Pregnant woman fired for not marrying fiance

[jasonc]

I'm afraid I have to admit ignorance to a lot of the Jewish terms and traditions. You lost me in this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah
im sure its in the halaka. the modern jews have councils that decide this and aren't governmental but some it can be legal in that manner its calle beth din. its also where one goes to get a divorce. that is based on deutermony 24. a writ of divorce. why would I don't proclaim my marriage to others that is what a license does. need that?

 

[Jesse]

yeah buy a wife

People still do that...lol

 

[Jethro Bodine]

yeah buy a wife

Yes, and a marriage license is how a man legally 'buys' a wife today.

 

[Obadiah]

Can't you see, then, how much more a license DOES obligate you to the responsibilities of marriage--the obligation you are sure not getting married, but only getting married in heart and mind has? To not get married would be counter to the insistence that not getting married is just like getting married. You follow?

No, I don't follow. I'm afraid you've lost me in this riddle.

 

[jasonc]

Where does God say that it has to be legal through a government agency?

isreal was a theocracy. what is a that? the sandhedrin were the ones whom granted divorces later on. early on it was a writ of divorce. now I must go read up on what the chassidics teach on that. that will be in the Talmud on how they did that. I could be wrong but they had to implement what moses said and he didn't give much. just get a writ of divorce and not where to get it from and whom would give it.

 

[Kathi]

Where does the Bible say doing nothing constitutes marriage? I see where it says that is a sin.

I second that.

 

[Jesse]

Where does the Bible say doing nothing constitutes marriage? I see where it says that is a sin.

Commitment and copulation.

Then they got another wife....and this is a joke, of course.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Marriage is a holy union before God, two people as one, and one with God. Does it really take a license to prove this?

I see what you're saying and I'm partially supportive of the idea of keeping the government out of marriage. (Not entirely sure, as there are a few rights granted with that, though the specifics don't come to mind at the moment.) That said, I would consider living together without a marriage license to be guilty of the appearance of evil, if nothing else.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No, I'm afraid you've lost me.

If a license-less marriage has supposedly the same legal obligation attached to it as a licensed marriage does (as license-less married people want to insist), then how much more a licensed marriage surely does!

 

[Jesse]

I see what you're saying and I'm partially supportive of the idea of keeping the government out of marriage. (Not entirely sure, as there are a few rights granted with that, though the specifics don't come to mind at the moment.) That said, I would consider living together without a marriage license to be guilty of the appearance of evil, if nothing else.

Did you mean to say that you wouldn't live together or would live together?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Commitment and copulation.

Then they got another wife....and this is a joke, of coure.

A joke only if they got rid of any wives they had.

 

[Obadiah]

yeah buy a wife

 

[Jesse]

A joke only if they got rid of any wives they had.

I wonder why God allowed them to have so many wives.

 

[jasonc]

If a license-less marriage has supposedly the same legal obligation attached to it as a licensed marriage does (as license-less married people want to insist), then how much more a licensed marriage surely does!

ironic, when gay marriage and civil unions were first on the scene this very discussion was something I would tell others that we will have commitless civil unions and marriages even more so. I joke now that we will have non committal live in couples so that they wont have to share things or loose them if it doesn't work out. party a wont live with party b but just come by for a date and sex. don't want to loose that car, home. etc. yup im wondering when they will be.

Did you mean to say that you wouldn't live together or would live together?

jesse is talking about polygamy not adultery

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Commitment and copulation.

Then they got another wife....and this is a joke, of course.

Committed to copulating? That's still fornication.

You see your idea of marriage makes no recognizable distinction between simply fornicating and being married. The Bible does make that distinction. Paul talks about 'those who know the law' in regard to marriage. It went without saying that marriage was a legally recognized institution, not just a commitment to copulate with someone on a regular basis.

 

[jasonc]

I wonder why God allowed them to have so many wives.

stubborned of man. he allowed slavery as well. the bible doesn't damn slavery as a sin. yet by common sense no man ought to own another.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Did you mean to say that you wouldn't live together or would live together?

Neither, really. I just said that I do entertain the idea of the government leaving marriage alone and letting churches and religious institutions handle it. Some believe that government has no business with marriage anymore than government has with most things.

 

[reba]

The way this government has devalued marriage ..makes me wish some how a real church could form a " legal' marriage... that isnot sounding like it did in my head

 

[jasonc]

Committed to copulating? That's still fornication.

You see your idea of marriage makes no recognizable distinction between simply fornicating and being married. The Bible does make that distinction. Paul talks about 'those who know the law' in regard to marriage. It went without saying that marriage was a legally recognized institution, not just a commitment to copulate with someone on a regular basis.

in pauls day there was legal recongnition of marries by the state. roman law does do that. I have to find that in the roman law links I have read.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I wonder why God allowed them to have so many wives.

The all encompassing answer? It's symbolic of Christ and the many 'wives' he has in the many members of his bride.