Proof Muhammad was a Pedophile

[evanman]

psalm 89 clearly states God has struck the throne of his anointed to the ground.

Where does it CLEARLY state that in Psalm 89. Even the verses you mentioned do not state it!

 

[Joeri]

psalm 89 clearly states God has struck the throne of his anointed to the ground.

Where does it CLEARLY state that in Psalm 89. Even the verses you mentioned do not state it!

verse 44:you cast his throne to the ground, how clear can it get. or do you mean that it doesnt say struck? the meaning is the same.

 

[evanman]

Thank you, as I said, I must have missed it.

We ask now, what does this referr to?

Did God humiliate His Son? NO!! What did happen? The Word humbled Himself and became flesh, lower than the angels, and submitted Himself to the Father.

 

[Joeri]

Thank you, as I said, I must have missed it.

We ask now, what does this referr to?

Did God humiliate His Son? NO!! What did happen? The Word humbled Himself and became flesh, lower than the angels, and submitted Himself to the Father.

yes but when? it didnt happen 2000 years ago. not everything the psalm says. it also says you have shortened the days of his youth. psalm 41, verse 4, says something like 'in his disease (in the disease of the captain of the army of God, jesus wud be the logical conclusion) you changed all of his army. what does this point at? to me no other conclusion than what the spirit tells:the cross is merely the beginning. no its time to fulfill matthew 25 and truly become as low as a human, even in the radiating effect he had 2000 yrs ago. dont understand me? ok, i have 2 choices. either get extremely annoyed that people think the cross is all, or be glad that they are so impressed by the cross cuz if that impresses them, the final truth will make them faint of admiration :bday:

 

[evanman]

:smt101 :smt101

 

[Joeri]

:smt101 :smt101

hmm yeah kinda like the pharisees said to jesus :D

 

[evanman]

Careful Joeri, I find nowhere emoticons existed in the time of Christ!

 

[Joeri]

Careful Joeri, I find nowhere emoticons existed in the time of Christ!

mocking did.

 

[evanman]

Careful Joeri, I find nowhere emoticons existed in the time of Christ!

mocking did.

hmm yeah kinda like the pharisees said to jesus icon_biggrin.gif

Are you mocking me?

 

[Joeri]

Careful Joeri, I find nowhere emoticons existed in the time of Christ!

mocking did.

hmm yeah kinda like the pharisees said to jesus icon_biggrin.gif

Are you mocking me?

no.

 

[evanman]

Do you believe that I am mocking you?

 

[Joeri]

Do you believe that I am mocking you?

at least the thing i said which those smileys were , i think, intended for?

 

[Qasim786]

Muhammed's Marriage to Aisha:-

http://www.muslim-answers.org/aishah.htm

Also Faithfreedom.com, exposing the lies of faithfreedom.org

 

[evanman]

Quite an interesting article.

It is true that many countries have differing views on the age when people are permitted to engage in marriage. Some even go as low as 12 years of age.

Cultural norms, as the author states, should not be the way we behave--rather what the scriptures teach.

So he wants it both ways. Mohammed's marriage should be viewed in the context of the culture of the day. It should not be judged in the light of Biblical rules! Seems to me that Mohammed was not following God's ideas, but his own.

I feel sure that most Moslem fathers would be horrified at the suggestion that a fifty year old man should marry their nine year old daughter.

 

[Qasim786]

It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry. The evidence shows that 'Aishah's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad was one which both parties and their families agreed upon. Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with it. On the contrary, they were all happy about it.
None of the Muslim sources report that anyone from the society at that time criticized this marriage due to 'Aishah's young age. On the contrary, the marriage of 'Aishah to the Prophet was encouraged by 'Aishah's father, Abu Bakr, and was welcomed by the community at large. It is reported that women who wanted to help the Prophet , such as Khawlah bint al-Hakeem, encouraged him to marry the young 'Aishah. Due to the Semitic culture in which they lived, they certainly saw nothing wrong with such a marriage.

 

[Gary]

Muhammad a role model?

Muhammad claimed to be a role model.

• "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)..." (Sura 3:31).
  
  "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).
  
  "I leave with you two things. If you hold fast by them both, you will never be misguided - the Book of Allah and Sunnah of the Prophet."

Now answer this question Qasim... will YOU marry a 6 year old CHILD when you are 53? Will you have sex with her when she is only 9?

If not, then you do NOT consider Muhammad to be role model.

:roll:

 

[Gary]

Forced marriage... forced sex (also know as RAPE)

It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry.

Gary: Hogwash. Muhammad and his men raped women while their husbands were still alive!

Rape of the captives taken in Jihad

The Hadith are there.... for all to see and be disgusted about. History shows that Muslims have followed this disgusting tradition of raping captured women. Muhammad did it. His followers did it. You cannot escape it... it is even recorded in your own "authentic" Hadith.

• "... Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. "

The women's HUSBANDS were still alive!! And these thugs wanted to RAPE them. Muhammad allowed it. He is sick and warped.

:o

Now to expose the lies of Qasim, why did he not quote the commentary of Yusuf Ali (#537) in which he says:

• "Whom you right hand possess - i.e. captives in a JIHAD or war under the orders of the righteous Imam against those who persecute faith. In such cases formal hostility dissolves civil rights. Yusuf Ali - #537

ABSOLUTELY. These thugs RAPED the women WHILE their husbands were still there! THAT is totally against any reasonable civil rights.

IF you disagree Qasim, why not put yourself in the WOMAN'S position? Their tribe is overrun by Muhammad's thugs and while their husbands are still alive, the thugs rape them but debate whether to perform AL AZL (i.e. INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE - COITUS INTERRUPTUS).

How sick and warped!

:o

 

[Qasim786]

Now answer this question Qasim... will YOU marry a 6 year old CHILD when you are 53? Will you have sex with her when she is only 9?

Same old twisted arguments...
Read the link i posted, you dont seem to have understood the purpose of the marriage, it was happily agreed by both parties, and Abu Bakr 'hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between himself and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage.'

You also must understand that what was very normal 1400 years ago, may not be seen as normal today, as our cultures are totally different.

"... Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. "

They were not raped, nor forced to have sex. One may ask where are you reading from. It does not say they were forced, or raped, you are inferring. Read this article, it will help you understand The Prophet's Marriage to Aisha.

http://www.muslim-answers.org/aishah.htm


Consider some of this.

The portion of the Bible that we want to look at begins with the Book of Numbers, Chapter 31, verses 17 and 18. Here, Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children. The order continues with the following:



". . . kill every woman who has known man by lying with him,
but all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourselves."

One can only guess how the Israelites determined who the virgins were. Most probably, they did it based on age and maturity, assuming that all of the female "children" who had not reached puberty were virgins. Keep in mind that this was done, according to the Bible, on God's command to "Avenge the Israelites on the Midianites". Later, God gives Moses instructions on how to divide up the booty, "whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheeps or goats". Based on this command, "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known a man by lying with him" were divided up. This was done so that the Israelite soldiers could have these young girls "for themselves". I do not suspect that anyone reading this is either so naive or ignorant of King James English to not know what this means!


Moving along to another great example of Biblical morality, . . . in Deuteronomy 21:10-14 the Biblical "God of Love" gives the following command:


"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands and thoust has taken them captive, and seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and have a desire unto her, that though would have her to be thy wife, then though shalt bring her home to thine house . . . and after that you may go into her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if though have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go".

Jesus said
"Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

 

[Gary]

Would you marry a six year old CHILD and have SEX with her when she is 9?

Gary: Now answer this question Qasim... will YOU marry a 6 year old CHILD when you are 53? Will you have sex with her when she is only 9?

Qasim: Same old twisted arguments... Read the link i posted, you dont seem to have understood the purpose of the marriage, it was happily agreed by both parties, and Abu Bakr 'hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between himself and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage.'

You also must understand that what was very normal 1400 years ago, may not be seen as normal today, as our cultures are totally different.

Gary: So you agree that you would NOT follow Muhammad's example. GREAT!! You have higher morals than him.

You obviously also disagree with Muhammad when he claimed:

• "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)..." (Sura 3:31).
  
  "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).
  
  "I leave with you two things. If you hold fast by them both, you will never be misguided - the Book of Allah and Sunnah of the Prophet."

I am VERY glad that you do not follow his example!

:wink: :wink:

 

[Gary]

Rape

"... Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. "

Qasim: They were not raped, nor forced to have sex.

Gary: Muhammad and his thugs had attacked them, overun the tribe, killed many. Then Muhammad and his thugs take the women (while their husbands are still alive) and have a debate about HOW they should have sex with them!!!

Qasim, PLEASE start thinking. Consider the situation from the WOMEN's perspective. Their HUSBANDS are still alive. Do you HONESTLY think that the women wanted the thugs and their sexual advances?

The thugs discuss whether to perform AL AZL (i.e. INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE - COITUS INTERRUPTUS).

How sick!!
:o