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Pagan roots of Christmas & Easter

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MrVersatile48

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See Hislop thread, click link to contents, scroll down to those pagan festivals

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You show me what is not pagan. The Olympics is a throw back to ancient pagan worship festival. Football, baseball, wrestling, car races are all throwbacks to the blood sports and fertility blood rites as were the gladiatorial fights of the Romans. Wearing neckties amounts to pagan male organ symbolism and fertility rites of the Druids. There is nothing that is untainted. Looking to be perfect is not salvation. It is GOD who turns EVIL into GOOD for those who love the LORD and are drawn to HIS purpose. The celebration of GOD's gift to a dying world is what makes Christmas good. GOD's sacrifice for a condemned world is what makes Easter good. READ ROMANS Chapter 14. Pay close attention to verses 5 & 6. Christ has freed the saved individual from bondage. If I do not esteem Christmas to be a pagan holiday, it isn't a pagan holiday for me. If I do not esteem Easter to be a pagan holiday, it isn't a pagan holiday for me. If one is on a search for paganism, he will find it everywhere. If a man is looking for truth, it maybe revealed through what once was paganism for another. For one the stars are the symbols of the Zodiac to another they represent GOD's creation. Look to establish the LORD JESUS CHRIST in everything you do and evil will flee.......... But live in fear of finding evil and evil will find you.
 
Did you know that Paul quotes pagan sages when he says "in him we live and move and have our being". Those whom he spoke to in Athens recognized their words. When he speaks about "kicking at the goads" as well that is a pagan sage saying. Paganism has virgin births before Christ, etc. etc. Christ did not come to do away with all he came to redeem it for the good.
 
MrVersatile, what harm comes from Christians celebrating Christmas?

I think many Christians are well aware of the harm of taking Christ out of Christmas. Maybe you think they're nuts?
 
To attribute a 'date' that is INCORRECT is nothing different than carving statues of a man that NO ONE knows His appearance. EMPTY shells at best. At worst, false idols of adulterous worship.

If one is unable to understand the 'harm' in worshiping 'false idols' then I agree with you, what difference does it make. BUT, when one comes to the understanding as offered BY GOD, then are they able to understand JUST how dangerous it IS to offer false worship.

Saturnalia WAS a pagan holiday that the Roman Church was AFRAID was SO important to the masses that if they were to END it in the 'name of Christianity', the people might NOT accept this new religion. Therefore their answer to this delima was to simply 'change the name' of this celebration and it became Christmas.

We do NOT know the date of Christs' birth. Regardless of the attempts to 'prove it' by 'so called' scholars, it was NOT given to us for a 'reason'. I believe this 'reason' is EXACTLY what has happened. God knew that if the exact date HAD been offered, as man does with EVERYTHING left in 'his hands' it would be perverted into some symblance of the truth but frought with untruth. God feared that man would simply turn Christs' birthdate into a mockery of HIS SON and the sacrifice that He made. And look what has been done to this, what SHOULD be, the most holy of days; Santa Clause, reindeers, snowmen, etc.......... Christ has ALL but BEEN removed or replaced in Christmas. It's now mostly refered to as Xmas, thus actually TAKING Christ OUT OF CHRISTMAS. We NOW celibrate the SEASON. Not JUST ONE DAY, but most celibrate for MOST Of the MONTH of December. As in Roman times, Saturnalia was celebrated for a WEEK.

So, the danger is in the WORSHIP of false days or false idols. It's simple really. Not much different than changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. It just basically rebelion against God for OUR OWN sakes.

MEC
 
Imagican said:
To attribute a 'date' that is INCORRECT is nothing different than carving statues of a man that NO ONE knows His appearance. EMPTY shells at best. At worst, false idols of adulterous worship.

If one is unable to understand the 'harm' in worshiping 'false idols' then I agree with you, what difference does it make.
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Celebrating Christmas on the incorrect date is no more idolatry than celebrating it on the correct date, if we knew it. We celebrate Christ's birth, not a number on a calendar. What logic are you using?

Calling Christmas idolatry is avoiding the question. If it's idolatry, then show that Christmas causes the harm that idolatry causes.

Saturnalia WAS a pagan holiday that the Roman Church was AFRAID was SO important to the masses that if they were to END it in the 'name of Christianity', the people might NOT accept this new religion. Therefore their answer to this delima was to simply 'change the name' of this celebration and it became Christmas.
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Praise God, Christians pulled the rug out from under the pagans. Too bad misguided people like you want to help the Pagans stand up again.

Regardless of the attempts to 'prove it' by 'so called' scholars, it was NOT given to us for a 'reason'.
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Do you celebrate the Lord's supper? The date for that isn't given. Your reasoning has no reason in it. You have no reason to believe that date isn't given because we weren't to celebrate Christ's birth.

God feared that man would simply turn Christs' birthdate into a mockery of HIS SON and the sacrifice that He made. And look what has been done to this, what SHOULD be, the most holy of days; Santa Clause, reindeers, snowmen, etc.......... Christ has ALL but BEEN removed or replaced in Christmas. It's now mostly refered to as Xmas, thus actually TAKING Christ OUT OF CHRISTMAS.
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That's what makes your position so insane. You're actually wanting to take Christ out of Christmas yourself. You want to contribute to every fault you find in Christmas.

BTW, I don't see anything wrong with some fun and festive decorations in celebrating Christ's birth. Celebrations are suppose to be fun. I suspect you're one of those people who refuse to believe Jesus made real wine at a wedding celebration. You act like you want to treat Christ's birth like a funeral - that might be Satan's position.

Now, please try to answer my questions:
1) How does celebrating Christmas cause harm?
2) How does getting Christians to abandon Christmas help?

Christmas helps by raising Christ's profile. It gets people into churches. It's an opportunity for us to remind people that Jesus is the reason for the season.

Having Christians abandon Christmas turns Christmas into a pagan holiday (where the word "Christmas" in increasingly not used). It makes Christmas a pagan celebration, and just another part of the pagan American culture where Jesus has been removed, like Jesus was removed from the classroom How can you call yourself a Christian and want this?
 
Poke said:
Now, please try to answer my questions:
1) How does celebrating Christmas cause harm?
2) How does getting Christians to abandon Christmas help?
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I'll give my opinion fwiw...

1. It takes the focus off of the 7 feast days of the Lord...The greatest evidence supports that Jesus was born during the Feast of Tabernacles (Fall). It has been Chrisitanity's antisemitic goal for all Christians to shun anything Jewish...Here is the big problem....The 7 feast days are a blueprint of God's prophetic timetable for man...Celebrating Jesus' birthday on a Pagan festival day instead of it's proper time (Tabernacles), accomplishes the devil's purpose....
2. By getting Christians to recognize the right time of year (Tabernacles) for the birth of Christ, they may understand that they are still required to obey God's Law...
 
Interesting post George.

Do you celebrate the Lord's supper? The date for that isn't given. Your reasoning has no reason in it. You have no reason to believe that date isn't given because we weren't to celebrate Christ's birth.
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The fact here is this IS ordained and there is no particular date either.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.

Find me a Christmas verse.
 
Ok Poke, you bit and I'll reel.

Here's the HARM. If the day that is celebrated as Christmas has NOTHING to do with Christ to START with other than a pagan ROOT, then THAT IS the harm in it. You could CALL Satan Christ and worship him AS Christ in the EXACT SAME MANNER. So, celebrating a pagan holiday in the name of Christ is NOT what God would choose for us to do. Is this NOT OBVIOUS? Carving a statue of a 'dog' and calling it God does NOT make it God. Yet you are CAPABLE of doing just that if you choose. Do you NOT see harm in that?

God had demanded of HIS PEOPLE and those that are Gentiles that they SEPARATE themselves from the World. As you have indicated, you are MORE than willing to play YOUR part in the world and don't even understand the 'harm' in it. So, I will offer that if you don't understand, perhaps you weren't 'meant' to understand and if what I have offered is not what you are able to see, so be it. But I have the 'truth' to back my statements and all you offer is the opinion of the world. For the world LOVES Christmas. WAY more than they've ever loved the namesake.

Now, the proof is readily available concerning the formation of Christmas and why. All you need do is seek and you WILL find. And your defense just goes to show how deeply you have been lured into the false sense of Christmas truly having ANYTHING to do with Christ. Did you know that when the anti-Christ appears, there's a REALLY REALLY good chance that he will CALL HIMSELF CHRIST. And, what's MORE important, the WORLD WILL ACCEPT HIM AS CHRIST. Mainly through deceptions such as Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and an attitude that ANYTHING that is 'associated with the name Christ' is OK. That is what the churches have offered mankind and that is exactly what will bring them to worship Satan in the flesh. Complacency is NOT Christian. Neither is the lazy libralism that has infiltrated the churches. Right IS right and WRONG is wrong no matter whether you choose to accept it or not.

MEC
 
Oh, and Poke, I hessitate at times to even call myself a Christian for the simple FACT that I do not want to be confused with those that 'play the Christian 'game'. Those that believe they are somehow 'better' than others and that they are doing the 'right' things. Foolishness. For all this could POSIBLY be is foolish pride. Those that 'truly' celibrate the Savior do it EVERYDAY and in EVERYWAY that He offered as example. Not with words or celibrations, but with love and charity to ALL that they come in contact with.

And one more thing: paganism is more prevalent today than it EVER has been in the history of man's relationship with God. And it will ONLY get worse and worse until the end.


Bless you my brother,

MEC
 
vic said:
Do you celebrate the Lord's supper? The date for that isn't given. Your reasoning has no reason in it. You have no reason to believe that date isn't given because we weren't to celebrate Christ's birth.
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The fact here is this IS ordained and there is no particular date either.
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I was proving Imagican wrong about his claim that not giving the date means we shouldn't celebrate something. My proof wouldn't have worked if you and him don't think we're not suppose to practice the Lord's Supper. Comprender.

Find me a Christmas verse.
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Try Matthew 1:18 through Matthew 2.
 
Georges said:
1. It takes the focus off of the 7 feast days of the Lord...The greatest evidence supports that Jesus was born during the Feast of Tabernacles (Fall). It has been Chrisitanity's antisemitic goal for all Christians to shun anything Jewish...Here is the big problem....The 7 feast days are a blueprint of God's prophetic timetable for man...Celebrating Jesus' birthday on a Pagan festival day instead of it's proper time (Tabernacles), accomplishes the devil's purpose....
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Your post looks more like anti-christian bigotry that any attempt at legitimate argument. Christianity isn't suppose to be philosemitic. Christmas never displaced in the church the Feast of Tabernacles (which pretty much guts your argument as to how Christmas has caused any harm). It is not the practice of the Christian to celebrate the trappings that look forward to the coming of Christ.

I also see no evidence that Jesus was born during the Feast of Tabernacles. So, what you really want to do is substitute one arbitrary day for another. And, that would still do the devil's work (zionists belong to Satan) in turning Christmas, December 25, into a pagan day, further removing God from our culture - a point you and your comrades have been all too happy to ignore.
 
Imagican said:
Here's the HARM. If the day that is celebrated as Christmas has NOTHING to do with Christ to START with other than a pagan ROOT, then THAT IS the harm in it.
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Your argument about the date of Christmas has been refuted, repeating, and repeating, yourself does not address the refutation.

You could CALL Satan Christ and worship him AS Christ in the EXACT SAME MANNER.
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You could also do that on any Sunday of the year, call Satan Christ and worship in the same matter. In fact, Zionists do it all the time. Your argument is not an argument.

God had demanded of HIS PEOPLE and those that are Gentiles that they SEPARATE themselves from the World.
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Christians are God's chosen people, not Jews. If you're going to be in a Christian forum, you should at least make yourself familiar with basic Christian doctrine, whether or not you continue to attack Christians and their practices.

But I have the 'truth' to back my statements and all you offer is the opinion of the world. For the world LOVES Christmas. WAY more than they've ever loved the namesake.
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The world's love of Christmas is awesome advertising for Christ. I think that's why you object to Christmas. The world would also like to take Christ out of Christmas, you you're doing your share to help with that.

I hessitate at times to even call myself a Christian for the simple FACT that I do not want to be confused with those that 'play the Christian 'game'.
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Why don't you just formally convert to a descendant of Judah?
 
So Poke, you reject the OT? The NT too? For the twelve tribes of Israel are STILL God's chosen people.

What I reject are those that 'pretend' to be Christians while offering NO LOVE to their 'true' God or their neighbors. What I reject are the churches of 'the World'. And what I reject about 'Christmas' is the 'way' it has been turned into a 'carnival' instead of the honored and venerated day it should be IF it were 'truly' the 'day' in which Christ was born.

And Poke, Christ existed BEFORE His appearance on this planet. As far as we know He was 'born' at a time BEFORE we had even 'created' a calendar. If it were meant that we should celebrate His birth, don't you 'think' that God would have revealed this date to us? Instead, you choose to celebrate a holiday created by a pagan people that simply changed the name of their pagan festival to Christ's mass/ Christmas. And what about the 'name' itself, Christmas? Doesn't that make your skin crawl. Instead of 'truly' celebrating the birth of Christ, those that accept it, celebrate Christ's MASS. Don't you see that this has NOTHING to do with His birthdate?

And the advertising that you seem so fond of, in my opinion, offers NO respect or honor to Christ. It belittles if ANYTHING.

MEC
 
Pagan Additions To The 'Finishred' Feast Day

Celebrate this?
you guys all believe that the ten Commandments are O.T. stuff, until you come to the laws that are from the pen of Moses. Then you are in a bind! Notice Deuteronomy 31:9-11 then on up to the verses of Deuteronomy 31:24-26 "And Moses wrote this law..." "Take this book of the law, and put it in [the side] of the Ark.." (not inside) What was, & is inside the Ark dear friend? Revelation 11:19.

There was nothing in the Ark save the two tables of stone! 1Kings 8:9

The law of Moses are these seen in 2 Chronicles 8:13. "Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandments of Moses, on the Sabbaths, ('s') and on the new moons and on the [solemn feasts], three times in the year, even in the feast of [unleavened bread], and in the feast of the tabernacles."

You say that all law is nailed to the cross & then tell us that we need to keep an Easter instead, because of a resurrection? Lets check Acts 12:1-5?

Notice verse one. Herod the king was to vex the church. Which church was Peter a member of? Israel of old, or Christ' new offshoot? Verse 5 tells us Peter was locked up by his former friends request? (even Peter, Romes professed pope didn't know anything about this later to come, FINISHED FEAST DAY with pagan eggs & bunnies)

Notice who were KEEPING the.. 'days of unleavened bread' (v.3) Now called Easter for the first & only time. It [WAS NOT PETER keeping this day, he was in jail!]
"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison,...[intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.]" v. 4 And remember that in verse 1-3 the church was vexed & James was killed, ...it pleased
the [Jews who were keeping this feast day] you call Easter!

Whose side are you folk on friend? You still want to destroy the Royal Law that is still inside the Ark in heaven try Rev. 11:19 again, & Revelation 22:8-9. (All heaven keep the Word of God! All 66 Books Ecclesiastes 3:14)

Two separate laws. One used to lead us to Christ, then the other one, the very LETTER or 'Epistle' of His Character to be re/created into the heart, This is the one 's'atan wants to 'void' out! 2Cor. 3:3 & try Rom. 3:13

Christ' death did away with the law that Moses wrote, the one that you all now, want to keep! And Paul talks about a 'new gospel' in Gal.1:6-9..
'another gospel...which [is not] another...there be some that trouble you and [pervert] the gospel of Christ...accursed...If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, [let him be accursed.]" And again, it all started with the anti/Christ. Desolate Israel Feast day, & antiChrist Rome, it took both to execute Christ & bring in this pagan day festivities.

"I am afraid of you...Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years."! (all plural) You have repeated the exact same history as God requireth, only are now on the wrong side of the Everlasting Gospel!! Read all of Gal. 4:4-11. And in verse 19 of chapter 3 of Gal. it stated when Moses law would cease. And why it was added. Its service was used in the Sanctuary service to bring souls to Christ.

Can you be sure?
In Acts 15:1-24 you can be sure. "And certain men....taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the [manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved."]
Was that all? No. Hardly! verse two tells us that Paul & Barnabus went up to Jerusalem unto the elders and the apostles about this problem. But notice after they got there in verse 4. (this below is what you are doing also)
"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was (NO.1) needful to circumcise them , and (NO.2) to command them to [/u][keep the law of Moses.]" verse 5. This is exactly what the Catholic church & ALL her Harlot Daughters are doing!

A mistake? check verse 24!! "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, [subverting your souls,] (notice, Twice Again) saying, Ye must be circumcised, [and] keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:.."

Just some closing thoughts? Who will hear God? try 1 John 4:6 If a person will not look it up?.. the thought then comes to mind, that their thoughts will very soon, come to a halt. Obadiah 1:16
The closing thought takes us to the time of what your perverted gospel, calls the resurrection????

The offshoot denomination are all still keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath
commandment! It started at Fri. sundown & closed when?? Now Think!

SATURDAY AT SUNDOWN!! After Saturday sunset, the spices that had been all prepared beforehand, found the women [waiting for daylight?] You got to be off your Spiritual Rocker if you think so!! It is hard for a non/Christian to understand what anyone who loves their master would do, it seems? Well, 'i' will tell you what they did! (while the men were all in hiding for fear, fear from the 'keepers' of Moses law)

The women are recorded to proceed.."..as it [began to dawn] toward the first day of the week.." when was this? Verse 2-6 & v. 6 says, "He is not here: for he is risen.." It is a fact that Christ was gone already! 'Easter' sunrise? Hardly!! These ones who Loved Christ & who were keeping His Seventh-day Sabbath who WERE NOW DOCUMENTED DOING A WORK THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO BEFORE!! But again, when did they start this work sorrow?

Christ was gone well before daylight. Lets check another? But lets use the Apostates favorite, you never hear of these other passages in April, at least not in full context. "And when the Sabbath was past...And very early in the morning...they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Even this does not say
when the Master arose!

Another from Luke 24 in part. "Very early in the morning, they came ..
bringing spices which they had prepared..And they found the stone rolled away..And found not the body of the Lord Jesus." Again, the Evening & the Morning made the day, night first, and the light part last! What time was it? It is a Gospel Truth that Christ was already arisen BEFORE OUR Sunday HAD ANY SUNSHINE!

It seems that John who lived the longest, and who wrote the Rev. would
be able to give us a very good report? He was inspired to pen his words in John 20:1-21 giving us the total thoughts of the Godhead from both angles.
He tells us about the women coming to the tomb & where the men were? And why they were in hiding. And also about the time of day it really was, as found in John 20:1 & 19. In part it says,

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (notice the word EARLY again) when it was [yet dark,] unto the sepulchre, and seethe the stone taken away from the sepulchre." When it was yet dark & Christ was gone already!!!

Remember that John. wrote Rev. near 96 A.D. 27 yrs after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. He could have 'tidied' any previous understanding up, if it had been needed. The Holy Spirit 'brings things to our remembrance'!

Read on, for there was quite a commotion! We will continue on in verse 11. Mary is broken up & crying, and remember it is 'yet dark'
"and when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and she saw Jesus
standing, and [knew not] that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Again why did she not recognize him before? It was dark & she was weeping! (these were real tears friend!!)

Notice another point. Think about the thief on the cross which some say went straight into paradise that same day that he died? Remember that Jesus was in the grave nearly three day before his resurrection. In verse 17 He tells us that, "..Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father.." Yet, what day does the Gospel tell us that this was? Notice verse 19,

"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, where the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.." And some of the professed call this a worship service. But again verse one call this.. "while it was yet dark"! Here it is the same day, AND the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! Go slowly..it is dark, night, & Sunday. (Or Saturday Night as we know it.) Do you remember that the Sabbath was past at SUNSET? And in Gen. 1, the dark part comes first? The Gospel says that the 'evening and the morning were the first day.' try Gen. 1:5 & 8 & 13 & 19 & 23 & Gen. 2:2-3 man was created and the Sabbath given.

Is your message something new? Hardly!
"And he (satan-great whore) shall speak great words against the most High....and think to change times and laws.." Dan. 7:25

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that were against us..took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.."

You do [your] thing, (try Ephesians. 6:12) but re/read the Gospel, stating that, 's'atan will.."think to change times and laws." The 'Remnant' of Revelation 12:17 will have NO part with that! Then see Ezekiel 9! And the Remnant from where?? Yes, there was the Seventh-day Adventist R. & H. World Church paper reporting to have a Easter Sunrise service a short time ago, a hundred or so of them!
But God asks, "What is new? Nothing new under the sun." Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl.3:15

Pagan Easter? Not only pagan Easter, but pagan 'professed Sunday keeping' as well! And the Mark of the Beast will be this forced Worship of Sunday keeping! :sad

---John
 
Imagican said:
So Poke, you reject the OT? The NT too? For the twelve tribes of Israel are STILL God's chosen people.
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So, you reject the NT, which explicitly says that Christians are the chosen people, that God's promise was to Abraham through Christ, not through his offspring; jews are cut off for unbelief; those who reject Jesus belong to Satan. Even the OT calls Christians the chosen people (e.g. Isaiah 65:9).

It's no coincidence that those who say the Jews are God's chosen people are the psychopaths of the Christian community. For example, they're the ones who cheered Bush on as he lied America into war with Iraq. Satan is the father of lies who was a murderer from the beginning.

What I reject are those that 'pretend' to be Christians while offering NO LOVE to their 'true' God or their neighbors. What I reject are the churches of 'the World'. And what I reject about 'Christmas' is the 'way' it has been turned into a 'carnival' instead of the honored and venerated day it should be IF it were 'truly' the 'day' in which Christ was born.
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How many posts is this now that you still have not responded to the argument that you, yourself, are working to turn Christmas into a carnival by trying to take Christ out of it?

In any society where Christians are the majority and celebrate anything, the world is going to try to cash in. I'm sure it would be much more pleasing to you if Christianity were outlawed and only a few people were Christian and had to meet secrety. That would make you feel warm and holy all over. As for me, I think it's wondeful that Christianity has been such a success that the world wants in on it. Now, the job of a true Christian is to keep Christ in Christmas. The job of the anti-christians is to take Christ out of Christmas.

And Poke, Christ existed BEFORE His appearance on this planet. As far as we know He was 'born' at a time BEFORE we had even 'created' a calendar.
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What's your message to the magi who visited Jesus and brought gifts? "You're a bunch of idiots! Don't you know that Jesus existed BEFORE His appearance on this planet!"

And what about the 'name' itself, Christmas? Doesn't that make your skin crawl. Instead of 'truly' celebrating the birth of Christ, those that accept it, celebrate Christ's MASS. Don't you see that this has NOTHING to do with His birthdate?
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I'm not Catholic. The term "mass" doesn't mean anything to me. And, Christmas doesn't mean mass to me. The origin of something doesn't mean anything to me. What something is now, is what it means to me.
 
Poke said:
Imagican said:
So Poke, you reject the OT? The NT too? For the twelve tribes of Israel are STILL God's chosen people.
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So, you reject the NT, which explicitly says that Christians are the chosen people, that God's promise was to Abraham through Christ, not through his offspring; jews are cut off for unbelief; those who reject Jesus belong to Satan. Even the OT calls Christians the chosen people (e.g. Isaiah 65:9).

You CAN'T be serious. And just WHO do you suppose HE WAS and who do you suppose HE WAS WRITING TO? There were NO CHRISTIANS at the time to which you refer. No Poke, I simply reject the inerrant ramblings of those such as yourself that 'act' like they know something when in reality all they wish to do is ramble incoherent nonsense.

It's no coincidence that those who say the Jews are God's chosen people are the psychopaths of the Christian community. For example, they're the ones who cheered Bush on as he lied America into war with Iraq. Satan is the father of lies who was a murderer from the beginning.

Ok Poke, you obviously haven't read the Bible or understood what little you have read 'in' the Bible. For the sake of debate, (which I do enjoy quite a bit), let's GO TO THE WORD;

Romans 1:16

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Do you understand what this passage of the NT is saying? TO THE JEW FIRST. Now if the Jews are NOT God's chosen people 1. Why did Jesus come in the FLESH AS A JEW? 2. Why did Jesus state that He had come for the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL? 3. Why were ALL the apostles JEWS? You see, you ignorance has become manifest through your statements concerning something which you obviously know NOTHING about.


What I reject are those that 'pretend' to be Christians while offering NO LOVE to their 'true' God or their neighbors. What I reject are the churches of 'the World'. And what I reject about 'Christmas' is the 'way' it has been turned into a 'carnival' instead of the honored and venerated day it should be IF it were 'truly' the 'day' in which Christ was born.
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How many posts is this now that you still have not responded to the argument that you, yourself, are working to turn Christmas into a carnival by trying to take Christ out of it?

No Poke, IT'S ALREADY a carnival. I had NOTHING to do with it. And further more, refuse to have anything to do with it other than to warn others of it's detriment. You continue to LOVE Christmas and participate all you please, but you have also been warned.

In any society where Christians are the majority and celebrate anything, the world is going to try to cash in. I'm sure it would be much more pleasing to you if Christianity were outlawed and only a few people were Christian and had to meet secrety. That would make you feel warm and holy all over. As for me, I think it's wondeful that Christianity has been such a success that the world wants in on it. Now, the job of a true Christian is to keep Christ in Christmas. The job of the anti-christians is to take Christ out of Christmas.

NOPE Poke, What you seem so sure of is only in your own imagination. What would be most pleasing to me would be for those that CLAIM to be Christians to STAND UP and BE Christians. And from what you have offered so far, concerning your understanding of Christianity, I guess you think you have 'proven' that you know what a 'true Christians' job really IS. Funny man, you are.

[quote:060f2]And Poke, Christ existed BEFORE His appearance on this planet. As far as we know He was 'born' at a time BEFORE we had even 'created' a calendar.
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What's your message to the magi who visited Jesus and brought gifts? "You're a bunch of idiots! Don't you know that Jesus existed BEFORE His appearance on this planet!"

And this makes 'sense' to you. I am at a loss as to even how to answer such foolishness.

And what about the 'name' itself, Christmas? Doesn't that make your skin crawl. Instead of 'truly' celebrating the birth of Christ, those that accept it, celebrate Christ's MASS. Don't you see that this has NOTHING to do with His birthdate?
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I'm not Catholic. The term "mass" doesn't mean anything to me. And, Christmas doesn't mean mass to me. The origin of something doesn't mean anything to me. What something is now, is what it means to me.[/quote:060f2]

So, you readily admit that the 'truth' means NOTHING to you. It's simply a matter of 'having it YOUR way' that matters most of all. I get it.

God Bless you, my friend and have a nice day :o

And to my other brothers and sisters out there, forgive me for falling for this one. Should have known better to start with.


MEC
 
Can't we all just get along. And so another fight breaks out among the various protestant factions on this board. All claiming they have it right and the others are wrong. "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". Yet these contradicting factions can't all be rigth. It's sad. :crying:

Ever hear that old joke. I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.

I went to a Christian message board and a fight broke out. :-?
 
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