition or the manner by which the WORLD may believe in JESUS as the Savior, our Savior, and also that JESUS was sent to the world by GOD the Father).
Amen.

Let us praise the Lord in Spirit and in Truth, with this wonderful song

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