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2nd Timothy Group said:
Absolutely there is a Plan. And why is it Mysterious? This is the hidden layer of the Gospel that few seem to understand.

Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."

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My post was directed at journeyman's post :)
 
I'm new here but first glance it seems you are a know it all which means you are prideful, tsk tsk tsk. Forgive me if i am wrong.:)
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Yes, but this makes him out to be a being that only cares about his own. There are lots of people like this out there and he is not one of them. There are those who are angry if their son is insulted but not if other boys are. The reason is because they care only about their own. They do not care about injustice per se, just if it touches them. God is not like that.

God hates injustice because it is wrong, not because it touches his own. There are beings in an other kingdom who do not belong to him. There are men who consider themselves and likely are, belonging to the kingdom of darkness. They do not belong to him by choice. God still hates it when they suffer injustice. God hates it because it is wrong, not because it touches that which belongs to him. See the difference?
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It's obvious God loves sinners. Christs' ministry proves tha, for to care about people who hated him is just mind blowing.
He owns all people.
 
ilovejcsog said:
Wasn't it Gods plan that his son would die to save us from our sins?
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In the sense of showing mercy towards sinners who hated him, certainly. Jesus could have killed his tormentors with a wave of his hand.
Our Father wasn't happy about how his Son was treated. He was happy about how Jesus responded in love toward those who treated him shamefully.
 
ilovejcsog said:
My point being, why he would be angry at his own plan?
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God is angry at those who despise his plan,

They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Mt.21:37-41
 
journeyman said:
In the sense of showing mercy towards sinners who hated him, certainly. Jesus could have killed his tormentors with a wave of his hand.
Our Father wasn't happy about how his Son was treated. He was happy about how Jesus responded in love toward those who treated him shamefully.
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Our Father isn't happy about how a great many of people are treated, those who are his and those who are not. He is not unhappy only about Jesus being unjustly treated. He is better than that.
 
journeyman said:
God is angry at those who despise his plan,

They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Mt.21:37-41
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Where does that verse say those men "despised his plan?" Where is his anger directed at an attitude in those verses? God was loving enough to send his son to help those men and he killed them. By the way, the purpose of this parable is to give warning to what would happen to those people, those very ones, who killed the son. It happened in 70 AD and this was the warning. Despising the plan was not the problem, killing the son was.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Our Father isn't happy about how a great many of people are treated, those who are his and those who are not. He is not unhappy only about Jesus being unjustly treated. He is better than that.
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Of course God is also displeased with how his creation is mistreated, but lets keep the focus on the true gospel, which is how God himself showed loving kindness to people who despised him,

they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. Psa.109:5
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Where does that verse say those men "despised his plan?" Where is his anger directed at an attitude in those verses? God was loving enough to send his son to help those men and he killed them.
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His plan was for his Son to be honored. I've shown from what Jesus taught where murder comes from.
Dorothy Mae said:
By the way, the purpose of this parable is to give warning to what would happen to those people, those very ones, who killed the son. It happened in 70 AD and this was the warning. Despising the plan was not the problem, killing the son was.
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Our Savior gave people who hated him time to repent and many did.
 
journeyman said:
His plan was for his Son to be honored. I've shown from what Jesus taught where murder comes from.

Our Savior gave people who hated him time to repent and many did.
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Can you please point out the scripture that says his plan was for his Son to be honored as the major reason for sending him and was he surprised that this did not happen?

Actually he wanted people to repent of the sin they were doing to other people. His main goal is that we do justly and love mercy and walk humbly with him not honor his son as though he were a mafioso Boss whose son you had been not cross. Your picture of him does not do him honor.
 
journeyman said:
Of course God is also displeased with how his creation is mistreated, but lets keep the focus on the true gospel, which is how God himself showed loving kindness to people who despised him,

they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. Psa.109:5
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Actually his more displeases with how his creatures and treating fellow creatures, not the creation as a whole. The Gospel is the good news of forgiveness so man can walk with God. He is not mainly concerned with his reputation in the world for honor's sake. And yes, he gives good for evil up to a point as we are supposed to do. It is walking in holiness.
 
journeyman said:
Acutally, all of them,

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Mt.15:19
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Which give birth to evil deeds. If a man only thinks about sin but resists it, that is not the same thing as sin that is mainly in the thoughts. Murder is hatred. Pornography is lust. Blasphemies is nothing if not spoken. False witness is nothing if not spoken. Theft is nothing is not acted upon. Adultery is nothing is resisted. It says sin is come out of the heart (but not eating without washing your hands) but that does not mean it is only a matter of the heart and thinking about stealing and refusing to do so is the same as thinking about it and doing it.
 
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