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Dorothy Mae said:
Can you please point out the scripture that says his plan was for his Son to be honored as the major reason for sending him
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Sure,

when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb.1:6

that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father Jn.5:23

Having yet therefore one son, his well beloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying,They will reverence my son. Mk.12:6
Dorothy Mae said:
and was he surprised that this did not happen?
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God is never surprised,

the taunts with which your enemies, LORD, have mocked, with which they have mocked every step of your anointed one. Psa.89:51
Dorothy Mae said:
Actually he wanted people to repent of the sin they were doing to other people.
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All sin is against God.
Dorothy Mae said:
His main goal is that we do justly and love mercy and walk humbly with him not honor his son as though he were a mafioso Boss whose son you had been not cross. Your picture of him does not do him honor.
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I never said Jesus should be honored out of fear, like Al Capone. I did say Jesus should be honored for continuing to love sinners, in spite of the miserable way he was abused by them.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
He is not mainly concerned with his reputation in the world for honor's sake.
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Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. Eze.36:22

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Mt.5:16
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Which give birth to evil deeds. If a man only thinks about sin but resists it, that is not the same thing as sin that is mainly in the thoughts. Murder is hatred. Pornography is lust. Blasphemies is nothing if not spoken. False witness is nothing if not spoken. Theft is nothing is not acted upon. Adultery is nothing is resisted. It says sin is come out of the heart (but not eating without washing your hands) but that does not mean it is only a matter of the heart and thinking about stealing and refusing to do so is the same as thinking about it and doing it.
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I never said resisting temptation is the same as sin. I never intimated God is like John Gotti.
I think your idea that, "He is not mainly concerned with his reputation in the world for honor's sake", is no different than what atheists believe.
 
journeyman said:
I never said resisting temptation is the same as sin. I never intimated God is like John Gotti.
I think your idea that, "He is not mainly concerned with his reputation in the world for honor's sake", is no different than what atheists believe.
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Atheists don’t believe He is there by definition let alone what He is concerned with.
 
journeyman said:
I'm not,

out of the heart proceed evil thoughts Mt.15:19

Anyone can ask our Lord for a new heart
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Do you see a correlation between the below two passages?

2 Timothy 2:26 NKJV - ". . . and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to [do] his will."

Paul describes what it was like prior to his Spiritual Circumcision:
Romans 7:20 NLT - "But if I do what I don't want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it."
 
2nd Timothy Group said:
Do you see a correlation between the below two passages?

2 Timothy 2:26 NKJV - ". . . and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to [do] his will."

Paul describes what it was like prior to his Spiritual Circumcision:
Romans 7:20 NLT - "But if I do what I don't want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it."
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Those passages agree.
In 2Tim.2:26, Paul says people can come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil.
In Rom.7:20, Paul is referring back to,

when we were in the flesh vs.5.

He's teaching Jewish believers in the Roman congregation (vs.1) how the law condemns them. So when he says, "I don't want to sin, but I can't help it", he means when he lived by the letter of the law,

I thank God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord; so then, I myself indeed with the mind do serve the law of God, and with the flesh, the law of sin. vs.25

Paul isn't saying he serves God, but lives in sin.
 
journeyman said:
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. Eze.36:22
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So where is this his priority or sole value?

His first covenant with a man didn’t include that man needing to tell the world how great He is.
journeyman said:
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Mt.5:16
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journeyman said:
And for a professing believer, thinking his name isn't priority #1 is contemptable.
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Your position is He is primarily interested in Himself and His reputation and less interested in loving others. What is actually contemptible here?
 
journeyman said:
Those passages agree.
In 2Tim.2:26, Paul says people can come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil.
In Rom.7:20, Paul is referring back to,

when we were in the flesh vs.5.

He's teaching Jewish believers in the Roman congregation (vs.1) how the law condemns them. So when he says, "I don't want to sin, but I can't help it", he means when he lived by the letter of the law,

I thank God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord; so then, I myself indeed with the mind do serve the law of God, and with the flesh, the law of sin. vs.25

Paul isn't saying he serves God, but lives in sin.
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Okie doke. We'll, I'm having a tough time keeping us "on track," so I'm going to bow out of this conversation.

Have a great day!
 
Dorothy Mae said:
So where is this his priority or sole value?

His first covenant with a man didn’t include that man needing to tell the world how great He is.
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Actually it did and for the woman also, because in Gen.3, the woman represents the church,

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen.3:16

He's speaking spiritually of increasing the church,

My little children, of whom I travail in birth Gal.4:19

And Adam would labor in sweat tilling the ground,

Behold, a sower went forth to sow Mt.13:3

It's foolish to imagine people enter Gods' kingdom, without hearing about his greatness.
Dorothy Mae said:
Your position is He is primarily interested in Himself and His reputation and less interested in loving others. What is actually contemptible here?
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His reputation is the result of loving others and failing to acknowledge that is contemptable.

A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Lk.2:32
 
2nd Timothy Group said:
Okie doke. We'll, I'm having a tough time keeping us "on track," so I'm going to bow out of this conversation.

Have a great day!
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Okay.
For anyone else who wants to stay on track,

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom.7:20

Paul simply acknowledges if he commits sin, he's not "doing it" (keeping the law.)

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Phil.3:6

Again, referring to his prior misconception in Judaism, as those who persecute others aren't blameless according to the law.
 
journeyman said:
Actually it did and for the woman also, because in Gen.3, the woman represents the church,

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen.3:16
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That was a punishment, not a covenant and God did not tell her to glorify Himself.
journeyman said:
He's speaking spiritually of increasing the church,

My little children, of whom I travail in birth Gal.4:19

And Adam would labor in sweat tilling the ground,

Behold, a sower went forth to sow Mt.13:3

It's foolish to imagine people enter Gods' kingdom, without hearing about his greatness.
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Who said that? But that is not God's major concern, that everyone think He is great.
journeyman said:
His reputation is the result of loving others and failing to acknowledge that is contemptable.
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He does not think so, just you do.
journeyman said:
A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Lk.2:32
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That was the promise although in this passage, we do not see in that passage that the Gentiles and Israel need to be telling God He is great as their number one pastime or they are "contemptible."
 
Dorothy Mae said:
that the Gentiles and Israel need to be telling God He is great as their number one pastime or they are "contemptible."
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Christians shouldn't feel like they have to. They should want to,

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev.5:13

I'm glad you questioned this issue, because truth is, only the devil and his kind think it's not important to praise our Savior daily.
 
journeyman said:
a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: Pro.24:16

We're all learning,

Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. Mic.7:8
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Thank you! The one thing I refuse to do, though, is become angry with myself. Self-anger is still being self-centered, and quite frankly, others need help. So, at least I've been given that gift. It seems worthwhile to consider that if God really has a Plan for our lives, why would we become upset . . . with anything? Why fight life? Why fight anything at all?

Who is in control?

:D
 
journeyman said:
Christians shouldn't feel like they have to. They should want to,
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Well I don’t read Jesus telling us to tell God He is great.
journeyman said:
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev.5:13
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That is what they said. Very different than modern “worship” songs. No one sang of themselves, their feelings and how much God loves them.
journeyman said:
I'm glad you questioned this issue, because truth is, only the devil and his kind think it's not important to praise our Savior daily.
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Well, obedience is the highest form of praise. Anyone can say words.
 
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