Orthodox reasoning/Praying to Saints

[Vic C.]

This post:

Orthodox kiss a lot of things- each other's cheeks, hands, icons, the cross, the chalice. It is the kiss of peace and a kiss of reverence.

Yeh right,...... much inline with the kiss Judas came up with.

In love,
cj

and all subsequent post have been stricken from this thread due to...

Rule 2 - No Flaming:
and
Rule 6 - No Trolling:

whether said remarks were intentional or not.

cj, please refrain from inflamatory remarks. That goes for the rest of us as well. (including me) Lets try and think before we hit the submit button.

 

[cj]

This post:

Orthodox kiss a lot of things- each other's cheeks, hands, icons, the cross, the chalice. It is the kiss of peace and a kiss of reverence.

Yeh right,...... much inline with the kiss Judas came up with.

In love,
cj

and all subsequent post have been stricken from this thread due to...

Rule 2 - No Flaming:
and
Rule 6 - No Trolling:

whether said remarks were intentional or not.

cj, please refrain from inflamatory remarks. That goes for the rest of us as well. (including me) Lets try and think before we hit the submit button.

Actually, my comment was not inflamatory in content, regardless of how the religionist tagged it.

The truth is, as OC said himself, thievery and deceipt were at the heart of Judas' motive for what he did, and it manifested itself in the ultimate intimate counterfeit action,.... a kiss..... something that is suppose to mean tender care and love was really a kiss of death.

In the same way, all the various forms, traditions, excercises that the religionists take part in, under the so-called cover of being God's church, is actually thievery and deceipt on the part of the believer as it robs God of His glory and presents a lie to men.

This can be related all the way back to persons bowing to Baal and kissing his ring. A form and intimacy, given to someone other than God.


Scriptures tell us we need to know our enemy and his ways. Unfortunately, just as the apostles may have been fooled by Judas and his seemim=ngly caring actions, we to can be fooled by all the pomp and pagentry, traditions and forms of the apostate institutions.

My motive for saying what I do is to remind others of the truth. And every view I can give the saints here I believe will help to this end.

The fact is, the apsotate institutions can be honestly viewed as having taken the way of Judas.

In love,
cj

 

[Vic C.]

Now, you elaborated. That's exactly what you should have done in the first place. Let's drop it now, before I have an authority complex and pull "Rule 5 - Respect Site authority:" out of the bag. :


James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

This post:

Orthodox kiss a lot of things- each other's cheeks, hands, icons, the cross, the chalice. It is the kiss of peace and a kiss of reverence.

Yeh right,...... much inline with the kiss Judas came up with.

In love,
cj

and all subsequent post have been stricken from this thread due to...

Rule 2 - No Flaming:
and
Rule 6 - No Trolling:

whether said remarks were intentional or not.

cj, please refrain from inflamatory remarks. That goes for the rest of us as well. (including me) Lets try and think before we hit the submit button.

Actually, my comment was not inflamatory in content, regardless of how the religionist tagged it.

The truth is, as OC said himself, thievery and deceipt were at the heart of Judas' motive for what he did, and it manifested itself in the ultimate intimate counterfeit action,.... a kiss..... something that is suppose to mean tender care and love was really a kiss of death.

In the same way, all the various forms, traditions, excercises that the religionists take part in, under the so-called cover of being God's church, is actually thievery and deceipt on the part of the believer as it robs God of His glory and presents a lie to men.

This can be related all the way back to persons bowing to Baal and kissing his ring. A form and intimacy, given to someone other than God.


Scriptures tell us we need to know our enemy and his ways. Unfortunately, just as the apostles may have been fooled by Judas and his seemim=ngly caring actions, we to can be fooled by all the pomp and pagentry, traditions and forms of the apostate institutions.

My motive for saying what I do is to remind others of the truth. And every view I can give the saints here I believe will help to this end.

The fact is, the apsotate institutions can be honestly viewed as having taken the way of Judas.

In love,
cj

This is absurd. My comments about Orthodox kissing had nothing to do with "thievery or deceit."

I challenged CJ to make a connection between the two, and all he has done- apparently to the approval the moderator- is wrap his attack in the language of the iconoclast, the 'anti-religionist.' It's fine if I call you Judas, if I connect it in some rhetorical manner to your "religion."

When indeed it is clear that the intent here is nothing but inflammatory.
Since when is it acceptable to say "when you kiss your brother on the cheek, you are Judas, I know it because I know who you commune with" on a Christian board?
How in any conceivable way is that NOT a personal attack?

CJ, you have been challenged to provide scripture, and all you have provided is rhetoric and polemics. When I play according to your means, that is to say play down to your means, I demean myself and my Savior. I shall not defile His Name again in dealing with the little voices of the Accuser.

Scripture: Put up or shut up.

 

[cj]

I shall not defile His Name again in dealing with the little voices of the Accuser.

More little-man vanity.

Do you really think you can defile the Name that is above all names.


You use these coined phrases that have no substance of reality, but simply reflect the emptyness of the apostate institution that you serve.


Your problem OC, is that you cannot find a way to wrap your deceipt around my speaking in the typical and oh-so-common attempt to stifle the truth.

Additionally, being centered on the false preciousness of your beloved institution you constantly fail to see that I don't write for you alone.

What you feel about what I write is not a priority interest of mine as I do not subscribe to the touchy-feely, individuality culture of the adversary's counterfeit.

What I do care about is the speaking of the body of Christ, which is represented by many on these boards. And though I may not participate with posts on the majority of these boards I do spend much time reading through a lot of what is written so that I may gain a sense of what the Spirit is saying.

Fact is, there is only one voice of reality speaking on these boards, and I trust that I both honor and co-work with this One.


In love,
cj

 

[Orthodox Christian]

And again, no scripture from CJ- not one jot or tittle.

I shall not defile His Name again in dealing with the little voices of the Accuser.

More little-man vanity.

Do you really think you can defile the Name that is above all names.

Speaking of vanity, yours is the mistake made by those who think that their opinion is of greater value than His word

Ezekiel43:7a
He said to me, "Son of man, {this is} the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name

Leviticus 20:3
I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name.

Yes, it brings defilement to His Name when those who call themselves by His Name show preference to other Gods or abuse His Temple through carelessness.

It is idolatry to raise oneself above another human, even if that human is acting wickedly. God opposes the proud, because there is only One God, and to Him all knees will bow and tongues confess Lordship.

Thankfully, God has shown mercy to James the foolish sinner.

You use these coined phrases that have no substance of reality, but simply reflect the emptyness of the apostate institution that you serve.

This latter phrase and much of what you direct at me are empty, generalized phrases devoid of meaning, without validation. This is the sort of sloganeering practiced by cultists and swindlers, emotion-laden language intended to bypass reason and stir the lower passions.

Your problem OC, is that you cannot find a way to wrap your deceipt around my speaking in the typical and oh-so-common attempt to stifle the truth.

I cannot and will not wrap anything around your unsubstantiated opinions and abusive sloganeering/propaganda. It remains to be seen whether you can provide any feedback of substance.

Additionally, being centered on the false preciousness of your beloved institution you constantly fail to see that I don't write for you alone.

What you feel about what I write is not a priority interest of mine

Translation: You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelete.
I understand this line of reasoning, it is employed by true apostate institutions: The American Empire scouts, aka Pentagon, and Corporate America. I have indeed served this institution, as they pay my salary, and I know their voice when I hear it.

as I do not subscribe to the touchy-feely, individuality culture of the adversary's counterfeit.


What I do care about is the speaking of the body of Christ, which is represented by many on these boards. And though I may not participate with posts on the majority of these boards I do spend much time reading through a lot of what is written so that I may gain a sense of what the Spirit is saying.

Fact is, there is only one voice of reality speaking on these boards, and I trust that I both honor and co-work with this One.


In love,
cj

Not my place to say who you co-labor with, each person must judge for themselves. I get alot more of the spirit of Ike Turner from your posts than the Spirit of the Living God, but that's just one little man's opinion.

by the grace of God
James

 

[cj]

And again, no scripture from CJ- not one jot or tittle.

Not necessary OC.

Speaking of vanity, yours is the mistake made by those who think that their opinion is of greater value than His word

OC, because you can copy and paste scripture verses means little, as we constantly see by your misuse of these verses as you attempt to present some appearance of a christian look to your speaking.

Its already been thoroughly established that you don't understand the scripture, therefore what value can there be in your thoughts about the opinion of the speaking of others concerning these scriptures.

None really.

OC, take a close look at the verses you presented below, what do you think you missed?

Let me help you.....

Ezekiel43:7a
He said to me, "Son of man, {this is} the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name

As is understood, the OT was a shadow-type of the reality which was to come. This reality is a Person, Christ Jesus. And Christ Jesus has come Himself. Today we have the Reality.

And what is this Reality?

This Person is the expressed defeat of God's adversary, He is the victory of God over the fallenness that invaded and corrupted His creation.

Christ came to this earth, lived, died, was buried, resurrected, ascended, enthroned, and came back to make His abode in the very center of the being of all who believe in His name. This is the victory we have, our faith.

Allow me to remind you, oh lover of that which the OT represented (man's death) of some potent NT scripture......

1 Corinthians 15:55, "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"

And let me back it up with the relevant OT scripture....

Hosea  13 : 14, "From the power of Sheol I will ransom them; From death I will redeem them. Where are your plagues, O death? Where is your destruction, O Sheol? Repentance will be hidden from My eyes."

You are a lover of the way of the law OC, so you cling desperately to the death of your old man, the man who is passing away.

The old Adam is no more, he is dead in his offenses, and yet you want to declare that this no-more man can "defile" the Name of the One who has been seated far above all things.

Do you not know that the blood has covered all possible defilement OC?

Do you not know that when God looks at believing men He sees the rightousness of His beloved Son and all that this beloved One accomplished on the cross?

You loudly declare, "I SHALL NOT DEFILE HIS NAME....", not realizing that in yourself you are nothing but death expressed and can do nothing but defile His Name.

But under the blood, even if you sin you are covered.

Darkened one, the only reality to our being able to "NOT" do anything against God is as a result of Jesus having saved us and come to live in our regenerated spirit to empower us to live a holy life.

The only honest "I SHALL NOT" that a saved man can declare is one that is followed by the words "BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED."

Remember the words of Lucifer..... "I shall", "I shall", "I", "I", "I", "I", and on and on.

Leviticus 20:3
I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name.

Now religionist, you who loves the dark doctrines of ambitious men, lets expose your scriptural ignorance.



In God's view the term "defilement" is related to the matter of holiness.

Leviticus 19:1-2, Then Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to all the assembly of the children of Israel, and say to them, You shall be holy, for I, Jehovah your God, am holy."

Defilement is likened to fine flour becoming mixed with leaven.

And what is this leaven?

It is something that causes the fine flour to act in a manner that is not natural to its given/original nature. Examples of this are baking powder and yeast, as when added to flour they cause the flour to act in an unnatural way. Thus, according to the principle of defilement, when you add yeast or baking powder to flour this flour has been defiled.

The biblical equivelent of this can be found in what took place in man.

When Adam and Eve disobeyed God's instructions they took themselves out from under the covering of God and thus opened themselves up to Satan's corrupting element. Fallen man is simply man who has become corrupted, or fine flour that has become defiled.

God looked at man and declared very good, but this very good became evil after the fall.

So, this is the truth concerning defilement,.... it is the corruption of that which is pure with that which is evil.

Understanding this, and knowing that Jesus is absolutely pure, and can never be corrupted, how can there be any reality to a man declaring "I shall not defile His name." Which is the same as declaring "I shall not defile His Person", for the reality of a name is found in the Person of that name.

The truth is, no man can "defile" the Name/Person of Jesus, for He is incorrutpible. Scripture tells us this.

It is only a vain, off-course believer who would declare such foolishness.


Yet, here in the verses from Leviticus that OC presented we see God saying that a man can defile His name, so what gives?

The answer is found in understanding what the nation of Israel was in God's eyes to the people on this earth; Israel was a visible/human testimony of God, when the nations looked at Israel they were suppose to see God on the earth. In other words, they carried the Name of God as their own.

Therefore, what they did directly effected what the Name of God meant to people looking on. Meaning, in the eyes of the onlooker God became defiled/corrupted.

Now we all know that it is impossible for God to become corrupted, yet He says His Name became defiled. How so?

Because He considered the Israelites His children, He considered Himself to be one with them, and so if they became defiled He in a sense became defiled.

Think of it, if Jesus had become defiled, if He had sinned, what would your opinion of God be?

But back to the OT way,..... because the law proved that men could not represent God in their fallen state, God cut off His chosen people (for a time) and He Himself came into man (incarnation) so as to accomplish in man what He has desired from eternity past.

Now, as the only living man, the new Adam, who is also the life-giving Spirit, God can do two things concerning His old creation..... He can graft in that which before was not a part of Him, Gentiles, and He can reattach that which He cut off for a time Israelites (the Jews). But both take place in Christ and are under everything that Christ is.

And Christ is Holy. Or in other words, Christ is pure and undefiled.

Therefore, anyone who lives because of Christ is also holy because of Christ. And what is holy because of Christ cannot become defiled again.

And if a believer, because of Christ cannot become defiled again, how can this pure/holy believer defile the Name of God.

He can't. That which is dead is dead. And the old Adam, with all his defilement, is dead.

The truth is, when OC declares what he declared above regarding "defiling" the name of God, he is only expressing the death threos of a dead man.


I hope what I've said above is clear.



But there is more,.... see, this matter of maintaining the dead man is at the center of the apostate doctrines of the counterfeit religions. And we need to see this clearly so that we may know what to reject.

In a following post I will speak about what the NT has to say about the matter of defilement.

But I'll give you a hint,..... it has nothing to do with the Name of God and much to do with the person of a man. In particular, the unregenerated soul of a man.

Not my place to say who you co-labor with, each person must judge for themselves. I get alot more of the spirit of Ike Turner from your posts than the Spirit of the Living God, but that's just one little man's opinion.

Which is simply further evidence of your poor condition.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodox Christian,

[quote:755dd]You use these coined phrases that have no substance of reality, but simply reflect the emptyness of the apostate institution that you serve.

This latter phrase and much of what you direct at me are empty, generalized phrases devoid of meaning, without validation. This is the sort of sloganeering practiced by cultists and swindlers, emotion-laden language intended to bypass reason and stir the lower passions. [/quote:755dd]

This statement by cj is absolutely laughable in America where Christianity has been reduced to bumper sticker slogans and one line ditties of condemnation. Hey cj got a fish on the butt of your donkey? Maybe a bumpersticker that says "not perfect just forgiven" eh? Another sickening hypocritical prognostication of the protestant reformation.

[quote:755dd]Your problem OC, is that you cannot find a way to wrap your deceipt around my speaking in the typical and oh-so-common attempt to stifle the truth.

I cannot and will not wrap anything around your unsubstantiated opinions and abusive sloganeering/propaganda. It remains to be seen whether you can provide any feedback of substance.[/quote:755dd]

Another doctor diagnosing your problem and others. Where do these people get off acting like the "great physician"? In America practicing to be a doctor without a license is against the law. Where is a cop when ya need one?

[quote:755dd]Additionally, being centered on the false preciousness of your beloved institution you constantly fail to see that I don't write for you alone.

What you feel about what I write is not a priority interest of mine
Translation: You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelete.
I understand this line of reasoning, it is employed by true apostate institutions: The American Empire scouts, aka Pentagon, and Corporate America. I have indeed served this institution, as they pay my salary, and I know their voice when I hear it. [/quote:755dd]

God bless the flag of the United States of America, bow and kiss.

Your unworthy servant,

Kyril

 

[Orthodox Christian]

CJ
Your posts are exceedingly wordy. You would do well to observe posting etiquette by keeping your posts from becoming lengthy, rambling discourses.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

• OC declares intent to no longer defile God's Holy Name by indulging in unChristian attacks on a Christian board
  CJ calls OC "vain" for saying so,and declares that God's Name cannot be defiled
  OC posts 2 scriptures as proof that God says His Name can indeed be defiled
  CJ argues that my scriptures were Old Covenant shadows.

In that Old Covenant, argues CJ
the nation of Israel was in God's eyes to the people on this earth; Israel was a visible/human testimony of God, when the nations looked at Israel they were suppose to see God on the earth. In other words, they carried the Name of God as their own.

CJ is saying that this is distinctive from the New Covenant.

Peter, quoting the Old Covenant, Exodus 19:6, differs with CJ (or should I say CJ differs with Peter?)

1 Peter 2:9-10
But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

These words were given to New Covenant people. So were these:

2 Thessalonians 1:12
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

So we have the power, by His grace, to glorify the Name. But can we blaspheme (a form of defilement) the Name?

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

Yes- by failing to act in a matter that brings glory to His Name

James 2:7
Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Furthermore, CJ claims

Do you not know that the blood has covered all possible defilement OC?

No, I don't know that, nor does the New Testament know that

defilement of self
Mark 7:15
Titus 1:10

defilement of the Temple of God (bodies)
1 Cor 3:17

defilement of marriage bed
Hebrews 13:4

defilement of spirit
James 1:27


Finally, I am now known by CJ as OC the "religionist."
Guilty as charged

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

May the Lord my God stablish and keep me in pure religion, according to His mercy

by the grace of God
James

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Orthodox Christian,

[quote:d9656]Your problem OC, is that you cannot find a way to wrap your deceipt around my speaking in the typical and oh-so-common attempt to stifle the truth.

I cannot and will not wrap anything around your unsubstantiated opinions and abusive sloganeering/propaganda. It remains to be seen whether you can provide any feedback of substance.

Another doctor diagnosing your problem and others. Where do these people get off acting like the "great physician"? In America practicing to be a doctor without a license is against the law. Where is a cop when ya need one?[/quote:d9656]
So very true my brother, yet it is the American ethos, the ugly American phenomenon, which is behind the whole affair.

Contemporary schismatic degenerates from Protestantism, the self-styled 'anti religionists,' are blissfully unaware of the culturally-driven sensibility behind their every thought and precept.

This is ethnocentrism, wrapped in religio-talk, sent into hyper-drive by the Information Age. There was a time when such contrary, surly curmudgeons and their opinions were contained to their small circle of captive listeners. Now there is an instant pulpit available to one and all.

God bless the flag of the United States of America, bow and kiss.

Your unworthy servant,

Kyril

LOL
Bow and scrape and kiss

We thank God for the freedoms and liberties that He provides, and ask that He would keep us from the many seductions of this materialistic Empire. Of these days it was written

For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

Lord have mercy

Your friend and brother
James

 

[Orthodoxy]

And again, no scripture from CJ- not one jot or tittle.

Not necessary OC.

Why? I have asked a number of pointed questions of you yet you refuse to address them and as James has stated dodge the questions in favor of personal attacks on ones intellegence and spiritual understandings. All you are about is personal attacks with a holier than thou spirit.

Speaking of vanity, yours is the mistake made by those who think that their opinion is of greater value than His word

OC, because you can copy and paste scripture verses means little, as we constantly see by your misuse of these verses as you attempt to present some appearance of a christian look to your speaking.

I do not see James cutting and pasting very many responses other than to give example.

Its already been thoroughly established that you don't understand the scripture, therefore what value can there be in your thoughts about the opinion of the speaking of others concerning these scriptures. None really.

Here again Jame's holy spirit is a complete and utter idiot. Jame's is of no value and his opine means nothing. Only cj can interpret scripture properly. All bow. My humble opinion is James is a great asset to this forum.

OC, take a close look at the verses you presented below, what do you think you missed?

Let me help you.....

Ezekiel43:7a
He said to me, "Son of man, {this is} the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name

As is understood, the OT was a shadow-type of the reality which was to come. This reality is a Person, Christ Jesus. And Christ Jesus has come Himself. Today we have the Reality.

Ahh a lesson of Christian reality. A reality show perhaps? Where organically is your christian reality beyond the space between your ears? Where is the Organic Body of Jesus Christ you have claimed unto yourself? I want to go visit your "reality" of Jesus Christ, please. If Jesus is a physical flesh and bone person then He must have a body living, breathing, functioning, thriving, body on the earth that is visible, tangible, knowable, using all five senses to experiance Him would you not agree?

How can I conduct myself in the "house of God" if you are the "house of God"? How can I experiance what you claim christians "believe" about Jesus Christ? Your entire christian faith is based on a nebulas "believe" each individual owns to self and claims saves him. But what is the understanding of this "believe". Is this "believe" the real basis for our reality as Christians?

We must examine what "believe" mean in my opinion.

And what is this Reality?

The Holy Orthodox Church.

This Person is the expressed defeat of God's adversary, He is the victory of God over the fallenness that invaded and corrupted His creation.

Yes He did. So where is your version of Jesus Christ? I say Jesus Christ is the Holy Orthodox Church which covers the earth with His Glory. Where is your Jesus? I can touch mine and have a personal relationship that is knowable and seen to men unto thier salvation.

Christ came to this earth, lived, died, was buried, resurrected, ascended, enthroned, and came back to make His abode in the very center of the being of all who believe in His name. This is the victory we have, our faith.

Yes. Show me your Jesus Christ. If you give me a nebulas "all those that "believe"" Jesus Christ then your jesus is the "invisible man" not reality but a hollywood horror flick.

Allow me to remind you, oh lover of that which the OT represented (man's death) of some potent NT scripture......

This is not inflamatory? Implying someone is the "lover of death" is not a reason to slap someone in reality? Lover of death? James? Really come back to reality cj your really getting out there into utter gnashing of teeth.

1 Corinthians 15:55, "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"

And let me back it up with the relevant OT scripture....

Hosea 13 : 14, "From the power of Sheol I will ransom them; From death I will redeem them. Where are your plagues, O death? Where is your destruction, O Sheol? Repentance will be hidden from My eyes."

You are a lover of the way of the law OC, so you cling desperately to the death of your old man, the man who is passing away.

A personal attack? Really cj why is this needed in a debate? I heard all this stuff in the protestant. Kill the old man, crucify the flesh and other ditties by the protestant teachers. These are not teachings of the protestant and nothing is new under the sun. The practice of hesychasm or stillness, inner peace and the attaining there of, the quenching of the passions and the Jesus Prayer are all practices portraryed by those that have "killed the old man". Servants of others and not servants of self are the attributes of the saints. These are those that have attained to your lofty goal of killing your old man off.

In "the Church", who is Jesus Christ, there is no condemnation only grace and forgiveness to the repentant sinner seeking the mercy of God.

The old Adam is no more, he is dead in his offenses, and yet you want to declare that this no-more man can "defile" the Name of the One who has been seated far above all things.

Dead men stinketh yet you "smell like a rose" oh saint of God. I agree your scent does not offend God nor his Church so why kick against the pricks?

Do you not know that the blood has covered all possible defilement OC?

Does the resurrection mean anything to you? The blood paints the way to the empty tomb. Forgiveness of sins and their removal does not impart the living spirit of God, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His life impart this Spirit. Do you know what traditions of God are? The traditions of God are those things Jesus did while living on the earth. When He resurrected He never stopped living on this earth. His life continued in "the Church" "His Body" the "fulness of Him" with us always and forever.

Do you not know that when God looks at believing men He sees the rightousness of His beloved Son and all that this beloved One accomplished on the cross?

You loudly declare, "I SHALL NOT DEFILE HIS NAME....", not realizing that in yourself you are nothing but death expressed and can do nothing but defile His Name.

But under the blood, even if you sin you are covered.

You keep saying believe yet I believe the Jesus you are claiming is not the one in John 20:21-23 not the one in Matthew 18. What do you believe about the person of Jesus Christ that makes you part of the Church. The Church would like to know what you believe so it can determine if what you believe lines up with what has always been "believed" for 2000 years of Church "believe". We can wait. Explain your nebulas darkened space of "believe" that lies between your ears?

Darkened one, the only reality to our being able to "NOT" do anything against God is as a result of Jesus having saved us and come to live in our regenerated spirit to empower us to live a holy life.

James is a "darkened one"? Are you admitting James was a Christian but now is "darkened"? Are you really being condsending with James and think hs is a dirty piece of dust due no respect as a living human that God created. What gives you the right to talk about James in this manner? You live a holier than thou life it appears, have you no humility towards your fellow man saved or not? People like you make me cring because I was just like this as a protestant except I tried to treat everyone with a modicum of respect and love. cj really your getting scarey.

The only honest "I SHALL NOT" that a saved man can declare is one that is followed by the words "BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED."

Remember the words of Lucifer..... "I shall", "I shall", "I", "I", "I", "I", and on and on.

Do you love fritos? Are you now completely sinless that you can declare "I shall not"? if yes then tell self " I shall not" attack other persons intellegence in a manipulative manner again BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED. Dear man, what he accomplished He did for everyone. Your special but only in a corperate model.

Leviticus 20:3
I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name.

Now religionist, you who loves the dark doctrines of ambitious men, lets expose your scriptural ignorance.

You really are a sickened man. "Religionist"? What do you say about all the men that came before you were "born again" Are they all "religionist" darkened by their own minds? Really? Ignatuis was a student of John. None of His writtings are valid Christian writtings? A student of John the Beloved not even once removed from Jesus? Luke would also have to be labeled a religionist for he wrote both Luke and Acts by talking to witnesses and the apostles then recording it. You, a 20th century man "hearing the voice of God" bussing around in your brain, is greater than these men and woman sepertated from Jesus by mere years? Come on, reality? Only if your on TV it would appear!

In God's view the term "defilement" is related to the matter of holiness.

Leviticus 19:1-2, Then Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to all the assembly of the children of Israel, and say to them, You shall be holy, for I, Jehovah your God, am holy."

Defilement is likened to fine flour becoming mixed with leaven.

And what is this leaven?

It is something that causes the fine flour to act in a manner that is not natural to its given/original nature. Examples of this are baking powder and yeast, as when added to flour they cause the flour to act in an unnatural way. Thus, according to the principle of defilement, when you add yeast or baking powder to flour this flour has been defiled.

The biblical equivelent of this can be found in what took place in man.

When Adam and Eve disobeyed God's instructions they took themselves out from under the covering of God and thus opened themselves up to Satan's corrupting element. Fallen man is simply man who has become corrupted, or fine flour that has become defiled.

God looked at man and declared very good, but this very good became evil after the fall.

Man became evil? God's creation ceased being "very good"? Where are we told God's creation went from "very good" to complete and utter evil? Was the flesh of Jesus "evil"? A very interesting gnostic statement you made. Everything became "evil" after God declared everything "good" and "very good", gnostic oh yea.

If the flesh of Jesus is evil then became "very good" some time later on in His life. This would explain that evil Mary also. So was the "very good" of Jesus "evil" when He "became" a man "clothed in corruptable flesh" for our salvation?

So, this is the truth concerning defilement,.... it is the corruption of that which is pure with that which is evil.

God transends good and evil thus creating both.

Understanding this, and knowing that Jesus is absolutely pure, and can never be corrupted, how can there be any reality to a man declaring "I shall not defile His name." Which is the same as declaring "I shall not defile His Person", for the reality of a name is found in the Person of that name.

Yes, The Church cannot fail, cannot be corrupted by men, exists into an eternal timeline both in on the earth as it is in heaven. He transends time in boundless bound body, tangible yet untouchable, seen yet invisible, knowable yet unknown, experiental yet breath of wind, many membered yet one. You have a concept of God with no physical identity to relate with. How can I as a "darkened" man "believe" in this "Jesus" you confess if I can have no relationship in an experiance other than you bashing me over the head? How can I "conduct myself" in your "house of God" as a reality?

The truth is, no man can "defile" the Name/Person of Jesus, for He is incorrutpible. Scripture tells us this.

It is only a vain, off-course believer who would declare such foolishness.

James is now just off coarse believer? I dont think James "believes" in the same Jesus as you. However I think James will agree He cannot defile the living body of Jesus Christ on the Earth. Surely he is intellegent enough to know he cannot change the unchanging, transendential, historical Church as you appear to have done. Either your Jesus is the real one and Jame's Jesus is the fraud or the tables are turned. IMHO. Both of you do not worship Jesus Christ. Only one does. The other is a counterfiet.

Now we all know that it is impossible for God to become corrupted, yet He says His Name became defiled. How so?

Because He considered the Israelites His children, He considered Himself to be one with them, and so if they became defiled He in a sense became defiled.

Think of it, if Jesus had become defiled, if He had sinned, what would your opinion of God be?

Well when God said to Mary His mother "woman" I kinda thought God was being a jerk. Maybe that is not a sin. Then God said to a group of people "you are my brothers and sisters, even my mother" while Mary and "his sibliings" stood by and took this insult with grace. Golly I think your Jesus is a "bu**head" to his mother and family. But heck that is just me. I wonder, is dishonoring your mother before a group of people and accusing her of not following the will of God a sin? After all Jesus had a body that was "evil flesh" and we all know that evil flesh is just full of sin. How could he resist such a chance to insult His mother and dishonor her?

But back to the OT way,..... because the law proved that men could not represent God in their fallen state, God cut off His chosen people (for a time) and He Himself came into man (incarnation) so as to accomplish in man what He has desired from eternity past.

Now, as the only living man, the new Adam, who is also the life-giving Spirit, God can do two things concerning His old creation..... He can graft in that which before was not a part of Him, Gentiles, and He can reattach that which He cut off for a time Israelites (the Jews). But both take place in Christ and are under everything that Christ is.

And Christ is Holy. Or in other words, Christ is pure and undefiled.

Yep the Church is undefiled by you or anyone else. Is this why you condemn every pope throughout time?

Therefore, anyone who lives because of Christ is also holy because of Christ. And what is holy because of Christ cannot become defiled again.

You live the life of Jesus Christ on the Earth? What does this "life" look like specifically? What "traditions of God" make your life undistinquishable from the Life Jesus Christ lived?

And if a believer, because of Christ cannot become defiled again, how can this pure/holy believer defile the Name of God.

There is that word "believer" agian. This is such a nebulas term. If those "believers" cannot be defiled then you have no right judging anyone for they are not defiled. Thus James then darkened soul, the religionist, "a vain, off-course believer" is not defiled as you have stated? or do you now consider James a non believer in need of a savior. Poor little man?

He can't. That which is dead is dead. And the old Adam, with all his defilement, is dead.

You appear a "dead man" trying to bury the dead. If James is dead as you appear to mean then why are you trying insult him? He is dead to you? Do you rail in the graveyards? Go talk to the dead see if they answer.

The truth is, when OC declares what he declared above regarding "defiling" the name of God, he is only expressing the death threos of a dead man.


I hope what I've said above is clear.

As mud. Nothing new under the sun. Heard all this rant from the protestant teachers through 33 years of brainwashing. Not really my fault I grew up in a protestant nation run by a bunch dupes duping the duped.

But there is more,.... see, this matter of maintaining the dead man is at the center of the apostate doctrines of the counterfeit religions. And we need to see this clearly so that we may know what to reject.

In a following post I will speak about what the NT has to say about the matter of defilement.

Save it please.

A counterfiet requires an original. A counterfeit mimics the reality. Where again is the reality James is counterfieting? Could it not be you that is the counterfeiter since you have no visible and tangible reality behind your claims? The Orthodox Christian has 2000 years of Christian martyrs and saints behind their claims, who is counterfeiting whom?

But I'll give you a hint,..... it has nothing to do with the Name of God and much to do with the person of a man. In particular, the unregenerated soul of a man.

Jame is now an "unregenerated soul" is this what you are implying? All orthodox Christians have unregenerated souls too I must assume you mean by this?

Not my place to say who you co-labor with, each person must judge for themselves. I get alot more of the spirit of Ike Turner from your posts than the Spirit of the Living God, but that's just one little man's opinion.

Which is simply further evidence of your poor condition.

In love,
cj

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Thank you Dr. Phil.

Orthodoxy

 

[Vic C.]

CJ
Your posts are exceedingly wordy. You would do well to observe posting etiquette by keeping your posts from becoming lengthy, rambling discourses.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

Thanks for that reminder, James.

Kyril, James is perfectly capable of defending himself. Lets all try and avoid playing tag-team. Lets also avoid condesending remarks like the Dr. Phil one. This applies to everyone.

Thanks.

 

[Orthodoxy]

CJ
Your posts are exceedingly wordy. You would do well to observe posting etiquette by keeping your posts from becoming lengthy, rambling discourses.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

Thanks for that reminder, James.

Kyril, James is perfectly capable of defending himself. Lets all try and avoid playing tag-team. Lets also avoid condesending remarks like the Dr. Phil one. This applies to everyone.

Thanks.

Oh please Vic.

Religionist?

Darkened one?

Its already been thoroughly established that you don't understand the scripture, therefore what value can there be in your thoughts about the opinion of the speaking of others concerning these scriptures. None really.

You are a lover of the way of the law OC, so you cling desperately to the death of your old man, the man who is passing away.

A quotes of cj. Please Vic do unto others as you have done to me. Consistancy goes along way towards believablity. Why did you not mention one of cj's blasts over the bow as condesending?

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodox Christian]

CJ
Your posts are exceedingly wordy. You would do well to observe posting etiquette by keeping your posts from becoming lengthy, rambling discourses.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

Thanks for that reminder, James.

Kyril, James is perfectly capable of defending himself.

I agree. My question is why should I have to 'defend myself?' One who defends ones self is under attack, and clearly CJ is demonstrating this behavior of using personal attacks, and is not being confronted for doing so. My brother is, no doubt, bringing this to the fore, and looking out not only for his brother (me), but for the tone of this conversation.

As for me, I am unmoved by and disinterested in the personal slams that CJ continues to point in my direction. am interested in pressing forth the scriptures, for I search them, I know the power of them and Who they point to.

Thank you
and bless you Kyril my brother

by the grace of God
James

 

[Vic C.]

A quotes of cj. Please Vic do unto others as you have done to me. Consistancy goes along way towards believablity. Why did you not mention one of cj's blasts over the bow as condesending?

It really doesn't matter if I rule with an iron fist or try to be diplomatic, you see only what you want to see. Which is ironic, because it's the same thing I am being accused of now. I was being tactful in my last post, to no avail. So I now leave you all to your own devices. Let the chip fall where they may.

 

[Orthodoxy]

A quotes of cj. Please Vic do unto others as you have done to me. Consistancy goes along way towards believablity. Why did you not mention one of cj's blasts over the bow as condesending?

It really doesn't matter if I rule with an iron fist or try to be diplomatic, you see only what you want to see. Which is ironic, because it's the same thing I am being accused of now. I was being tactful in my last post, to no avail. So I now leave you all to your own devices. Let the chip fall where they may.

Vic,

You have tried, I commend you for that but I am looking for equality on your chastizements.

Clearly cj continues to attack James on a personal level with hardly a notice but we must walk on egg shells or get threats of banning. Longsuffering appears to play favorites is all I am saying. I have toned down my rhetoric after being told I would be banned if I did not curtail my statements. I am merely asking you to be fair. If you think what you have done is fair then I guess that is the best we can hope for from you.

See yas,

Orthodoxy

 

[cj]

where Christianity has been reduced to bumper sticker slogans and one line ditties of condemnation. Hey cj got a fish on the butt of your donkey? Maybe a bumpersticker that says "not perfect just forgiven" eh?

And "Orthodoxy" is what, not a slogan?

You don't even understand your own condition yet accuse others of that from which you also suffer.

Your speaking is a sad thing to watch take place.

In love,
cj


Note: Let me try and clear up something for you Orthodox...... The above statement of your's that I highlighted in this post is a perfect example of what you attempt to call an attack on your person. Yet it is not, what it is is a response to a particular aspect of one of your posts.

And this is what I do, I respond to the content of a persons post.

Understand this, I am convinced that religiousity is absolutely against the work of God on the earth today and therefore against the Person of Christ. And I further know that the scriptures tell us this.

Additionally, and inline with what the scriptures say, anything that is against the work of God, against the Person of Christ, is to be considered as an expression of darkness. And an expression of darkness is an expression of the kingdom of God's adversary. This is what the bible says.

Considering this, what I do is read what is written in posts and respond to the expressed darkness or the expressed light that is found in the content of these posts, speaking what I know to be the truth concerning what is being expressed.

If therefore I attack anything it is the expression of darkness that I attack, and in doing so attack the source of this darkness.

Fact is, I have a very clear focus regarding my motive and my speaking. Not perfect, but clear. And getting more clear as the days go by.

And how can it be clear but not perfect?

Because as an individual alone, I have only a limited measure of God's speaking, but as an individual submitted to the Spirit working through the body, such as is seen in the authority on these boards, my sight is clear.

I'm not perfect, but I believe the body speaking is. And there are two things that God honors, listening to the body speak, and and having a view to the building of the body.

What the body speaks is for the building of the body. This is God's only economy on the earth today. And I try my best to be submitted to it.

And the thing is, both you and OC understand this principle, and further, submit to its working in the religion you hold to. Yet, in this we can see hypocrisy exposed; for you agree with the principle of given authority in one environment yet you whine against its working in another environment.

Tell me, the the lords over int the "orthodox" apostate institution spoke something to you, would you dare call them out on it?

Nah, you'd hold your tongue even if you believed they were in error.

But here, you go even to the extent of insulting the authority God has given to these boards.

And this is what I mean when I say you have no clue as to condition of your being.

Orthodoxy, the easiest way to stop me speaking in response to what you say is for you yourself to stop speaking.

Ever thought about that?

In fact, this is the very thought behind the scriptures telling us to speak less and listen more.

Think about it, if there is nothing about the apostate religions on these boards then I would have nothing to say about this matter.

I don't do it because I like doing it. What I enjoy most is discussing the Lord Jesus and all that He has accomplished and done for us, and the Father who loves us, and the Spirit who imparts this love to us.

In eternity future these three things will be the only subjects of our conversations.

Just imagine, a God who is so awesome that it will take an eternity to speak about all the wonderfulness He is to us.

The sad thing is, this will be good enough to fill an eternity, but it does not seem to be enough to fill even a third of the boards on these forums today.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

CJ
Your posts are exceedingly wordy. You would do well to observe posting etiquette by keeping your posts from becoming lengthy, rambling discourses.

Thanks OC, I'll take your concern under consideration, for anything that sharpens my response is only good.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

You go girl!

• OC declares intent to no longer defile God's Holy Name by indulging in unChristian attacks on a Christian board
  CJ calls OC "vain" for saying so,and declares that God's Name cannot be defiled
  OC posts 2 scriptures as proof that God says His Name can indeed be defiled
  CJ argues that my scriptures were Old Covenant shadows.

First error on your part OC, for cj said far more than that.

In that Old Covenant, argues CJ
the nation of Israel was in God's eyes to the people on this earth; Israel was a visible/human testimony of God, when the nations looked at Israel they were suppose to see God on the earth. In other words, they carried the Name of God as their own.

CJ is saying that this is distinctive from the New Covenant.

Peter, quoting the Old Covenant, Exodus 19:6, differs with CJ (or should I say CJ differs with Peter?)

No, Peter and cj are not so different in what you are referring to OC. What is your veil in seeing this is that you understand Peter's speaking in the poor light of the false doctrines you hold to. As we will see in the following.......

These words were given to New Covenant people. So were these:

1 Peter 2:9-10
But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

2 Thessalonians 1:12
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes they certainly were.

So we have the power, by His grace, to glorify the Name. But can we blaspheme (a form of defilement) the Name?

Ahhha, now we're getting somewhere; we've moved from a generalization to a specific. This is a wonderful step up for a religionist folks.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

(But can we blaspheme (a form of defilement) the Name?)...... Yes- by failing to act in a matter that brings glory to His Name

"... in a matter that brings glory to His name", or in a MANNER that brings glory to His name?

Are there only certain matters that bring glory to God's name, or is there a certain kind of living and being that glorifies His name OC?

What does scripture say?

I'll tell you, in all things,........ ALL THINGS, and not as OC says, "in a matter that brings glory to His Name."

Ask yourself folks, what do you think those who knew Paul in his bonds in Rome were saying about the God he served?

I'll tell you,... or better yet, let Paul himself tell us....

2 Timothy 1:15, "This you know, that all who are in Asia turned away from me, of whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes."

2 Timothy 4:10, "For Demas has andoned me, having loved the present age, and has gone to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia; Titus to Dalmatia."

2 Timothy 4:14, "Alexander the coppersmith did many evil things to me; the Lord will recompense him according to his works."

And some of the saddest words a man can speak......

2 Timothy 4:14, "At my first defense no one was with me to support me, but all abandoned me. May it not be counted against them."

So, what do you think was being said about the God Paul served?

Negative things right? Or perhaps horrible things?

And yet, it was God Himself who put Paul in his imprison state.

On could say that it looked like God was setting Himself up to be mocked by men. Even men who were saved, born-again believers such as Titus, a brother that Paul had left in Crete to establish the eldership in the churches.

See saints, we must always remember that God's ways are not our ways and most of the time we don't have a clue about what's really going on.



OC declares that he is doing something to glorify God's name. This sounds good. But if OC is declaring this out of a vain heart, no matter how good it sounds, in God's view its dark and evil.


This is how a believer is the safest when it comes to not "defiling" God's name....... shut the yapper. Or at least limit the yapper.

God does not seperate one of our sins from another of our sins, to Him its all just sin.

So if we declare that we will not "defile" over here and yet go over there and "defile", what's the difference, its the same thing, nothing's changed.

But I digress......

Also, I don't want a long post so I'll end her and pick up in another post.


In love,
cj

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Luke 6:43-46
For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

In keeping with posting etiquette, I will summarize, rather than respond point by point:

response

You go girl!

Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

These words can speak for themselves without my commentary.
by the grace of God
James

 

[Orthodoxy]

where Christianity has been reduced to bumper sticker slogans and one line ditties of condemnation. Hey cj got a fish on the butt of your donkey? Maybe a bumpersticker that says "not perfect just forgiven" eh?

And "Orthodoxy" is what, not a slogan?

The word orthodox is an adjective that discribes a noun. Ortho means Straight or correct. Doxy means worship or belief. Thus the word orthodox proceeds the noun "Church" or "Christian". Orthodox Christian is a correct believing Christian. The Orthodox Church is the correct wortshipping Church. The word orthodox was used in the 3rd century.

Now do you have a fish on the bu** of your donkey?

[quote:ae215]You don't even understand your own condition yet accuse others of that from which you also suffer.

I have not accused anyone of anything, doc.

Your speaking is a sad thing to watch take place.

Hit the iggy button then.

And this is what I do, I respond to the content of a persons post.

You have yet to answer my questions even though you said you would. I am still waiting for you to tell me what I believe that makes me apostate considering "believe" is the whole foundation of your protestant christian faith. What do I believe about the person of Jesus Christ that makes me apostate?

Understand this, I am convinced that religiousity is absolutely against the work of God on the earth today and therefore against the Person of Christ. And I further know that the scriptures tell us this.

I am certain in your own understanding that is truth.

Additionally, and inline with what the scriptures say, anything that is against the work of God, against the Person of Christ, is to be considered as an expression of darkness. And an expression of darkness is an expression of the kingdom of God's adversary. This is what the bible says.

I agree this is why I do not think you are a christian and your making things up.

Considering this, what I do is read what is written in posts and respond to the expressed darkness or the expressed light that is found in the content of these posts, speaking what I know to be the truth concerning what is being expressed.

Funny. I have not seen you address the meat and substance of any of my posts and continue to draw the debate to personal level. Instead of debating you divert to side issues that are moot. Like you are now. You did not address any questions but only went into a tirade on how stupid I am for not agreeing with your tirades. Silly.

If therefore I attack anything it is the expression of darkness that I attack, and in doing so attack the source of this darkness.

Yes it is plain you are the attacker.

Fact is, I have a very clear focus regarding my motive and my speaking. Not perfect, but clear. And getting more clear as the days go by.

I am certain the fog is clearing for you.

And how can it be clear but not perfect?

Got me. It is your brain. Heal thy self, doc.

Because as an individual alone, I have only a limited measure of God's speaking, but as an individual submitted to the Spirit working through the body, such as is seen in the authority on these boards, my sight is clear.

I could have sworn you were the mouth piece of the Almighty, this must be the proof.

I'm not perfect, but I believe the body speaking is. And there are two things that God honors, listening to the body speak, and and having a view to the building of the body.

How come you are a body of one but the Church is many not one? Interesting. The mouth that roared.

What the body speaks is for the building of the body. This is God's only economy on the earth today. And I try my best to be submitted to it.

Nothing you have said edifies the body I am a member. It would certainly appear you are connected to a body that doesnt resemble the Christian body for that body is in agreement and has all things in common. The Holy Orthodox Church has nothing in common with you it would appear.

And the thing is, both you and OC understand this principle, and further, submit to its working in the religion you hold to. Yet, in this we can see hypocrisy exposed; for you agree with the principle of given authority in one environment yet you whine against its working in another environment.

I recognize you with no authority what so ever. I see you as a sounding gong, a cymbil of noise and confusion. A band of one with no conductor. Finger nails on a black board.

Tell me, the the lords over int the "orthodox" apostate institution spoke something to you, would you dare call them out on it?

How do you think I became orthodox? I questioned the authority of the Church like a pharisee questioning Jesus. You remind me of me. A pharisee trying to entrap the Church so you can make railing accusations. It is to be expected. I find it laughable.

Nah, you'd hold your tongue even if you believed they were in error.

A mind reader now. Nope you would be wrong. I question everything then investigate and study it until I understand the issue. You might do well to investigate the unknown that way you will not be living in fear.

But here, you go even to the extent of insulting the authority God has given to these boards.

Jesus Christ gave all the authority to internet forums? Really? Where is Jesus seen in the bible using a computer and sending a computer has His Father sent Him? I cant find the words "Christian Forum" any where in the bible linking it with any authority what so ever. You certainly have no authority over me in the Christian faith to be certain. Maybe this is why you fear us, you have no power over us. :smt102

And this is what I mean when I say you have no clue as to condition of your being.

Thanks doc but I need a real physician not a fraud to tell me my ailments.

Orthodoxy, the easiest way to stop me speaking in response to what you say is for you yourself to stop speaking.

Ever thought about that?

Well there is another way. Just answer my questions about the Christian faith you claim so proudly. It would be easier than continuing your rant. Of course you would be happy if we orthodox left the site all together then you could spread your propaganda unabated. I think I will hang out.

In fact, this is the very thought behind the scriptures telling us to speak less and listen more.

This post is rather long winded itself. You repeated things over and over. I guess if a lie is spoken enough it eventually will become truth, you hope.

Think about it, if there is nothing about the apostate religions on these boards then I would have nothing to say about this matter.

Yes if everyone was orthodox then there would be complete agreement and oneness of faith. It is you that has the faith based on rebellion. You faith is based on hating Catholics. Anti Catholic based faith is not Christian.

I don't do it because I like doing it. What I enjoy most is discussing the Lord Jesus and all that He has accomplished and done for us, and the Father who loves us, and the Spirit who imparts this love to us.

Which Lord Jesus Christ? The Jesus of John 20:21-23? The Jesus of Matthew 18? Your version of Jesus completely contradicts the one speaking in these verses. You have a spirit but I question its holiness in your rebellion to authority. Your jesus has done nothing for anyone but you.

In eternity future these three things will be the only subjects of our conversations.

Just imagine, a God who is so awesome that it will take an eternity to speak about all the wonderfulness He is to us.

The sad thing is, this will be good enough to fill an eternity, but it does not seem to be enough to fill even a third of the boards on these forums today.

[/quote:ae215]

I thought the bible explained it all? please make up your mind if God is bigger than a book or not cj.


In love,

Orthodoxy