Polygyny and the Bible

[jasoncran]

Women are not the masters of men. Men are to lead women. So I don't understand what you mean.

Why would someone who follows God care what people in Nepal do?

Not all men are slaves to lust, and just because it isn't right for you doesn't mean it isn't right for everyone.

A child doesn't deserve as much attention as possible. They need to learn right from wrong, and to serve God. Giving your children as much attention as possible is a modern world philosophy.

really? so i should spend more time with my wife then my son who doesnt have a dad when my time at home is limited. i do this as MATER OF FACT BECAUSE OF LOVE, HE IS HER SEED BY HER DAUGHTER. SO IF LOVE HER I MUST LOVE HIM AS WELL AS HE IS PART OF HER FLESH.

MARRIAGE ISnt about you its about her. we arent christ we cant give love to all women we think a love. you wont love those women the same and some will be better cooks and love makers. and dont think that in your heart then you make love to that thing that isnt as good in bed as the others that when do it with her that the other wont be in her mind.

why would you want more then one wife? what is the reason? and can you tell me why god would say this.
deuterionomy

16But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. 17Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold

so god gave david something that he said a king ought not to do? why would he do that?

 

[handy]

Did you forgot the parable of the 10 virgins? Are they going to 10 bridegrooms or 1 bridegroom?

This is a parable told by God!

Wow, this thread is so full of rabbit trails. I've been working on a response to Adelphos's interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:2, but I took some time just to pour over any amount of commentaries and annotations...

...the virgins were not all brides of the groom. They were bridesmaids and the story is told according to the customs of the time when the bridesmaids would watch for the groom to come. There is no reason to believe that all these virgins were brides to the groom. According to the Blue Letter Bible, "Talmudic authorities affirm that there were usually ten lamps in a bridal procession."

Now, we can play a game of "dueling commentaries" if you like, but why bother...the text itself says nothing of these virgins being the bride. If they were the brides, then Jesus probably just would have said "brides". Sorry, but trying to make the parable be a defense for God's instituting polygyny just doesn't hold up.

 

[jasoncran]

You can marry as many concubines as you like and it is still not a sin. Did you find any scripture that says it is a sin?

If you believe you will not be able to give more attention to children, then it must not be assumed for other parents who can.

hardly. in the min wage workers life and the mothers must work and the dad , how will they find the time? seriously. i make way more then alot here and i must work two or three jobs to do it. and you expect me to give that money to more then one wife and she live on it? and yet raise her kids on what i can spare?

and i base all that i say what i saw in a country that allowed it, so i guess a christian is so holy and pure that he wont do that?

 

[Bonairos]

just a typo...

In today's society, it is good to allow polygamy which is not a sin, than to allow sins like affairs, having mistresses, adultery, prostitution etc.

It is good to allow a Christian man to have multiple wives? That he not particpate in sins like affairs, having mistresses, adultery, prostitution?

Could this be the matter of the heart?


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[jasoncran]

uh the definition of a cocubine/concubinage per the 1828 biblically based english definition of bible words.

Definition: concubinage

Part of SpeechDefinitionNoun1. Cohabitation without being legally married.[Wordnet]
2. The cohabiting of a man and a woman who are not legally married; the state of being a concubine.[Websters]
3. A plea, in which it is alleged that the woman suing for dower was not lawfully married to the man in whose lands she seeks to be endowed, but that she was his concubine.[Websters].Sources: WordNet 3.0 Copyright © 2006 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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Date "Concubinage" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1597. (references)
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Specialty Definition: concubinage

DomainDefinitionNoah Webster[Noun] The act or practice of cohabiting, as man and woman, in sexual commerce, without the authority of law, or a legal marriage. In a more general sense, this word is used to express any criminal or prohibited sexual commerce, including adultery, incest, and fornication. In some countries, concubinage is a marriage of an inferior kind, or performed with less solemnity than a true or formal marriage; or marriage with a woman of inferior condition, to whom the husband does not convey his rank or quality. This is said to be still in use in Germany. In law, concubinage is used as an exception against her that sueth for dower; in which it is alledged that she was not lawfully married to the man in whose lands she seeks to be endowed, but that she was his concubine.. Source: Webster's 1828 American Dictionary.LawCONCUBINAGE. This term has two different significations; sometimes it means a species of marriage which took place among the ancients, and which is yet in use in some countries. In this country it means the act or practice of cohabiting as man and woman, in sexual commerce, without the authority of law, or a legal marriage. Vide 1 Bro. Civ. Law, 80; Merl. Rep. b. t.; Dig. 32, 49, 4; Id. 7, 1, 1; Code, 5, 27, 12. (references)Wiktionary1: [Noun] The state of being a concubine. (references) 2: [Noun] The state of cohabiting or living together as man and wife while not married. (references)​

Dictionary - Definition of concubinage


wow eddy who knew i can fornicate!​

 

[theLords]

Men are to lead women.

Eddy, can you support this Scripturally? I would like to see the Scriptures.

 

[eddy]

really? so i should spend more time with my wife then my son who doesnt have a dad when my time at home is limited. i do this as MATER OF FACT BECAUSE OF LOVE, HE IS HER SEED BY HER DAUGHTER. SO IF LOVE HER I MUST LOVE HIM AS WELL AS HE IS PART OF HER FLESH.

MARRIAGE ISnt about you its about her. we arent christ we cant give love to all women we think a love. you wont love those women the same and some will be better cooks and love makers. and dont think that in your heart then you make love to that thing that isnt as good in bed as the others that when do it with her that the other wont be in her mind.

why would you want more then one wife? what is the reason? and can you tell me why god would say this.
deuterionomy


so god gave david something that he said a king ought not to do? why would he do that?

My wife is not my master, and I don't just give my children all my attention. They get the appropriate amount of attention they need. I don't serve them. I love and honor them. That is why I guide them. Men must be men, not servants to the whims of emotional wives and children. That is what God teaches.

 

[theLords]

just a typo...

In today's society, it is good to allow polygamy which is not a sin, than to allow sins like affairs, having mistresses, adultery, prostitution etc.

Your statement is a logical fallacy:

Either/Or Fallacy (also called "the Black-and-White Fallacy," "Excluded Middle," "False Dilemma," or "False Dichotomy"): This fallacy occurs when a writer builds an argument upon the assumption that there are only two choices or possible outcomes when actually there are several. Outcomes are seldom so simple. This fallacy most frequently appears in connection to sweeping generalizations: “Either we must ban X or the American way of life will collapse.†"We go to war with Canada, or else Canada will eventually grow in population and overwhelm the United States." "Either you drink Burpsy Cola, or you will have no friends and no social life." Either you must avoid either/or fallacies, or everyone will think you are foolish.

Either we allow polygamy or sins like affairs, having mistresses, adultery, prostitution etc. occur.

 

[eddy]

hardly. in the min wage workers life and the mothers must work and the dad , how will they find the time? seriously. i make way more then alot here and i must work two or three jobs to do it. and you expect me to give that money to more then one wife and she live on it? and yet raise her kids on what i can spare?

and i base all that i say what i saw in a country that allowed it, so i guess a christian is so holy and pure that he wont do that?

Not all men make minimum wage. Many men can afford to properly care more multiple wives and many children, and still have time.

Don't project your motivations, means and abilities on all men.

 

[felix]

The same could be said of those who promote (through dialog) that it is not.

Nonetheless, of every promotion (posts) of having multiple wives, they all seem to use Old Testament examples to validate their views.

I fear we attempt to live as new testament saints through old testament means.

Perhaps this could also be what it means to put new wine into old wineskins.



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

I already in earlier posts in the same thread, gave a new testament example from the parable of 10 virgins going to 1 bridegroom.

 

[eddy]

Eddy, can you support this Scripturally? I would like to see the Scriptures.

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.â€

 

[felix]

Your statement is a logical fallacy:



Either we allow polygamy or sins like affairs, having mistresses, adultery, prostitution etc. occur.

All through my posts I didn't mean what you posted. I posted, if polygamy is a sin, then it must not be allowed. period. If it is not a sin, then it must be allowed, for God Himself allowed it.

 

[Bonairos]

I already in earlier posts in the same thread, gave a new testament example from the parable of 10 virgins going to 1 bridegroom.

Perhaps you missed my post #195.


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[jasoncran]

My wife is not my master, and I don't just give my children all my attention. They get the appropriate amount of attention they need. I don't serve them. I love and honor them. That is why I guide them. Men must be men, not servants to the whims of emotional wives and children. That is what God teaches.

the desire for sex is an emotional based whim of my wife and me . serveants.

really that isnt what the bible says.

the husband is to submit to the wife and vice versa that doesn negate headship at all. my wife while i love her isnt attractive like she was but that doenst stop my love for her. i wouldnt want a second. i have looked and felt for another woman on this forum and i nipp that in the bud. i will say that she had the looks and all that my wife didnt have. should i have pursued that? isnt that adultery? me thinks so.

how else does on meet a second wife?

 

[Bonairos]

All through my posts I didn't mean what you posted. I posted, if polygamy is a sin, then it must not be allowed. period. If it is not a sin, then it must be allowed, for God Himself allowed it.

Is He "allowing" it for you?


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[theLords]

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

eddy, you made the statement that: "men are to lead woman."

However, your Biblical "proof" of this statement is a curse from God stating that a woman will desire her husband and that he will dominate her in return.

Do you have any actual Biblical proof that "men are to lead woman"?

 

[jasoncran]

Not all men make minimum wage. Many men can afford to properly care more multiple wives and many children, and still have time.

Don't project your motivations, means and abilities on all men.

oh please. i make 50 k plus a year and pay a mortage payment that most here in my town dont even make one job that is 1400 a month.

and where i live is the third wealthiest in the state of florida. john walsh lives here and cindy crawford. its said one child costs over 18 yrs 100000k. one child. imagine three wives with two and you do the math.

 

[theLords]

All through my posts I didn't mean what you posted. I posted, if polygamy is a sin, then it must not be allowed. period. If it is not a sin, then it must be allowed, for God Himself allowed it.

Allowed, sure, for a short time. Blesses and Approves? That's a whole 'nother story ;) (Your point was still a logical fallacy though :yes)

 

[eddy]

eddy, you made the statement that: "men are to lead ."

However, your Biblical "proof" of this statement is a curse from God stating that a woman will desire her husband and that he will dominate her in return.

Do you have any actual Biblical proof that "men are to lead woman"?

Men are commanded to be the head of the houshold. If you think otherwise I suggest you read the bible or start a thread where you disagree. The quote I provided is proof enough.

 

[eddy]

the desire for sex is an emotional based whim of my wife and me . serveants.

really that isnt what the bible says.

the husband is to submit to the wife and vice versa that doesn negate headship at all. my wife while i love her isnt attractive like she was but that doenst stop my love for her. i wouldnt want a second. i have looked and felt for another woman on this forum and i nipp that in the bud. i will say that she had the looks and all that my wife didnt have. should i have pursued that? isnt that adultery? me thinks so.

how else does on meet a second wife?

Getting a second wife doesn't have anything to do with the first one getting old or boring. If God wants me to have a second wife I will meet her how God plans and it will be his will.