jasoncran
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God wants us to be millioniares? i think and believe God does bless his saints but that doenst mean $$$ like we americans think its relative to the place we are at.
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Preachers Asking For Money
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<table class="chart"><tbody><tr class="financialsubh"><td colspan="6">Balance Sheet</td></tr><tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Assets</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>Cash</td><td>$7,760,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$18,093,000</td><td>$14,217,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Receivables, Inventories & Prepaids</td><td>$6,186,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$7,994,000</td><td>$4,091,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Short-Term Investments</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$7,013,000</td><td>$21,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Current Assets</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr class="emph"><td>Total Current Assets</td><td>$13,947,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$33,100,000</td><td>$18,330,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Long-Term Investments</td><td>$13,586,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$10,736,000</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr><td>Fixed Assets</td><td>$43,026,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$37,984,000</td><td>$43,723,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Long-Term Assets</td><td>$333,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$12,156,000</td></tr> <tr class="emph"><td>Total Long-Term Assets</td><td>$56,946,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$48,720,000</td><td>$55,879,000</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>TOTAL ASSETS</td><td>$70,893,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$81,821,000</td><td>$74,210,000</td></tr> <tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Liabilities</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>Payables & Accrued Expenses</td><td>$7,360,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$5,993,000</td><td>$5,310,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Current Liabilities</td><td>$169,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$186,000</td><td>$932,000</td></tr> <tr class="emph"><td>Total Current Liabilities</td><td>$7,529,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$6,179,000</td><td>$6,242,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Debt</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr><td>Due To (From) Affiliates</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Long-Term Liabilities</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr class="emph"><td>Total Long-Term Liabilities</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>TOTAL LIABILITIES</td><td>$7,529,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$6,179,000</td><td>$6,242,000</td></tr> <tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Assets</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>Unrestricted</td><td>$63,363,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$75,583,000</td><td>$66,527,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Temporarily Restricted</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$57,000</td><td>$1,440,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Permanently Restricted</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>NET ASSETS</td><td>$63,363,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$75,641,000</td><td>$67,967,000</td></tr> <tr class="financialsubh"><td colspan="6">Revenue and Expenses</td></tr><tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Revenue</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>Total Contributions</td><td>$100,777,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$108,606,000</td><td>$103,029,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Program Service Revenue</td><td>$7,641,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$12,043,000</td><td>$5,816,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Membership Dues</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr><td>Investment Income</td><td>$240,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$1,581,000</td><td>$486,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Revenue</td><td>$617,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>($274,000)</td><td>$1,377,000</td></tr> <tr class="emph"><td>Total Other Revenue</td><td>$8,499,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$13,350,000</td><td>$7,681,000</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>TOTAL REVENUE</td><td>$109,276,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$121,956,000</td><td>$110,710,000</td></tr> <tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Expenses</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>Program Services</td><td>$99,467,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$93,524,000</td><td>$84,156,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Management & General</td><td>$13,474,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$15,820,000</td><td>$17,835,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Fundraising</td><td>$6,199,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$4,937,000</td><td>$5,489,000</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>TOTAL EXPENSES</td><td>$119,141,000</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$114,282,000</td><td>$107,482,000</td></tr> <tr class="yearrow"><td align="center">Change in Net Assets</td><td align="center">2009</td><td align="center">2008</td><td align="center">2007</td><td align="center">2006</td><td align="center">2005</td></tr><tr><td>SURPLUS (DEFICIT)</td><td>($9,864,000)</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$7,674,000</td><td>$3,227,000</td></tr> <tr><td>Other Changes in Net Assets</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td></tr> <tr class="totals"><td>TOTAL CHANGE IN NET ASSETS</td><td>($9,864,000)</td><td>$0</td><td>$0</td><td>$7,674,000</td><td>$3,227,000</td></tr></tbody></table>
jasoncran
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whose spread sheet and financial statement is this?
Christ_empowered
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A lot of preachers make me nervous when they start talking about money. This one guy, the main preacher for a local mega-church, went so far as to suggest that one was being "greedy" and short-sighted by investing in retirement instead of the church. He asked "So, those of you who had retirement savings...with the market the way it is, how's that working out?" I'm thinking: OK, I have like $0, but my parents are responsible adults who have put away for their retirement. What's he trying to say? That they're "greedy" for trying to make sure they live well into old age? That his multi-million dollar enterprise really *needs* more ____ (entertainment, trips, outreach, etc.) ?
Now, the minister at this small, Southern Baptist church I went to...exact opposite. He had a "day job," even though he had a Master's of Divinity. Very dedicated man. He made clear that the Church had needs, but he never pushed people to give more than they felt comfortable giving, and I think they had some kind of oversight board to make sure all the $$$ were wisely spent.
The money factor is another reason I don't like mega-churches.
Now, the minister at this small, Southern Baptist church I went to...exact opposite. He had a "day job," even though he had a Master's of Divinity. Very dedicated man. He made clear that the Church had needs, but he never pushed people to give more than they felt comfortable giving, and I think they had some kind of oversight board to make sure all the $$$ were wisely spent.
The money factor is another reason I don't like mega-churches.
patience7
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Did I say that God wanted us to be millionaires? I guess "prosper" to you means millionaire?
patience7
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Thank you for posting that. I am a partner with Joyce Meyer so I receive a balance sheet of the financial records.
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Nacho
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Agreed...prosper to one person may be wealth but to another it may be as simple as a job and a roof over their head.
jasoncran
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that is what they teach. trust me i have debated this with another friend of mine who actually agreed with me and she does listen to copeland, and hinn.
they teach that if one gives one can be blessed by money. this has some truth but not totally they also teach that god blesses you to give more, while he does do that for some but not all. in america we shouldnt teach that we need to make more so that we can give more. that is in part what they teach. i counter with if a said poor man who has one goat and is a she goat and lives with plenty of milk and is warm and also can trade for other things and has enough to help those poorer then him he is a blessed man and is prospered.
at first when i presented this to her she fought then i clarified and came to agreement.
my testimony is for the most part being blessed and healed by god to be able to work and also be productive member of society. i am not rich and but i am not working min wage anymore.
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Or perhaps a spiritual awakening?
If the pastor is using the donated money to keep up the church, helping the poor, and to help their neighbors and fellow membors during hard times, I'm perfectly ok with it. And I can understand the paster taking a small persentage for himself, (Between 4% and 12%).
What I don't like is when a pastor takes more than his/her fair share form the offerings.
What I don't like is when a pastor takes more than his/her fair share form the offerings.