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Pre-Marital Intimacy

Anyone (it doesn't matter whether they claim to be Christian or not) who tells you that you will never find a man by waiting until you are married to have sex is not walking with God. This is the kind of person that will pull you further from God. It is like the devour saying "come on its just a little bit of heavy petting, its not sex so its ok" and from there it leads to the next thing because you initially allowed yourself to give into a small temptation. The enemy uses people to try to poke holes in our lives so that he can come in and destroy us just like he wants to. A true Christian man who is walking with and serving God will respect you and will respect God's word about premarital sex.

Here is a video on youtube called "Sexual Healing" that puts premarital sex and the bibles views into perspective in a really cool way. Whether you have had premarital relations in the past or not you can go back and start following God's ways today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJFvxad1_A&sns=fb
 
This was sparked from a conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a Christian. He told me that premarital sex is wrong, which means that anyphysical act with the word "sex" attached to it was wrong. But that anything other than that was fine.

Then I told him my views. I believe that kissing and hugging and cuddling is okay as long as it doesn't cause both Christians to strongly want to go further. So no stripping clothes, heavy petting even with clothes on, or making out so passionately the two want to take it even further.

He flipped out at me! He told me I'd never find a man who would be willing to wait. He told me I better have a rare quality but that I wasn't pretty or rich enough to be able to make a good guy wait. He then told me to expect a man not to see me naked before the wedding was selfish and greedy of me. He said that a good Christian man shouldn't be expected to wait for that because it's already hard enough to wait for sex.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the popular opinion even among those who have decided to be abstinent. I mean, there are many practical and logical reasons to wait for sex so even people who aren't religious at all are waiting now, which is great, but what bothers me is that guys are pressuring girls to get as close to sex as it is possible without actual intercourse.

So what are your views and the Bible's views on intimacy before marriage? Is it true that I'm "doomed" for wanting to wait until marriage to let a man touch me in certain areas or to let him really make out with me? Or, as my dating friends tell me, are there really guys who aren't desperate who are willing to wait?

I'm especially interested in responses from guys! ;)

The guy is a jerk. Period.

Stick to the Bible! :)
 
Anyone (it doesn't matter whether they claim to be Christian or not) who tells you that you will never find a man by waiting until you are married to have sex is not walking with God. This is the kind of person that will pull you further from God. It is like the devour saying "come on its just a little bit of heavy petting, its not sex so its ok" and from there it leads to the next thing because you initially allowed yourself to give into a small temptation. The enemy uses people to try to poke holes in our lives so that he can come in and destroy us just like he wants to. A true Christian man who is walking with and serving God will respect you and will respect God's word about premarital sex.
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MVPGFVH:

Well, exactly.

Christian friendship begins and continues with a habit of prayer and Bible reading. (All some men think friendship with a lady is about how to roll a condom, whereas marital privilege is a long way down the road from honest, Christian fellowship habits.)
 
highlife,

There really hasn't been a lot that I've agreed with you in your postings here. No matter, often it's our disagreements that tend to spur us to study more diligently...if only to prove our own point of view. ;)

However, with the exception of your obvious disdain of women, I agree with your basic premise...

We, as a society are making things unnecessarily hard for our young people by encouraging folks to wait until they are well into their 20's, even 30's before marrying. And, long engagements are pretty foolish, in my opinion.

I was 38 when I got married... and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but it's just how it worked out for me. I think it's much better to do as most of those within my family did...marry earlier in life. My sisters and my brother were married in their late teens... most of my nieces and nephews were in their late teens, early 20's when they were married as well. All are married. There are no divorces in my family... 18 couples starting with my mom and dad (married when they were 18).

However, even during my long single years, I did find plenty of Christian men in their later 20's who held to God's principles of sexuality... and wasn't pressured by them to have sex. Nor did my one engagement when I was 28 involve sex... although we were fairly physical with one another. We broke up... but not because of sexual issues. Yes, I did come across some jerks... well, my one fiance was one of them... but for the most part, I was lucky to date guys who lived to God's standards and had a lot of respect for me.

Within my family, all are Christians... nobody had "arranged" marriages and we women aren't treated as possessions (although we do believe in submissiveness of a wife towards her husband... but not submissiveness of women in general to men in general)... and all the kids, my sisters, brother, nieces, nephews... and now my own kids are being taught that sex... while an important part of marriage, isn't the end all, be all of life. Until one can be married for good solid reasons, in a marriage built upon mutual love, respect and commitment to Christ, one needs to exercise self-control and keep it zipped. As a matter of fact, if any guy tries to tell my daughter that she need's to "put out a bit"... she'll dump him like a hot potato. She's only 14, but has already done so with one horny young man.

It's not impossible. But...it is certainly harder for kids now, sexually, because of our worldly society's emphasis on gaining college degrees, buying houses, spending $$,$$$'s on fancy weddings and very lax attitudes about living together, FWB's, and sexuality in general.

It's especially hard when it comes from other Christians. I had several encounters with Christians during my single years who told me that there was nothing wrong with having sex outside of marriage... I was even told by one couple that I should think about having a baby... even though I was single... because I was getting too old and might not conceive even if I did ever marry. (I was too old, and I didn't conceive... and yet I have two wonderful kids I wouldn't trade for the world anyway... God indeed does bless us when we live by His principles.) It's frustrating to no end to have to deal with the loneliness and lack of sex when one is an older single, and have Christians, the very ones one looks to for encouragement to be the ones undermining one's effort to life a godly life.

I don't know what the answers are here... it's great when two younger people can find each other and be willing to marry... and not put up with a lot of grief from family members. My family didn't give any of my nieces and nephews grief, but some of their spouse's families sure did.

However, the odds of finding someone who share's one's Christian convictions and who are also willing to marry young are getting longer and longer. I do worry for my own kids. Not so much that they'll exercise self-control over their sexuality and abstain until they are married... but just that they might have a hard time finding someone willing to marry early. (Unless my daughter's "grocery boy" comes through...he is still single.)

As for long engagements... foolish. I think an engagement should be no more than 6 months. Any longer than that... and it's just asking for trouble.
 
No, the 'unzip now and get married later' thing that h seems to be advocating isn't Biblical. I don't want to elaborate.
 
No, the 'unzip now and get married later' thing that h seems to be advocating isn't Biblical. I don't want to elaborate.

It's not biblical at all. What highlife seems to want to ignore/justify/explain away...is that the church is only holding to God's principles regarding sex... that it is only OK after marriage.

I have to wonder, highlife, what would happen to your marriage if either you or your wife were no longer able to engage in sex. My dad was in a car accident and was impotent for the last 25 years of his marriage with my mom. I was unable to be a "freak in the sheets" for close to two years because of a medical condition. Now, my husband and I can't be all that intimate, simply because his job keeps him away from home most nights of the week. It's frustrating, but having a job is more important... especially in this economy.

Life and marriage is like that... things come up that can wreak havoc on the sexual part of marriage... smart couples take time to build intimacy in their marriage via a lot of ways besides just sex, in order to deal with "worse" (as in "for better or for worse").

I have to admit, if my husband insisted upon taking a "test drive" with me, prior to marriage...in order to confirm that I was up to his sexual standards...I'd be very worried about my marriage at this point. Insisting that a couple needs to jettison God's very clear principles just to satisfy that the sexual standards are high enough sends the message that sex is the single most important part of the relationship and if something happens to interrupt it...then there is justification to end the marriage or commit adultery.

Happily, my hubby did no such thing and is just as self-controlled about sex as I am... and our marriage has been and remains quite solid, loving and intimate in spite of the fact that we can't do "it" as often as either of us would like.
 
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