AVBunyan said:
farley said:
AV, you've made some great points in your comments on other issues, but I see you (all) as jumping the tracks here.
I'm confused here - not sure what you mean. My position is that the sinner is saved by what Christ did at Calvary and this is settle for ever - nothing the saint can do to undo what God has done.
So, how am I jumping the tracks? All I said was that if Santa feels the same wya then good for him. I didn't think he believed in the eternal security of the believer. Stil not real sure.
Funny how the word "archaic" keeps coming up a lot :-? Is it possible that we just can't speak proper English anymore?
Later
I will say I am not a calvinist nor an arminianist both views have some truth but not the whole truth. I do believe in
1st Tim 2:3-4
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
As well as
1st Tim. 2:1
exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL men;
The whole issue is not "Getting Saved" The issue is being made into the image of God which is a process of time.
Salvation means being "saved." There are lots of things we are saved from, not the least of which are SIN and DEATH. A life of sin is not good. A death without sin is also not good. But a LIFE, without SIN, now that's good.
We find Scripturally that we HAVE BEEN saved, are BEING saved, and SHALL BE saved. There is a PROCESS, however, at the point of accepting Christ as our Lord and Saviour, we BEGIN to EXPERIENCE salvation. However, in God's mind it is as "good and done".
Salvation is a REST (like the Sabbath foreshadowed) from the works and frustrations of the flesh and the carnal mind. God has TAKEN OVER! Through faith, we believe all that God has said and promised. We are thus SAVED by His GRACE through the channel of FAITH (which He imparts to each and every believer), and we then become the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
Therefore this no longer an condemnation toward those IN Christ. We are not yet perfect, but we are viewed as perfect by God because He now views us through HIS SON, Jesus Christ Who WAS PERFECT.
In SPIRIT we have Christ and we have the Father IN US and thus are ONE SPIRIT! The flesh takes on a highly subordinate role. It is the temple of God's spirit, but the pulls of the flesh, and the lusts of the carnal mind are CRUCIFIED with Christ.
We are FREE! We are now part of the BODY of Christ. We ARE the SONS OF GOD (Rom. 15:16). The whole of creation is groaning and awaiting our full unveiling, "For the premonition of the creating is AWAITING THE UNVEILING OF THE SONS OF GOD" (Rom. 8:19).
Here is where we really get to what OUR salvation is all about. We, the BODY of Christ, who ARE the SONS OF GOD will be used to SAVE THE REST OF THE WORLD AND THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE!! "Or are you not aware that the SAINTS shall judge the WORLD?... Are you not aware that we shall be JUDGING ANGELS..."
In the bigger picture OUR salvation is used to BRING salvation to the rest of God's creation! That sure beats sitting on a cloud playing rock-n-roll gospel music on a harp.
God's spirit is saved in you. It belongs to him.
Your mind, will, and emotions are being saved. Or better put your Soul.
Your Body will be saved. It will put on incorruptability,Immortality.
Just a side issue:
Can you thwart Gods will?
11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Please: (Heb) Chaphets
to delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with
(Qal)
of men 1a
to take pleasure in, delight in 1a
to delight, desire, be pleased to do
of God 1a
to delight in, have pleasure in 1a
to be pleased to do
to move, bend down
(Qal) to bend down
1st Tim 2:4
4Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Will: (Gr.) Thelo.
to will, have in mind, intend
to be resolved or determined, to purpose
to desire, to wish
to love
to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
to take delight in, have pleasure
I don't think so.
Only people who think they have free will think they can.
