Proof Muhammad was a Pedophile

[Steve]

Trust me Steve, you don't want to know what it said.

And what is so wrong with word censor? Many here, including myself, don't care to read derogotary or blaphemous words. Plus there are young ones here that don't need to see that kind of language. It's here for our benefit...we use it...end of story.

Maybe a unmoderated Forum might be more your 'cup of tea'? :-? :wink:

Well, around here, there is plenty of 'gritty' language, so I am used to all of it. After all, I learned all the word in the Novitiate. :-D

 

[Steve]

Dear Brothers Quath and Cubedbee,
I thank you very much for your logical answers and your sincerity. I know that if the world are filled with people like you, the peace will overwhelmed on earth, which will make the Earth a heaven. But unfortunately, the Earth is not heaven, so the earth has people like Gary Bee and Hector. I believe if these persons are going to rule their nations, they would not do better than the Catholic Popes of the Medieval (DARK) Ages.


Au contraire. I find Gary AND Hector to be VERY WELL INFORMED and ERUDITE on the topic of Islam. It is a JOY to read their posts, cuz they tell it like it is, and they don't miss a beat. I wish MY memory was as good as theirs, cuz then you could add ME to the soup pot. :-D

 

[Gary]

: Thanks Vic and Steve.

 

[Brother]

Hector said:
"You are wrong about doll-playing only being mahrooh."
BUT:
“… Abu 'Ubaid, who said: We don't see there being any reason for that (permission to play with her dolls), except due to the fact that these toys are a source of amusement (lahw) for the children. So, if they were owned by adults, it would definitely have been detestable (makhrooh)â€Â

However, if you visit Islamic countries you will know that there are many adult girls using dolls and there is no Muslim tody would forbid his elder doughter to use it!

Whatever of answers I will give you, you will say it is not true. That is not because it is not true but because your subcouncious forcing you to be against Muhammad -salla Allah alaihe wa sallam- whoever is he! All that because he is refusing to associate the human bieng Jesus as a god beside God the Creator!

Hoever, it seems you did not (or do not want to read) this:

"However, according the Jewish holy Scripture, which is a rabbinical teaching, Talmud, pre-pubescent can be married but under the permission of he parents. Child abuse is by rape and not mirage. In the old days, to marry a little girl is not child abuse, it is only today (especially in the Western culture only) became condemn and that is without any biblical support. And day after day the western culture is changed, which in the past was allowed and normal became today forbidden and strange and vice versa and which is today allowed and normal will become forbidden and strange and vice versa. It seems that in the future the mentality of the Westerns will accept the homo-sexual mirage which is condemned by the Bible. And it is shocking when we hear that many churches today asking to allow that. Remember those who asks this dirty matter are priests and pastors who are dwelled by Holy Spirit! I do not know did holy Spirit commanded them to do that. I do not want to attack Christians here because I respect and love them. I just here giving these words for the fanatics.

Now, What about the most holy woman whom we Muslims and Christians revere her as the best woman on earth! Let me tell you that she married Joseph when she had 13 years old and Joseph was 90 years old. This is according to DSM-IV-TR a pedophilia. Would the fanatics agree on that!!! Let me tell the hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out others eye."

I was waiting your reply on this but what I found, is that you ignored it!!
Again and again I ask:
1) Did your Bible condemned a marrage with little girl?
2) Was not the merrage of Joseph and Mary a pedophilia?

Do you know that there are many athiests who are filled with hatred against Jesus, they called him not as pedophilic but as HOMOSEXUAL (or Sodomite) -they claim that he had a relationship with the most beloved disciple the hundsom one who was named John and who was laying at the arms of Jesus) and some others called him as adulterer who fell in love with his mistress Mary Magdalene (you can see the movie "Last Temptation") and the Jews believed him as B-A-S-T-A-R-D. So, similarly, you are going to label Muhammad in such things. It is a result of hatred!

 

[Gary]

Brother: "...you are going to label Muhammad in such things. It is a result of hatred!"

Gary: No, it is a result of studying YOUR Quran and Hadith.

Muhammad was a licentious man, a murderer, barbaric and unethical, a liar and a hypocrite. He was deceitful, inconsistent, immoral, lustful, a polygamist, an adulterer. He had slaves and concubines, a low regard for women. He encouraged wife beating.

Muhammad had little regard for the value of human life, especially those who opposed or exposed him. He instituted Jihad and called for the death of all who opposed him or Islam. Muhammad sent his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night using deceit and lies. He was an assassin.

He showed signs of physical, spiritual and mental derangement. He was delusional and even attempted suicide. His wife reported that he was bewitched.

Muhammad massacred his prisoners of war indiscriminately. He was a criminal and a mass murderer. Muhammad raided merchant caravans and stole their goods. He was a highway robber. Muhammad made and then broke treaties. He was dishonest.

Muhammad cursed people and preached hatred towards other human beings.

Muhammad captured human beings and sold them or asked for a payment of a ransom to release them. He was a slave merchant and a terrorist.

Muhammad was sex-mad. Muhammad, at the age of 53, became aroused by a 9-year-old child. He was a paedophile. Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.

Want the evidence? It is here.... all from Islamic sources!
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

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Brother: "Love your enemies" said my master Jesus

Gary: How is Jesus your master? How do you obey him? You are not asked to follow Jesus. As a Muslim, you are TOLD to use Muhammad as a role-model. Do you?

Jesus taught: "Love your enemies". Where did Muhammad teach this? Where is this teaching in the Quran?

If you cannot answer this..... IGNORE IT. That will be PROOF that Muhammad did NOT teach this.

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[Joeri]

whats wrong with being pedophile? girls used to marry at age 10 in jesus day.

 

[evanman]

whats wrong with being pedophile? girls used to marry at age 10 in jesus day.

So you would have intercourse with a child?

 

[Quath]

whats wrong with being pedophile? girls used to marry at age 10 in jesus day.

Yeah but so was slavery.

Quath

 

[Blazin Bones]

Pedaphilia is a sick thing, and definetly a sin.

 

[Joeri]

whats wrong with being pedophile? girls used to marry at age 10 in jesus day.

So you would have intercourse with a child?

for as long as i am a child myself. i do not want to do anything if it is a desire of flesh (as long as you define flesh as paul does) , i want to live in spirit. nothing is wrong in spirit.
if i had lived ages ago and it was good to marry young children, id be a liar and so would evry1 else here, if i said i wouldnt have intercourse.
maybe sad, but reality is hard.
do you hate me now?

 

[Joeri]

whats wrong with being pedophile? girls used to marry at age 10 in jesus day.

Yeah but so was slavery.

Quath

As long as God does not seem to have a problem with any of those, what gives me the right to have a problem with them? again, if i lived ages ago and was wealthy i would have slaves. In fact we are all the Slaves and personal property of the Lord. And what a great destiny that is!!!! My pastor says it does not matter to be a slave as long as you have a good master. i agree.

 

[Joeri]

Pedaphilia is a sick thing, and definetly a sin.

and which bibleverses support your claim?

 

[evanman]

I cannot believe that we are having a debate on the validity of having sex with children!

This is opening the doors to unnatural practices!

 

[Quath]

As long as God does not seem to have a problem with any of those, what gives me the right to have a problem with them? again, if i lived ages ago and was wealthy i would have slaves. In fact we are all the Slaves and personal property of the Lord. And what a great destiny that is!!!! My pastor says it does not matter to be a slave as long as you have a good master. i agree.

Matthew 7:12 - "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

So are you saying you would want to be a slave? Remember, the Bible says that you may be beated by your master so long as you do not die 2 days later of the beating.

Quath

 

[Joeri]

As long as God does not seem to have a problem with any of those, what gives me the right to have a problem with them? again, if i lived ages ago and was wealthy i would have slaves. In fact we are all the Slaves and personal property of the Lord. And what a great destiny that is!!!! My pastor says it does not matter to be a slave as long as you have a good master. i agree.

Matthew 7:12 - "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

So are you saying you would want to be a slave? Remember, the Bible says that you may be beated by your master so long as you do not die 2 days later of the beating.

Quath

everyone should serve everyone else

 

[Joeri]

I cannot believe that we are having a debate on the validity of having sex with children!

This is opening the doors to unnatural practices!

there are peopl aged 21 going with woman 40 yrs older. when stops it being ok in your eyes? and if children have sex with other children?

 

[Quath]

everyone should serve everyone else

But would you want to be an "official" physical slave? Would you want the have the rights (or lack of rights) of a slave in such a culture?

there are peopl aged 21 going with woman 40 yrs older. when stops it being ok in your eyes? and if children have sex with other children?

I can only talk from a secular point of view. Basically, people prize innocence. So they are more tolerant of innocence discovering reality together so noone is being taken advantage of.

In our culture, we try to get children to hold off on serious romance until they get financially stable. We want them to go to college, military, technical school, etc. If they are having sex, it could distract them from being scholastically driven.

Plus one problem with adults having sex with children is that the children have to keep it secret from everyone else. That causes incredible guilt to have to keep such a secret in our society. Plus children don't understand their bodies enough to figure out what is happening on a mature level. They feel how good it feels but also feel how intrusive and emotional it is at the same time. So it causes a lot of conflict within the child.

I have dated 3 women that had sex with adults when they were child. All three were dealing with depression and other mental problems. They could not handle the pressure of what was happening and instead disassociated themselves away from what happened. So to everyone who saw them, they were happy children. However, they blocked all the bad stuff away from their conscious mind.

Quath

 

[Blazin Bones]

Pedaphilia is a sick thing, and definetly a sin.

and which bibleverses support your claim?

Let's start simple for you. Jesus said give Caesar's what is Caesar's and then to obey your government because they are allowed to rule by God. Our government pedophila is against the law. Therefore it is a sin for anyone who commits the act, because they are not being obedient to the laws established by their government.

 

[Joeri]

But would you want to be an "official" physical slave? Would you want the have the rights (or lack of rights) of a slave in such a culture?

Only if God wants too. If that would be good for me, fine. but no, its not like i would have more pleasure in being a slave than a man of power.
hell its just how you interpret your question its difficult to ask.

I can only talk from a secular point of view. Basically, people prize innocence. So they are more tolerant of innocence discovering reality together so noone is being taken advantage of.

Im very innocent thats why i was so in spirit as a kid i didnt have to care about what 'deceent' adults think. :bday: :angel:

In our culture, we try to get children to hold off on serious romance until they get financially stable. We want them to go to college, military, technical school, etc. If they are having sex, it could distract them from being scholastically driven.

And i think for the most this is right. but not evry1 is the same.

Plus one problem with adults having sex with children is that the children have to keep it secret from everyone else. That causes incredible guilt to have to keep such a secret in our society.

the guilt is caused by the feeling that its wrong.

Plus children don't understand their bodies enough to figure out what is happening on a mature level. They feel how good it feels but also feel how intrusive and emotional it is at the same time. So it causes a lot of conflict within the child.

hahaha i sure did understand my body enough to know :P

I have dated 3 women that had sex with adults when they were child. All three were dealing with depression and other mental problems. They could not handle the pressure of what was happening and instead disassociated themselves away from what happened. So to everyone who saw them, they were happy children. However, they blocked all the bad stuff away from their conscious mind.

Quath

is the cause society or the males or both

 

[Joeri]

[quote="Brutus/HisCatalyst":f6510]Pedaphilia is a sick thing, and definetly a sin.

and which bibleverses support your claim?

Let's start simple for you. Jesus said give Caesar's what is Caesar's and then to obey your government because they are allowed to rule by God. Our government pedophila is against the law. Therefore it is a sin for anyone who commits the act, because they are not being obedient to the laws established by their government.[/quote:f6510]
That is something different altogether. btw not every authority god gives is recognised by men. i know of child-gangs who do every criminal thing you can imagine, yet in fact they are not at all criminal but gods playful judges. and oh they have a sweeeeet radiation :bday: Paul btw said to obey the government because it was better for the name of christ. not because its a sin not to obey every not enlightened government.