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[Shilohsfoal]

Words mean what they mean *in context.* In context Jesus was speaking of the Temple in Jerusalem, because he was talking about it as he left that area. That Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. *That* generation.

We were taught by Hal Lindsey and others that the birth pain signs Jesus gave were for the Last Generation. In context, Jesus was speaking of signs that pointed to the destruction of the Temple. Signs like "wars and rumors of wars." The Roman Army had been active, and Jews in Jesus' time would've known what he was talking about.

There were also earthquakes and heavenly signs, in particular at the time Jesus was crucified. The persecution of the Disciples was also a sign. These were warnings to the generation of Jesus' Apostles that things were about to get very tough. And they did in 70 AD, and beyond.

Then you must believe Jesus second coming was in 70 AD because that is what he was talking about.

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



See Jesus in the Olivet discourse was describing the day of the Lord when the Jews are led away captive and them which be in judea flees to the mountains and the lord and his saints comes to Jerusalem.You claim this took place in 70 ad and I say the day of the lord has not come yet .It is still a few years away.


Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes, I do not understand. Nothing could be more clear, nothing could be more transparent, nothing could be more explicit. Jesus said the temple would be destroyed in "this generation." That was in 70 AD.

But you will believe what you want.

I still do not see where Jesus said he would come in 70 AD.
Where did Jesus say he will come to that generation,as you call it?

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

All these things are describing Jesus second advent on the day of the Lord which has not been fulfilled yet.It has not even started to be fulfilled yet.


Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

[RandyK]

I still do not see where Jesus said he would come in 70 AD.
Where did Jesus say he will come to that generation,as you call it?

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed, and that there would be "birth pains" to precede that event. "All these things," Jesus said, would take place in "this generation." It is explicitly said.

The argument is made that Jesus had to have been talking about the last generation because he also mentioned his 2nd Coming. But that was peripheral to his main point that *all the things associated with the destruction of the Temple* would take place in "this generation," namely in the generation that had been born in his own time.

And it indeed took place 40 years later, in the very generation of children alive when Jesus said this. Not only so, but that is when the Temple was destroyed--not in the Last Generation.

So Jesus was talking about both the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming. But when he spoke of "this generation" he was focusing on "all these things," namely the things associated with the destruction of the Temple.

It is context that determines what Jesus meant by "all these things." And it is common sense that Jesus was referring not to his 2nd Coming, but to all the things associated with the destruction of the Temple, including its "Birth Pains."

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed, and that there would be "birth pains" to precede that event. "All these things," Jesus said, would take place in "this generation." It is explicitly said.

The argument is made that Jesus had to have been talking about the last generation because he also mentioned his 2nd Coming. But that was peripheral to his main point that *all the things associated with the destruction of the Temple* would take place in "this generation," namely in the generation that had been born in his own time.

And it indeed took place 40 years later, in the very generation of children alive when Jesus said this. Not only so, but that is when the Temple was destroyed--not in the Last Generation.

So Jesus was talking about both the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming. But when he spoke of "this generation" he was focusing on "all these things," namely the things associated with the destruction of the Temple.

It is context that determines what Jesus meant by "all these things." And it is common sense that Jesus was referring not to his 2nd Coming, but to all the things associated with the destruction of the Temple, including its "Birth Pains."

That's not what Jesus said.
Now if you had read what Jesus actually said, he talked about his coming taking place during" this generation."

Luke ,21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.




Jesus says right there the great tribulation in Luke 21:25 and his coming in 21:27 take place before this generation passes away.

And everyone knows the resurection of the dead in Christ takes place during the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1-2.


The Olivet discourse,revelation ,zech 14,Amos 5,Daniels end time events and several other prophets all testify of the same things taking place at Christs coming .



Your not going to comprehend when Israels neighbors attacks and take control of Jerusalem leading the unbelieving Jews into captivity.
Your not understand the day of the Lord when the heavens shake .

Your biggest problem is you don't realize what "this generation "is talking about.Its simply means a perverse nation.When Jesus comes,that nation will be cast into a lake of fire.





Word: genea

Pronounce: ghen-eh-ah'

Strongs Number: G1074

Orig: from (a presumed derivative of) 1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):--age, generation, nation, time. G1085

Use: TDNT-1:662,114 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H410 H1755 H2233 H2567 H3117 H3211 H4940 H5971 H7256 H8029

1. 1) fathered, birth, nativity2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy2b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character2b1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied by each successive generation), a space of 30-33 years

 

[Free]

Like I said already.
These "christians" who come in Jesus name have not arrived in Israel yet .The man of sin should be sending them shortly.


Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


When they arrive in Israel,will you recognize them?

Okay, but that doesn't address what I said.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Be careful.

Luk 21:5 And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with noble stones and offerings, he said,
Luk 21:6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
Luk 21:7 And they asked him, “Teacher, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?” (ESV)

Nitice what precedes the questions—Jesus saying “the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” That happened in 70 AD or so. We know that from history.

The questions are more clear in Matthew’s account and a lot of people make this mistake: not realizing that Jesus is asked two questions, both of which could have very different timelines.

Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (ESV)

You say it was fulfilled in 70 AD.

I don't think so .
There are still stones,one upon another.Seeing you do not know for a fact which stones Jesus is talking about .then you can't say it has been fulfilled.You can only assume you know what stones.