Pre Wrath overview

[Darrell dunn]

Vic

I get from what you write that tribulation, great tribulations, and wrath.

Are all deferent periods of time.

Would you please show me how they are divided, and how they fit into the book of Rev.

 

[Judy]

I get from what you write that tribulation, great tribulations, and wrath.

Are all deferent periods of time.

Would you please show me how they are divided, and how they fit into the book of Rev.

My 2 cents.. the tribulation is what we have and can have everyday. The Great tribulation will be the persecution of the saints at the hand of Antichrist and the Wrath is God's wrath against Satan and an unbelieving unrepentant world.

These verses can be viewed as daily (even though server) tribulation...

• Revelation 6
  
• 1. Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come and see.''
  2. And I looked, and behold, a white horse. And he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
  3. When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see.''
  4. And another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
  5. When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come and see.'' And I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
  6. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.''
  7. When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come and see.''
  8. And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth. [/*:m:f3d06]

These verses I believe speak of the persecution of the saints at the hand of Antichrist and his henchmen....

• 9. When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
  10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?''
  11. And a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. [/*:m:f3d06]

These verses I believe are the start of God's wrath, and we see that with the signs he said would be just before His wrath and the signs are in the sun the moon and the stars....

• 12. I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
  13. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
  14. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
  15. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
  16. and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
  17. "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?''[/*:m:f3d06]

 

[Darrell dunn]

I tend to find this amazing, That the unsaved left in the world know when the wrath of GOD begins yet don't get saved.

Now how long dose the wrath last?

And if 6:9-11 is the rapture then where are the ones taken alive?

These are all being killed.

And when I read Rev. I see angles putting out all of the warth not GOD.

I guess God gave the orders in secret.Right?

Just questions I need answered.

 

[Judy]

I tend to find this amazing, That the unsaved left in the world know when the wrath of GOD begins yet don't get saved.

Now how long dose the wrath last?

And if 6:9-11 is the rapture then where are the ones taken alive?

These are all being killed.

And when I read Rev. I see angles putting out all of the warth not GOD.

I guess God gave the orders in secret.Right?

Just questions I need answered.

Well, you make it sound like it is their choice alone to be saved.... God gave us all a chance.. but once anyone takes the mark of the beast it is over for that individual.

God's wrath will last as long as the time that remains in the 7 years...

The rapture doesn't happen in rev. 6:9-11, that is where the wrath of Satan is against God's people.
The rapture happens here in Rev. 7: right after the sealing of the 144,000..

• Rev. 7:9. After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10. and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!''
  11. And all the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
  12. saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.''
  13. Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?''
  14. And I said to him, "Sir, you know.'' So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
  15. "Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
  16. "They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
  17. "for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.''[/*:m:144e3]

That all the time I have for right now..

 

[Vic C.]

Vic

I get from what you write that tribulation, great tribulations, and wrath.

Are all deferent periods of time.

Would you please show me how they are divided, and how they fit into the book of Rev.

Sure Darrell. I had expressed this many times before, but always within the confines of a post with other info in it, so it doesn't always stick out.

I see the Great Tribulation as an undefined period of time (within the 70th.week and about midway) when believers in Christ and those who refuse the Mark will perish at the 'hands" of Antichrist and his followers. I don't see this as having anything to do with God's Wrath. He will not take His people out in such a way. He may allow it to happen, as He allowed persecution throughout the ages, but it is not by His hand.

1 Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

I see this Great Tribulation starting at the fourth seal (Revelation 6:7)

I see the Wrath of God as The Day of the Lord. It is announced in Revelation 6:17 I believe the sixth seal is where the harpazo takes place (Revelation 7:9-14) and the sealing of the 144,000. I see the sixth seal as showing us the signs of the coming wrath. (revelation 6:12)

Though antichrist will be in power the second half of the 70th. week, his power is severely limited once God's Wrath starts. According to the way I understand scripture, the persecution ceases once the Day of the Lord kicks in. I believe all the trumpets and bowls are part of the Wrath and are in sucession.

I see most of the first half of the 70th. week to be a period of false peace, culminating into what I believe to be the period of Great Tribulation, followed by God's wrath upon those who are left in disbelief.

1 Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Solo]

Vic and Judy,
You both have read the Great Tribulation the way that God revealed it to me in His Word many years ago during my own personal study time. Even though I attend a church that is mainly pretrib. I will be around to help them when the time comes.
Thanks,
Michael

 

[Vic C.]

Vic and Judy,
You both have read the Great Tribulation the way that God revealed it to me in His Word many years ago during my own personal study time. Even though I attend a church that is mainly pretrib. I will be around to help them when the time comes.
Thanks,
Michael

8-)

We that believe in a Pre-wrath harpazo may variate on some finer points and timings, but the basic tenant of our doctrine remains;

1 -We believe the time of persecution by antichrist is separated from God's Wrath.

2 - We hold the promise of 1 Thess 5:9 to be true and the real blessed hope. Hence the name, PreWrath.

 

[Darrell dunn]

I see this as a group that will serve the throne.Rev.7:15 day and night.

So we will not be kings and prest, but servants to the throne?

We aren't joint heirs Rom8:17 with Christ then, but hired help, Because He sets on a throne, not serving the throne.

This is the foolish virgins and those that were not saved when the rapture happened.

1John 3;2 it doth not yet appear what we shall be: when he shall appear, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM.

Rev.1:13-16 tells us what he looks like, and it is a way more than a white robe.

 

[Jake99]

Did you know that the US is the most wasteful and polluting nation on the Earth? It does not have to be that way, you can reap without wreckage. I simply suggest you run the most efficient system possible and that would rid the world of middlemen and gambling as well as prostitution, pornography, wars etc. Anyone who reads the news can see the world is headed for disasters of biblical proportion and yet you wish to stay the course.

When Christ takes over in the flesh the changes will be of such giant proportions and so quick you will forget all about the old ways. It seems none of you understand the bible you want me to read. You will not need that book in the new world here on Earth.