Pope endorses same sex civil unions

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And that’s something we should all be able to do.
However, if the Pope is affirming a homosexual lifestyle, then he would be promoting sin.

I will always have a problem with people using the term "Homosexual Lifestyle" because it doesn't mean anything. It's usually a code phrase for gay sex. However a lifestyle isn't just sex. Lifestyle implies way more.

The Pope isn't saying gay sex is Christian. He has said the opposite in the past.

What is your thought on the matter? Do you believe he is promoting sinful behavior? Please explain.

No. The reason is that the Pope isn't telling people to go out and have sex. He is saying we need compassion. That's it.

I don’t see how JLB comment warranted that type of a response and that type of speak goes against the TOS.

The reasoning is because the Pope didn't say anything about the act of sex, but instead talked about the people who are same sex attracted. Those are 2 different things. JLB keeps bringing up how sex outside of sertain parameters is sinful. This is very common when talking about these issues. People have a hard time separating people from the act of sex when it comes to same sex attracted persons.

Grace is not a free pass to continue in sinful behavior. Grace calls sin what it is, sin but it doesn’t do so for the purpose of condemnation. No, grace speaks truth, but does so in love. Grace says, I understand your struggles and I’m here to help guide you to a better way of life. Together, we will get there.

I understand. My frustration is more about how we talk about this topic more than whether or not I'm attracted to men.

 

[Edward]

Ok. I get what you are saying. My point was that I don't see how the Pope saying gay peeps love their families effects how much Christian people love their families.

The Pope acknowledging that gay peeps love their families is just him say he gets that. It's not an endorsement, just a nod that they do what they do. Its not antagonistic. It's a gesture of kindness that doesn't effect the "Godlyness" of the Pope.

Or as I said to jlb, I don't like mustard but I understand others do.

I'm not getting that at all. How in the world could you even possibly know what is in the Pope's heart when he said anything? You simply can not. So all you have stated is your personal opinion that the pope is an ok man of God.

Prolly your non Christian upbringing thinking that's so. A Christian perspective is that no one can see into the heart of a man except God Himself. So one would be prudent if he steered clear of men like that so we don't get any on us.

 

[Edward]

The reasoning is because the Pope didn't say anything about the act of sex, but instead talked about the people who are same sex attracted. Those are 2 different things. JLB keeps bringing up how sex outside of sertain parameters is sinful. This is very common when talking about these issues. People have a hard time separating people from the act of sex when it comes to same sex attracted persons.

Trying to say that same sex attraction is different than same sex sex is ludicrous. So it's ok to think about? So the lifestyle is ok? What then? Just don't get caught doing it?

It is written, when a man looks upon a woman with lust then he is already guilty of adultery. So it stands to reason that when (anyone) looks upon another of the same sex with lust then they are guilty of sodomy within their heart.

But you say, ye shall not surely die...or something like that? Nice try, wrong guy. Lol.

 

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I'm not getting that at all. How in the world could you even possibly know what is in the Pope's heart when he said anything? You simply can not. So all you have stated is your personal opinion that the pope is an ok man of God.

I did. I think you are reading into my post stuff that is not there.

Prolly your non Christian upbringing thinking that's so.

I have gone into my past a few times here, and I'm pretty sure this claim is based purely in ignorance. So I'll let it slide.

A Christian perspective is that no one can see into the heart of a man except God Himself. So one would be prudent if he steered clear of men like that so we don't get any on us.

Any what on you? If you can't see into their heart, how do you know you'll get anything on you?

 

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But that is one of the biggest loads of garbage that I've ever heard in my life. Trying to say that same sex attraction is different than same sex sex is ludicrous.

Here is where the biggest misconception is. Being gay means you see attractive features in someone of the same sex. That's it. Acknowledging another man is attractive is not the same as having sex with them.

If that were true. All teenage boys would be committing adultery all day long whenever they see a girl they are crushing on.

So it's ok to think about? So the lifestyle is ok? What then? Just don't get caught doing it?

What 8sbthe lifestyle? How do you check the mail gay? How do you relax at home gay? How do you do your taxes gay? How do you listen to music gay?

It is written, when a man looks upon a woman with lust then he is already guilty of adultery. So it stands to reason that when (anyone) looks upon another of the same sex with lust then they are guilty of sodomy within their heart.

So all human being post puberty are in a perpetual state of sexual immorality? That sucks. That straight life style man, so full of sin.

But you say, ye shall not surely die...or something like that? Nice try, wrong guy. Lol.

Yeah, not sure where you got that from.

 

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If the pope validated same sex marriage, then he is validating a sinful lifestyle that leads people to hell.




JLB

Good thing the Pope never did. Seems like you keep ignoring that fact.

 

[for_his_glory]

[ACMP=reminder]
Let's start respecting the views of others even though you do not agree with them. Do not make derogatory remarks, but try to reconcile with each other the best that you can. Please go back and read the ToS 1.1 and 1.3.
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[Edward]

Here is where the biggest misconception is. Being gay means you see attractive features in someone of the same sex. That's it. Acknowledging another man is attractive is not the same as having sex with them.

Granted. But that is Not the same thing as same sex attraction, and you can't lump it in there as such and pretend it is not sinful.

If that were true. All teenage boys would be committing adultery all day long whenever they see a girl they are crushing on.

Agreed. So you best learn how to control yourselves ye young ones.

What 8sbthe lifestyle? How do you check the mail gay? How do you relax at home gay? How do you do your taxes gay? How do you listen to music gay?

I don't know, I'm not gay. I don't know, I'm not gay. I don't know, I'm not gay. Are you gay? How do you do those things?

So all human being post puberty are in a perpetual state of sexual immorality? That sucks. That straight life style man, so full of sin.

That does seem to be the case brother. I didn't make the rules, so even though procreation is needed for survival of the species, and to increase God's harvest...yes, there are some very narrow parameters set forth about sex. If you don't like those parameters then do as you will and be gay or be a cheater to your wife or a porn watcher...that's your choice.

My Lord said to me, Edward, take those unrighteous thoughts captive to Christ and stop living for yourself, live for Me....

And that is the mindset which allows me to see your posts so clearly as some sort of preoccupation of yours where you seem to be wanting to influence others to your opinion of, oh it's not bad to go around sizing people up sexually, ye shall not surely die...and so forth.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Here is where the biggest misconception is. Being gay means you see attractive features in someone of the same sex. That's it. Acknowledging another man is attractive is not the same as having sex with them.

If that were true. All teenage boys would be committing adultery all day long whenever they see a girl they are crushing on.


What 8sbthe lifestyle? How do you check the mail gay? How do you relax at home gay? How do you do your taxes gay? How do you listen to music gay?


So all human being post puberty are in a perpetual state of sexual immorality? That sucks. That straight life style man, so full of sin.


Yeah, not sure where you got that from.

I disagree.
Being gay was put together by people who practiced homosexuality.
Now by saying it is only a thought, people want others to accept it as okay thinking.
The Bible does not accept it as okay thinking.
These people need to overcome this thought process before it leads to sin.
That's what the Bible says.
Do you need the verses?
Would that change anything?
I doubt it.

 

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I disagree.
Being gay was put together by people who practiced homosexuality.

What does this even mean? To me this is like saying being hungry was put together by people eating food. Homosexuality means you are attracted to the same sex. Attraction is the key part. Heterosexuals are attracted to people of the opposite sex. Niether of these are an intended action. People act on their attractions.

I get hungry, however that doesn't mean I gorge myself on delicacies everyday. I just like eating food.

Now by saying it is only a thought,

Attraction is a thought, not an action. All the quotes from the Bible refer to people committing an action. Such as committing sex with a person of the same gender.

Even the quote of looking on another woth lust is a specific action. It's beyond Attraction and willfully imagining actions.

people want others to accept it as okay thinking.
The Bible does not accept it as okay thinking.

Can you find me a chapter and verse that doesn't refer to actions?

These people need to overcome this thought process before it leads to sin.
That's what the Bible says.
Do you need the verses?
Would that change anything?
I doubt it.

The problem is that you only verses about actions, not about a default nature.

Also the way that we as people conceive sexuality now is more complex than how the Bible discusses it, because the Bible doesn't really go into detail outside of all sex outside of specific parameters is sinful.

The problem is that people who have heterosexual sex outside of marriage or not for the intent of child baring is also cast as sinful.

That's why I made that joke about the "straight lifestyle" earlier.

 

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Granted. But that is Not the same thing as same sex attraction, and you can't lump it in there as such and pretend it is not sinful.

That is literally all being gay means, you are attracted to the same sex.


Can you find me the verse that says Attraction, not lust' is a sin?

Agreed. So you best learn how to control yourselves ye young ones.

I'm not so young anymore. :p also, pretty good with control. I don't do the club scene or really anything outside my long term relationship. Which is not me saying it's Christian. It's me saying it works for me.

I don't know, I'm not gay. I don't know, I'm not gay. I don't know, I'm not gay. Are you gay? How do you do those things?

I am, and the same as everyone else. This whole "gay Lifestyle" thing is basicly just a way for daytime news broadcasters and televangelist to day " gay sex" without outright saying it.

That does seem to be the case brother. I didn't make the rules, so even though procreation is needed for survival of the species, and to increase God's harvest...yes, there are some very narrow parameters set forth about sex. If you don't like those parameters then do as you will and be gay or be a cheater to your wife or a porn watcher...that's your choice.

I am not Christian, and I love my partner. It's too bad the Christian religion makes such a big deal about this. One of the reasons I'm not a Christian is because some rules seem to not make much sense.

My Lord said to me, Edward, take those unrighteous thoughts captive to Christ and stop living for yourself, live for Me....

And that is the mindset which allows me to see your posts so clearly as some sort of preoccupation of yours where you seem to be wanting to influence others to your opinion of, oh it's not bad to go around sizing people up sexually, ye shall not surely die...and so forth.

I can literally do the same thing to you. I can look at your posts and assume your position is based on limited reactions with gay people and a cognitive dissonance that the only real difference between us is that my brain is wired to like people of the same gender.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What does this even mean? To me this is like saying being hungry was put together by people eating food. Homosexuality means you are attracted to the same sex. Attraction is the key part. Heterosexuals are attracted to people of the opposite sex. Niether of these are an intended action. People act on their attractions.

I get hungry, however that doesn't mean I gorge myself on delicacies everyday. I just like eating food.



Attraction is a thought, not an action. All the quotes from the Bible refer to people committing an action. Such as committing sex with a person of the same gender.

Even the quote of looking on another woth lust is a specific action. It's beyond Attraction and willfully imagining actions.




Can you find me a chapter and verse that doesn't refer to actions?

The problem is that you only verses about actions, not about a default nature.

Also the way that we as people conceive sexuality now is more complex than how the Bible discusses it, because the Bible doesn't really go into detail outside of all sex outside of specific parameters is sinful.

The problem is that people who have heterosexual sex outside of marriage or not for the intent of child baring is also cast as sinful.

That's why I made that joke about the "straight lifestyle" earlier.

Matthew 5:28;
Mark 7:20-23;
Romans 12:2;
Matthew 15:19-20;
Isaiah 26:3;
1 Corinthians 6:19-20;
James 1:14-15;
Romans 13:14;
Galatians 5:16;
Matthew 26:41;

 

[stovebolts]

I understand. My frustration is more about how we talk about this topic more than whether or not I'm attracted to men.

I understand. And may I also add that we each have our own burdens to bear, and we can’t force another to carry that for us nor can others force you to carry their burdens. What this also means is that some are not capable of carrying that burden, so you can’t expect them to understand. It’s your burden, and we each hear and see things differently for various reasons. So as frustrating as it may be, don’t let it eat at you. It’s not with the frustration imho.

I will always have a problem with people using the term "Homosexual Lifestyle" because it doesn't mean anything. It's usually a code phrase for gay sex. However a lifestyle isn't just sex. Lifestyle implies way more.

Then all you can really do is explain what it is the way you understand it. If people push back, then they don’t have ears to hear. People need to want to listen, otherwise all you’ve done is create a platform where they can springboard their agenda.

The Pope isn't saying gay sex is Christian. He has said the opposite in the past.

I’ll admit I have not read what he said. I’ll do that.

No. The reason is that the Pope isn't telling people to go out and have sex. He is saying we need compassion. That's it.

Without actually reading what he said, I would agree with your summary.

 

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Matthew 5:28;
Mark 7:20-23;
Romans 12:2;
Matthew 15:19-20;
Isaiah 26:3;
1 Corinthians 6:19-20;
James 1:14-15;
Romans 13:14;
Galatians 5:16;
Matthew 26:41;

I already covered that I'm not talking about lust, but about attraction. A personal can be attracted to someone and still resist lust.

 

[JLB]

Yep, you did not address what I said. I'm not going to go down a slippery slope with you of you can't address any point I actually make.

I addressed your post and now you wont ack the truth about two men not being able to produce a family as God intended.




JLB

 

[JLB]

My Lord said to me, Edward, take those unrighteous thoughts captive to Christ and stop living for yourself, live for Me....

Amen.

 

[JLB]

So let me see if I haave this right. You are not a Christian. You don't like Christianity because it has too many rules you don't like. You don't like Christians themselves. You are a sodomite and the only time you've ever asked for a scripture was in effort to justify and make seem normal sodomite activities. And on top of all that, you decide to make it your hobby to become a member of a Christian website?

I think that covers it.


:nod

 

[Milk-Drops]

I addressed your post and now you wont ack the truth about two men not being able to produce a family as God intended.




JLB

No, you did not. You keep saying the Pope endorsed marriage for same sex couples, when he did not. I would have to accept this lie to continue your further questions. Show me where the Pope endorsed dame sex Christian marriage, ot I won't answer any of your further questions.

 

[JLB]

No, you did not. You keep saying the Pope endorsed marriage for same sex couples, when he did not. I would have to accept this lie to continue your further questions. Show me where the Pope endorsed dame sex Christian marriage, ot I won't answer any of your further questions.

I have posted this several times for you to show the heading of the article, referenced in the OP.

Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions, saying: 'Homosexuals are children of God and have the right to be in a family'​

Can a same sex union reproduce offspring?





JLB

 

[Milk-Drops]

I have posted this several times for you to show the heading of the article, referenced in the OP.

Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions, saying: 'Homosexuals are children of God and have the right to be in a family'​

Can a same sex union reproduce offspring?





JLB

So you are saying a licence from the government is the same as the Martiage ritual performed by a priest or pastor to united 2 flesh as one before God?

Is getting a building permit or a driver's license also the government performing Christian rituals?