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Pregnant woman fired for not marrying fiance

Jesse said:
I can see where people might view it as hypocritical, only because the Church decided to follow society "rules" about this. It's too bad the Church always bends to man made rules and traditions.
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You're not getting it. Not getting married and just acting like it is a neon sign that flashes 'not really taking this obligation on folks!'

Godly marriage is about taking the legal obligation that comes with joining yourself to a spouse. Stating your intent to take on that obligation is how you do that.

This reminds me of the person who says he's a Christian but won't get baptized. Baptism is nothing in and of itself, and technically, not required to be a real Christian, but the lack of it signifies a flaw in the relationship you claim to have.
 
Jesse said:
It seem like it's pretty easy to get a divorce, too, seem how over 50% of those holding a marriage license get one.

A marriage license is as only as good as a couple is committed to one another.
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no, its not. florida mandated wait one year. just to be able to get the divorce you must be legally separated and have three counseling sessions. if you have kids then add the haggling over them and property. which my state is a 50/50 state. its harder then you think.
 
so if we are going to argue a contract. a contract to pay my mortage is only good as the person whom wants to pay that lender. should we then do away with that? NO. funny we don't argue for contractless home purchases with changing terms as I please on the price. I wonder why we don't do that one. the banks know what would happen. they would loose all .
 
jasonc said:
since there wasn't government in the days of the patriarchs we could argue a whole lot laws that we don't need to follow. I don't need to sign the dotted line to buy land. they didn't mention in the bible. though its there and implication. when abrahm bought the land from the children of heth. his money exchange and deed was recorded in a jar and buried in the land he bought. its not mentioned but its well accepted that the time they did that. funny how it works like that.
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However, we ARE required to follow secular law as long as it doesn't require us to violate God's law. The difference in the question of whether or not a secular marriage license is required by God isn't the same thing as how we transfer title to land because there is no secular law that prohibits unmarried couples from having a sexual relationship.

Those who are claiming that this is just and excuse to "forget" the marriage when things go wrong are not understanding that the couple has still made a vow before God that God requires them to honor for life (with very few exceptions). Personally, when faced with violating a secular law or violating a vow I made to God, I'm far more fearful of violating the vow to God and the repercussions of that!
 
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Jesse said:
Why is it twisted logic? Over 50% of those holding a marriage license get divorced. It doesn't appear to cause a person to be any more responsible or accountable - at least over 50% of them.
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our marriage to god is well a marriage and how many fail god? im glad god doesn't view marriage that way.
 
Obadiah said:
However, we ARE required to follow secular law as long as it doesn't require us to violate God's law. The difference in the question of whether or not a secular marriage license is required by God isn't the same thing as how we transfer title to land because there is no secular law that prohibits unmarried couples from having a sexual relationship.

Those who are claiming that this is just and excuse to "forget" the marriage when things don't go wrong are not understanding that the couple has still made a vow before God that God requires them to honor for life (with very few exceptions). Personally, when faced with violating a secular or violating a vow I made to God, I'm far more fearful of violating the vow to God and the repercussions of that!
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uhm im honest. few Christians are that fearful. I have been close to just leaving my wife, sure god has kept me but since its mentioned the divorce isn't much lower amongst us. its not. so lets teach now that its just a paper?

remember that in the days of Hebrews of yore they recorded marriages its done with marriage contract that is in aramiac in the chuppa there is this part where the bride, the groom and the parents all take plates and shatter them. its to show how fragile your marriage is. you can break that plate but its not easily mended. this is to remind the couple of what divorce is.
 
Obadiah said:
OK. I can go with that if you can show me in scripture (chapter and verse) where God states we have to have our marriage recognized by the secular government before God considers it valid. Once again, let me emphasize I'm not trying to convince anyone that they shouldn't get the legal marriage done, just asking for actual scripture that states that this is required by God if we are going to claim God commanded it. If God commanded something, He will have stated so in scripture. It's not our place to make up rules and say they are commands of God.
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The point is, God's will was the man who takes a woman for himself obligates himself legally to that woman's welfare. That's not just lip service. He was required to do something to take on that legal obligation. How we do that today is we get a legal declaration of the intent to obligate ourselves to someone else. And the state enforces it. The legal obligation is required. How that's done is what is not specifically stated by God that I know of.
 
Obadiah said:
That you were not stating that it's ok to have sex outside of marriage, as Jethro seemed to be claiming that you were. I knew different but it's not my place to speak for you.
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He plainly said he does not think it necessary to get a marriage license to be married.
 
I can say that about any law. any law I don't fear speeding because of the po-po at times. I don't fear them for that. I don't follow work rules which can be tedious and annoying based on tom's reactions. its because I think of god. should we then not have government whom god said I appoint to give the sword to judge for me?
 
Jesse said:
Marriage is a holy union before God, two people as one, and one with God. Does it really take a license to prove this?
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and when joseph being a just man thought to put marry away privily.. an an angel of the lord appeared unto him saying fear not Joseph for thy child is of the Holy GHOST. when joseph and mary made their vows it done in the temple before GOD and Man. its recorded! and its done with the permission of the parents. that is the wine drinking I mentioned. note its recorded. that is why joseph considered putting mary away and not having her KILLED for adultery. he didn want to shame her parents.
 
jasonc said:
uhm im honest. few Christians are that fearful...
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And that's exactly why I think the legal part of marriage is a good idea. But it's not a question of how honest or dishonest the people are. That's between them and God and for God to judge. A good idea and a command of God are not always the same thing. That's why I asked where God commanded that we have a legally recognized secular document issued by a secular government before He will consider us as married. So far I see no scripture stating that, so I think I'll assume that probably no one is going to find one if they haven't found it by now.
 
Jesse said:
Why is it twisted logic? Over 50% of those holding a marriage license get divorced. It doesn't appear to cause a person to be any more responsible or accountable - at least over 50% of them.
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Wrong! The license ensures you will be responsible to the spouse you are separating from. Ask any person who has gone through a divorce if their marriage license meant nothing when it came time to sort out financial responsibilities with their spouse.
 
Obadiah said:
And that's exactly why I think the legal part of marriage is a good idea. But it's not a question of how honest or dishonest the people are. That's between them and God and for God to judge. A good idea and a command of God are not always the same thing. That's why I asked where God commanded that we have a legally recognized secular document issued by a secular government before He will consider us as married. So far I see no scripture stating that, so I think I'll assume that probably no one is going to find one if they haven't found it by now.
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see the ideas oral writings called the Mishnah which is what the Talmud is an addition to and the sandhedrin uses to base judgment of off. in it its there. that whole ceremony of marriage isn't in the bible, its in the Mishnah!
 
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